Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
I know exactly what I'm talking about; most people figured them as the favorites. Hell, on Baseball Tonight they all agreed as such. The spread amongst my friends was about 50-50, but if you really think the Angels weren't contenders this year, then I don't know what you were comparing them to. Same answer to you, Jaydee. Add to that that Schilling is one of the bigger workhorses in the league, 80 pitches wouldn't likely have been near his limit.
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: mattlear
Originally posted by: Axon
But Bernie would have never made that mistake on the bases. That's a fundamental, little-league level mistake, irregardless of how close the play was. (He was out, by the way.) When you're down runs and your core bats are coming up, don't make a play like that. Brown would have been under enough pressure in that scenario and it would have been a great opportunity to steal. Also, you know your guys are more than capable of a deep base hit to bring you in.
Dude, I'm a yankees fan, and I have to admit that Bernie is a TERRIBLE base runner. Anyone who has watched the yankees knows this. It's like he gets "deer in headlights" out there on the basepaths.
Of course, I'm not saying Manny is any better. In fact, I don't want to kill him for trying for third. The only thing I think that was bad was that people know sheffield has a really good arm in right. Also, after watching the replay (only once or twice), I think Manny beat the tag.
Speaking of Manny, I've never really been enamored by him. He's a great hitter, power and average, but he doesn't really wow me. As an outfielder, I think he is BELOW average, as it looks like he doesn't really hustle nor posesses a strong arm.
Interesting article in today's NY Daily News about Pedro's "mango tree" speech being a calculated plea to George to go after him in the off-season.
As far as Schilling getting hurt and costing the sox this series... I think that yeah, it did hurt them. Oh well, injuries are part of the game. No one felt bad for NY when Brown's back got messed up this year, and he went from a very good pitcher to mediocre. Also, the fact that Boston put up 7 runs in the first game means nothing to me. I think if the game were closer at that point (8-0 at the time), Torre would have gotten someone else up in the bullpen WAY earlier than he did. He left Mussina in because the game was 8-0 at that point, and he was pitching a perfect game. If anytyhing, I think the big lead contributed to the Sox getting back into it, because Torre wasn't as aggressive with the bullpen. I mean, if Mussina can pitch his way out of the 7th with an 8-0 lead, then Torre saves the bullpen from work, which he may need if Lieber falters in Game 2. If the game is closer, I think Torre goes to the bullpen much earlier, and maybe Gordon and Rivera come in (Not that Gordon has had a strong series... he has been pretty bad IMO).
Anyways, for all the talk about the RedSox lineup being better than the yankees, how do they compare when you match up hitters by place in the order? Jeter / Damon, A-Rod/Bellhorn, Manny / Sheffield, etc... might be interesting to get some discussion on this.
Lets hope we get the sweep tonight! Go Yanks!
Yep, Manny beat the tag, the announcers said it themselves.
Someone else mentioned Rivera against the Sox; As far as closer numbers go, the Sox hit him very well this year (4.22 ERA).
Damon>Jeter
Bellhorn<<ARod
Manny>Sheffield
Ortiz>Matsui
Varitek>Williams
Nixon=Posada
Millar>Sierra
Mueller>Olerud
Cabrera=Cairo (although if we only include his numbers while on the Sox Cabrera is better).
Originally posted by: jaydee
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
I know exactly what I'm talking about; most people figured them as the favorites. Hell, on Baseball Tonight they all agreed as such. The spread amongst my friends was about 50-50, but if you really think the Angels weren't contenders this year, then I don't know what you were comparing them to. Same answer to you, Jaydee. Add to that that Schilling is one of the bigger workhorses in the league, 80 pitches wouldn't likely have been near his limit.
Momentum is pretty much BS from regular season to postseason or series to series. It's been proven time and again.
Boston had their starters lined up in a row to start the divisional series while Anahiem didn't as they struggled in the final days to make the playoffs. Jared Washburn in game 1? No one worth their beans would have favored the Angels in that series. I don't care if they're on TV or not. This isn't to say they couldn't have won, but it would have clearly been an upset if they did.
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: jaydee
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
I know exactly what I'm talking about; most people figured them as the favorites. Hell, on Baseball Tonight they all agreed as such. The spread amongst my friends was about 50-50, but if you really think the Angels weren't contenders this year, then I don't know what you were comparing them to. Same answer to you, Jaydee. Add to that that Schilling is one of the bigger workhorses in the league, 80 pitches wouldn't likely have been near his limit.
Momentum is pretty much BS from regular season to postseason or series to series. It's been proven time and again.
Boston had their starters lined up in a row to start the divisional series while Anahiem didn't as they struggled in the final days to make the playoffs. Jared Washburn in game 1? No one worth their beans would have favored the Angels in that series. I don't care if they're on TV or not. This isn't to say they couldn't have won, but it would have clearly been an upset if they did.
That may have been your prespective on it; it was mine too. I didn't think anyone could beat our pitching at the time. But that doesn't mean that you or I are necessarily right; everywhere I looked pre-series the advantage was given to the Angels.
Originally posted by: Yossarian
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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Yossarian
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great commercial
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Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
I know exactly what I'm talking about; most people figured them as the favorites. Hell, on Baseball Tonight they all agreed as such. The spread amongst my friends was about 50-50, but if you really think the Angels weren't contenders this year, then I don't know what you were comparing them to. Same answer to you, Jaydee. Add to that that Schilling is one of the bigger workhorses in the league, 80 pitches wouldn't likely have been near his limit.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
The Angels, according to most analysts, were the favorites going into the series because, like the Sox now, they had the momentum going for them.
granted, i didn't do much more than read ESPN, but
what the fvck are you smoking?
I know exactly what I'm talking about; most people figured them as the favorites. Hell, on Baseball Tonight they all agreed as such. The spread amongst my friends was about 50-50, but if you really think the Angels weren't contenders this year, then I don't know what you were comparing them to. Same answer to you, Jaydee. Add to that that Schilling is one of the bigger workhorses in the league, 80 pitches wouldn't likely have been near his limit.
yeah, 11 of 17 for the red sox sure is everyong picking the angels!
peter gammons of baseball tonight really picked those angels good!
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
yeah, 11 of 17 for the red sox sure is everyong picking the angels!
peter gammons of baseball tonight really picked those angels good!
They did one of those "fact or fiction" dealies on the subject and all the guys, including Harold Reynolds, chose the Angels over the Red Sox (althouth they all did mention that it was a close matchup-this is key, because half of you seem to think the Angels didn't stand a chance). It was basically the same thing on two other message boards I frequent (ESPN and Showdowncards.com).
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
yeah, 11 of 17 for the red sox sure is everyong picking the angels!
peter gammons of baseball tonight really picked those angels good!
They did one of those "fact or fiction" dealies on the subject and all the guys, including Harold Reynolds, chose the Angels over the Red Sox (althouth they all did mention that it was a close matchup-this is key, because half of you seem to think the Angels didn't stand a chance). It was basically the same thing on two other message boards I frequent (ESPN and Showdowncards.com).
i gave you a link to ESPN disproving you and you're still arguing? you must spend too much time in p&n or something
Originally posted by: Storm
I am certainly not confident in Sturtze...
Originally posted by: Storm
I am certainly not confident in Sturtze...
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Jesus, what in god's name is Francona doing? I didn't like the move to take out Lowe, who wasn't doing that bad, and now he's bringing in the closer in the 7th .
Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Jesus, what in god's name is Francona doing? I didn't like the move to take out Lowe, who wasn't doing that bad, and now he's bringing in the closer in the 7th .