****OFFICAL ALCS THREAD****

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Schilling talked a lot of smack for someone with a bad ankle.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

If Schilling is healthy, he starts 3 games in the series and gives you a very good chance to win every game. Everybody but you Yankee fans is willing to acknowledge this.

And this is besides the point that this IS NOT the whole reason. You apprently skipped the rest of my post. Was it that hard to understand? Let me break it down:

Lieber dominated the Sox. That is one game right there. That is not an excuse, that is a reason. He dominated us, pure and simple.
There was one quality start in the series, and this was it. It just so happens that, on the same day, the Red Sox may as well have left their bats in the dugout. They scored more runs in the other two games, but the pitching was terrible in those two.

And what the hell is with the negativity there? Jesus.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: RedPickle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Schilling talked a lot of smack for someone with a bad ankle.

Agreed. He shouldn't have started in the condition he was in.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: gshock888

Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

After all these years, why can't they admit that NY is the better team? or at least admit the curse?

Because the majority of the nation thought that Boston was the better team entering the series.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
And what the hell is with the negativity there? Jesus.

Can't say I understand it, either.

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: RedPickle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Schilling talked a lot of smack for someone with a bad ankle.

Agreed. He shouldn't have started in the condition he was in.

I respected Schilling a lot but he has absorbed that Boston mentality and now thinks he is better than everyone else. He used to be a much more humble pitcher, but now he has to back up everything he says and he didn't do it.

 

[m2kewl]

O M G ! ! !

this is the post season i live for! yankees showing up when it counted. i've got my yankees broom set for the next game!

GO YANKEES!!!

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: gshock888

Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

After all these years, why can't they admit that NY is the better team? or at least admit the curse?

Because the majority of the nation thought that Boston was the better team entering the series.

From Page 2 ESPN:

GUS: I polled 10 non-Boston or New York fans in the ESPN newsroom and asked them two questions. Which is the better team, Boston or New York? And if you are betting your next six months of pay on the ALCS, who do you take? 7 of 10 said Boston was a better team. 9 of 10 said they'd bet on New York. What do you make of that?

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: RedPickle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: gshock888

Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

After all these years, why can't they admit that NY is the better team? or at least admit the curse?

Because the majority of the nation thought that Boston was the better team entering the series.

From Page 2 ESPN:

GUS: I polled 10 non-Boston or New York fans in the ESPN newsroom and asked them two questions. Which is the better team, Boston or New York? And if you are betting your next six months of pay on the ALCS, who do you take? 7 of 10 said Boston was a better team. 9 of 10 said they'd bet on New York. What do you make of that?

7 of 10 said that Boston was the better team; that's my point, and that goes directly against what the op said.

 

[gshock888]

negativity?
where do you sense negativity in the sentence "go yanks"

(unless ur bosox fan)

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: RedPickle

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: gshock888

Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

After all these years, why can't they admit that NY is the better team? or at least admit the curse?

Because the majority of the nation thought that Boston was the better team entering the series.

From Page 2 ESPN:

GUS: I polled 10 non-Boston or New York fans in the ESPN newsroom and asked them two questions. Which is the better team, Boston or New York? And if you are betting your next six months of pay on the ALCS, who do you take? 7 of 10 said Boston was a better team. 9 of 10 said they'd bet on New York. What do you make of that?

7 of 10 said that Boston was the better team; that's my point, and that goes directly against what the op said.

Sorry wasn't trying to say anything about the OP, just making another point.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: gshock888
negativity?
where do you sense negativity in the sentence "go yanks"

(unless ur bosox fan)

Being told to essentially shove something up my ass and to shut the fvck up is what I call negativity. Next question.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: dethman

Originally posted by: Shlong
Matsui, the redsox killer.

gotta repost this one.

Originally posted by: gshock888

d) Matsui is god

yes - tonight he was!!

 

[gshock888]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: gshock888
negativity?
where do you sense negativity in the sentence "go yanks"

(unless ur bosox fan)

Being told to essentially shove something up my ass and to shut the fvck up is what I call negativity. Next question.

i didnt say that! :laugh:
but it doesnt mean i dont agree with it

(many sore losers up north)

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

If Schilling is healthy, he starts 3 games in the series and gives you a very good chance to win every game. Everybody but you Yankee fans is willing to acknowledge this.

And this is besides the point that this IS NOT the whole reason. You apprently skipped the rest of my post. Was it that hard to understand? Let me break it down:

Lieber dominated the Sox. That is one game right there. That is not an excuse, that is a reason. He dominated us, pure and simple.
There was one quality start in the series, and this was it. It just so happens that, on the same day, the Red Sox may as well have left their bats in the dugout. They scored more runs in the other two games, but the pitching was terrible in those two.

And what the hell is with the negativity there? Jesus.

Actually, Mussina pretty much dominated the Sox as well. Perfect game through 6+ and all. Yeah he was tiring a bit at the end but the bullpen made it look a whole lot worse. Schilling, even if healthy, on short rest for all those games and considering his so-so ERA against the Yankees this year, doesn't guarantee you three wins either. One other thing, how is injury not a part of baseball, or every other sport for that matter? El Duque was dominating down the stretch and our most consistent starter in the second half, but he suddenly came down with a case of tired/sore arm. Well, Yankee fans shook their heads and we went with what we had. Granted Schilling is quite a bit more important to the Sox than Duque is to the Yanks, but it's still a valid comparison. Biggest factor so far in this ALCS is simple - the Sox offense didn't show up until it was too late and the Yankee offense did what needed to be done. Pedro pitched well enough to win Game 2, but the Sox offense laid down and died. Yes, Lieber had something to do with it but some Sox players were in a funk as well, in particular Damon (who just looked lost). No leadoff man on base = stagnant offense.

EDIT: As a Yankee fan, I'll admit that I was worried about Schilling, and about him in tandem with Pedro. Yankees having to face 4 starts from that pair did look daunting. Rest of the nation favored the Sox for the same reason. But I also thought Mussina, Lieber and Brown had enough to keep it close and give the Yankee hitters a chance. That's probably where the rest of the nation did not agree.

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: geecee

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

If Schilling is healthy, he starts 3 games in the series and gives you a very good chance to win every game. Everybody but you Yankee fans is willing to acknowledge this.

And this is besides the point that this IS NOT the whole reason. You apprently skipped the rest of my post. Was it that hard to understand? Let me break it down:

Lieber dominated the Sox. That is one game right there. That is not an excuse, that is a reason. He dominated us, pure and simple.
There was one quality start in the series, and this was it. It just so happens that, on the same day, the Red Sox may as well have left their bats in the dugout. They scored more runs in the other two games, but the pitching was terrible in those two.

And what the hell is with the negativity there? Jesus.

Actually, Mussina pretty much dominated the Sox as well. Perfect game through 6+ and all. Yeah he was tiring a bit at the end but the bullpen made it look a whole lot worse. Schilling, even if healthy, on short rest for all those games and considering his so-so ERA against the Yankees this year, doesn't guarantee you three wins either. One other thing, how is injury not a part of baseball, or every other sport for that matter? El Duque was dominating down the stretch and our most consistent starter in the second half, but he suddenly came down with a case of tired/sore arm. Well, Yankee fans shook their heads and we went with what we had. Granted Schilling is quite a bit more important to the Sox than Duque is to the Yanks, but it's still a valid comparison. Biggest factor so far in this ALCS is simple - the Sox offense didn't show up until it was too late and the Yankee offense did what needed to be done. Pedro pitched well enough to win Game 2, but the Sox offense laid down and died. Yes, Lieber had something to do with it but some Sox players were in a funk as well, in particular Damon (who just looked lost). No leadoff man on base = stagnant offense.

Most important stat:

Johnny Damon + Mark Bellhorn = 2 for 25 with 11 Ks.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: gshock888

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: gshock888
negativity?
where do you sense negativity in the sentence "go yanks"

(unless ur bosox fan)

Being told to essentially shove something up my ass and to shut the fvck up is what I call negativity. Next question.

i didnt say that! :laugh:
but it doesnt mean i dont agree with it

(many sore losers up north)

Then that wasn't directed at you.

Actually, Mussina pretty much dominated the Sox as well. Perfect game through 6+ and all. Yeah he was tiring a bit at the end but the bullpen made it look a whole lot worse. Schilling, even if healthy, on short rest for all those games and considering his so-so ERA against the Yankees this year, doesn't guarantee you three wins either. One other thing, how is injury not a part of baseball, or every other sport for that matter? El Duque was dominating down the stretch and our most consistent starter in the second half, but he suddenly came down with a case of tired/sore arm. Well, Yankee fans shook their heads and we went with what we had. Granted Schilling is quite a bit more important to the Sox than Duque is to the Yanks, but it's still a valid comparison. Biggest factor so far in this ALCS is simple - the Sox offense didn't show up until it was too late and the Yankee offense did what needed to be done. Pedro pitched well enough to win Game 2, but the Sox offense laid down and died. Yes, Lieber had something to do with it but some Sox players were in a funk as well, in particular Damon (who just looked lost). No leadoff man on base = stagnant offense.

Mussina dominated the Sox but the Yankees still gave up 7 runs, and you can't say they wouldn't have just because Schilling pitches well. Schilling makes a big difference in any playoff series, and he has proven this in the past (you should know ).

Injury is a part of baseball, but that DOES NOT mean that it wasn't a reason for the loss in the series (I don't understand your logic here 0.o). Hernandez' absence hasn't been a factor so far, and I feel confident that the Sox will win tomorrow against him as they had him figured out in his last start against them.

As for the second half of the paragraph, you essentially repeated what I said.

 

[Doggiedog]

Negativity?

You Sox fans are the ones that started all this crap.

Go through all the Go Sawx threads and you'll see. In fact, I'm sure we can find a bunch of trash talking by you if I had the inclination to do so.

Also, go through all the sports articles on the Sox vs. Yanks this year. All I read is negativity from the Boston fan/reporters. I read sports articles all the time and all the articles from the NY tabloids including the News and the Post give Boston their due and don't disparage them like you guys do the Yanks.

Al'ls fair in love and war I say.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Negativity?

You Sox fans are the ones that started all this crap.

Go through all the Go Sawx threads and you'll see. In fact, I'm sure we can find a bunch of trash talking by you if I had the inclination to do so.

Also, go through all the sports articles on the Sox vs. Yanks this year. All I read is negativity from the Boston fan/reporters. I read sports articles all the time and all the articles from the NY tabloids including the News and the Post give Boston their due and don't disparage them like you guys do the Yanks.

Al'ls fair in love and war I say.

I didn't start shit, alright? And to have people telling me to shove words up my ass pisses me off. I did nothing to deserve that kind of fvcking bullshit. I understand that there are abusive people on both sides, but I try my best to not be one of those people, but I guess that doesn't matter, does it?

Edit-Took all my self control not to incorporate the words "Listen here, bitch" in that sentence ... It seemed to fit so well.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Mussina dominated the Sox but the Yankees still gave up 7 runs, and you can't say they wouldn't have just because Schilling pitches well. Schilling makes a big difference in any playoff series, and he has proven this in the past (you should know ).

Injury is a part of baseball, but that DOES NOT mean that it wasn't a reason for the loss in the series (I don't understand your logic here 0.o). Hernandez' absence hasn't been a factor so far, and I feel confident that the Sox will win tomorrow against him as they had him figured out in his last start against them.

As for the second half of the paragraph, you essentially repeated what I said.

There are a lot of what ifs for game 1. What if Schilling pitches well? What if the Yanks don't have a 6 run lead and go to someone better in their pen than Sturtze? Hindsight is always 20/20. El Duque doesn't matter, but his status might've mattered had Mussina and Lieber not come up with big games.

My injury statement was in response to you saying that Schilling's ankle is a reason for the early end of the series. As such, I was pointing out that injuries are part of the game.

My last statement put the blame on the Sox offense entirely. Not a lack of timing in good hitting coinciding with good pitching. As someone pointed out, your 1-2 hitters were horrendous. You can't win games when your top of the order becomes gimme outs. The Sox were in both games 1 & 2 but their offense just didn't do the job when it mattered (tonight's game was a blowout admittedly). The Yankees' did.

 

[ThePresence]

As far as Schilling goes, he had no business attempting to pitch a postseason game with an ankle that needs surgery. I don't care how gutty and gritty someone is, this is the POSTSEASON. You don't let your team down like that.
That said, yes, injuries are part of the game, but the Yankee bullpen melted down and the Yankees would never have won that game had Schilling been healthy.
As far as Boston's lack of hitting, I really can't understand how such a lineup all go into a hitting slump at the same time. Does not make sense. Therefore I have to credit the Yankee pitching.

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
Negativity?

You Sox fans are the ones that started all this crap.

Go through all the Go Sawx threads and you'll see. In fact, I'm sure we can find a bunch of trash talking by you if I had the inclination to do so.

Also, go through all the sports articles on the Sox vs. Yanks this year. All I read is negativity from the Boston fan/reporters. I read sports articles all the time and all the articles from the NY tabloids including the News and the Post give Boston their due and don't disparage them like you guys do the Yanks.

Al'ls fair in love and war I say.

I didn't start shit, alright? And to have people telling me to shove words up my ass pisses me off. I did nothing to deserve that kind of fvcking bullshit. I understand that there are abusive people on both sides, but I try my best to not be one of those people, but I guess that doesn't matter, does it?

Edit-Took all my self control not to incorporate the words "Listen here, bitch" in that sentence ... It seemed to fit so well.

Hey don't piss off NYHoustonman, he is as honest and fair a Red Sox fan as you can find. NYHoustonman, pay no attention. Have a :beer: and forget about tonight's sorrows.

 

[Axon]

I never worry about the Red Sox. They can't beat the Yanks. It isn't possible.

The teams are virtually equivalent in terms of offense, and I would give the edge to the Yanks in that category. The Yanks have a better bullpen. Boston has an up because of their ace starter, but that's it. Defensively, the teams are, again, virtually identical.

Being objective, I'd give the edge to the Yankees. They've got too many guys that are 5 tool threats. Manny getting thrown out at third tonight articulates the difference between the two teams.

 

[wkabel23]

Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

 

[JonnyStarks]

up yours yankees.... i love how the boston fans shoved that first homem run in sheefields face