****OFFICAL ALCS THREAD****

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

Don't group all Yankee fans as Aholes and fair-weather fans. We are not all like that. Every team has it's idiot fans.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

You must be smoking a crack pipe.
Boston Redsox fans are one of the worst. NYHoustanfan is a good sox fan but you should have seen

Lager, SPeedDemon, Boston Red and several others.

 

[pmoa]

drank my sorrows away....RIP 2004 Red Sox

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

honestly, most sox fans i know pretty fanatical and most yanks fans i know are mostly 'yeah they'll probably win' and care much less. in my opinion, the sox fans are much more obnoxious because they just keep talking about it (bostonredsox on this board for example). it may appear to you yankees fans are more because they are obligated to rub it in your face each year. *shrugs*.

in any case i'm rooting for the cards so i couldn't care less either way. but it is still fun/funny to see the hopeless sox fans in here.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

Wow, you really deserve your nick. Yes, one pitcher CAN lose a whole series. When the 5th starter (Lowe/Wakefield) can no longer take the role of long relief it hurts. I believe Omar (sp?) threw 90+ pitches this last game. Boston didn't have that luxery. ThePresence hit the nail on the head with his comments about Schilling.

As far as Schilling goes, he had no business attempting to pitch a postseason game with an ankle that needs surgery. I don't care how gutty and gritty someone is, this is the POSTSEASON. You don't let your team down like that.

I agree and am a bit upset that he screwed up a very valuable spot in the postseason. If Mendoza hadn't been added to the bullpen after the Angels it would be worse. Leskanic just isn't good enough, still surprised he's on the roster. As well, much of the credit has to go to NY's pitching. Ortiz has been hitting everything, Nixon and Tek' doing solid, but Damon, Bellhorn, and Millar have dropped bad.

So "RagingBITCH" please STFU, quit being an annoying asshat with no idea of sports and the effect of injury, (Brown's a MUCH better pitcher than he showed) and leave people with something interesting to say alone.

(ThePresence and RedPickle can jab my :brokenheart: all they wish, Boston's got spanked)

still have game 4......

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

As a mets fan thats lived in NY and Boston, red sox fans are much worse, much much worse.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: Axon
I never worry about the Red Sox. They can't beat the Yanks. It isn't possible.

The teams are virtually equivalent in terms of offense, and I would give the edge to the Yanks in that category. The Yanks have a better bullpen. Boston has an up because of their ace starter, but that's it. Defensively, the teams are, again, virtually identical.

Being objective, I'd give the edge to the Yankees. They've got too many guys that are 5 tool threats. Manny getting thrown out at third tonight articulates the difference between the two teams.

How does that show the difference between the teams? First, I doubt he was even out. Second, it was one helluva throw from right to even make it a play. Boston could have sat back and left Manny on 2nd with 2 outs in a slow offense, but they tried to take the offensive for the first time in the series.

Offensively Boston wins regular season, Yankees win in the playoffs. Manny doesn't come alive then and there are freaks like Bernie Williams who just thrive on pressure. Is Bernie better than Manny? NO. Does he play better team ball in the playoffs? YES

Boston has 2 aces, the better of which started game 2. The Yankees have Gordon for setup(no Boston equal) and Rivera is great but has had problems against Boston whose Foulke is still very solid. With Mendoza, Timlin, Embree, and Williamson (when healthy) the Soxs have plenty of solid depth for relief. Defensively they're very much alike, almost uncanny.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

Wow, you really deserve your nick. Yes, one pitcher CAN lose a whole series. When the 5th starter (Lowe/Wakefield) can no longer take the role of long relief it hurts. I believe Omar (sp?) threw 90+ pitches this last game. Boston didn't have that luxery. ThePresence hit the nail on the head with his comments about Schilling.

As far as Schilling goes, he had no business attempting to pitch a postseason game with an ankle that needs surgery. I don't care how gutty and gritty someone is, this is the POSTSEASON. You don't let your team down like that.

I agree and am a bit upset that he screwed up a very valuable spot in the postseason. If Mendoza hadn't been added to the bullpen after the Angels it would be worse. Leskanic just isn't good enough, still surprised he's on the roster. As well, much of the credit has to go to NY's pitching. Ortiz has been hitting everything, Nixon and Tek' doing solid, but Damon, Bellhorn, and Millar have dropped bad.

So "RagingBITCH" please STFU, quit being an annoying asshat with no idea of sports and the effect of injury, (Brown's a MUCH better pitcher than he showed) and leave people with something interesting to say alone.

(ThePresence and RedPickle can jab my :brokenheart: all they wish, Boston's got spanked)

still have game 4......

hahahahaha, the excuses from the Red Sox fans. If this was the other way around, our roles would be vice versa. So don't act like I'm the asshat because I'm making fun of your precious Blowsox choking. I only hate on the Blowsox because their fans on this board *cough*BostonRedSox*cough* acts like a complete jackoff, ie, my equal now. I don't care if you don't like it.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

Don't group all Yankee fans as Aholes and fair-weather fans. We are not all like that. Every team has it's idiot fans.

I can understand fans born in NY or those who have followed them for a long time. I remember not long ago when everyone was a Braves fan around here. Now many have switched to the Yankees, always acting like they somehow had an effect on the team winning. Same thing happens to many sports, 49er's and Cowboys in the 90's NFL or the old Bulls team with Jordan. Have yet to see the Marlins bandwagon overflowing from last year...

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

Wow, you really deserve your nick. Yes, one pitcher CAN lose a whole series. When the 5th starter (Lowe/Wakefield) can no longer take the role of long relief it hurts. I believe Omar (sp?) threw 90+ pitches this last game. Boston didn't have that luxery. ThePresence hit the nail on the head with his comments about Schilling.

As far as Schilling goes, he had no business attempting to pitch a postseason game with an ankle that needs surgery. I don't care how gutty and gritty someone is, this is the POSTSEASON. You don't let your team down like that.

I agree and am a bit upset that he screwed up a very valuable spot in the postseason. If Mendoza hadn't been added to the bullpen after the Angels it would be worse. Leskanic just isn't good enough, still surprised he's on the roster. As well, much of the credit has to go to NY's pitching. Ortiz has been hitting everything, Nixon and Tek' doing solid, but Damon, Bellhorn, and Millar have dropped bad.

So "RagingBITCH" please STFU, quit being an annoying asshat with no idea of sports and the effect of injury, (Brown's a MUCH better pitcher than he showed) and leave people with something interesting to say alone.

(ThePresence and RedPickle can jab my :brokenheart: all they wish, Boston's got spanked)

still have game 4......

hahahahaha, the excuses from the Red Sox fans. If this was the other way around, our roles would be vice versa. So don't act like I'm the asshat because I'm making fun of your precious Blowsox choking. I only hate on the Blowsox because their fans on this board *cough*BostonRedSox*cough* acts like a complete jackoff, ie, my equal now. I don't care if you don't like it.

You're an asshat, you're a raging bitch, you're a lot of other things, but you are by far the worst baseball fan I've run in to so far on this website. People are trying to discuss things here and you come in and spout that bullshit, the same old bullshit I've been hearing all my life. You won, good job. But you signify why I oftentimes hate Yankee fans; You guys are the worst winners I know. If you were directing all that at somebody else I would understand. As it stands, stfu.
Thanks to the rest of you, even if you did misspell my name .

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: Axon
I never worry about the Red Sox. They can't beat the Yanks. It isn't possible.

The teams are virtually equivalent in terms of offense, and I would give the edge to the Yanks in that category. The Yanks have a better bullpen. Boston has an up because of their ace starter, but that's it. Defensively, the teams are, again, virtually identical.

Being objective, I'd give the edge to the Yankees. They've got too many guys that are 5 tool threats. Manny getting thrown out at third tonight articulates the difference between the two teams.

How does that show the difference between the teams? First, I doubt he was even out. Second, it was one helluva throw from right to even make it a play. Boston could have sat back and left Manny on 2nd with 2 outs in a slow offense, but they tried to take the offensive for the first time in the series.

Offensively Boston wins regular season, Yankees win in the playoffs. Manny doesn't come alive then and there are freaks like Bernie Williams who just thrive on pressure. Is Bernie better than Manny? NO. Does he play better team ball in the playoffs? YES

Boston has 2 aces, the better of which started game 2. The Yankees have Gordon for setup(no Boston equal) and Rivera is great but has had problems against Boston whose Foulke is still very solid. With Mendoza, Timlin, Embree, and Williamson (when healthy) the Soxs have plenty of solid depth for relief. Defensively they're very much alike, almost uncanny.

how was the Boston bullpen in game 3?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Brule

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
I'm gonna say it again; the reasons for the end of the series are a)Schiling's ankle (if you think this is just an excuse, you don't know baseball), b)Lieber's domination, and c)the fact that the offense and pitching couldn't show up on the same day. There are no excuses, just reasons, but you people have a tendency to turn everything into an excuse, or whining, or whatever.

Hahahahaahaha......go stuff it out your ass. One pitcher cannot lose the whole series. Not like he's even going to be able to pitch a game 5 anyway. Those are excuses, not reasons. Please stfu.

Boston = pwn3d

Wow, you really deserve your nick. Yes, one pitcher CAN lose a whole series. When the 5th starter (Lowe/Wakefield) can no longer take the role of long relief it hurts. I believe Omar (sp?) threw 90+ pitches this last game. Boston didn't have that luxery. ThePresence hit the nail on the head with his comments about Schilling.

As far as Schilling goes, he had no business attempting to pitch a postseason game with an ankle that needs surgery. I don't care how gutty and gritty someone is, this is the POSTSEASON. You don't let your team down like that.

I agree and am a bit upset that he screwed up a very valuable spot in the postseason. If Mendoza hadn't been added to the bullpen after the Angels it would be worse. Leskanic just isn't good enough, still surprised he's on the roster. As well, much of the credit has to go to NY's pitching. Ortiz has been hitting everything, Nixon and Tek' doing solid, but Damon, Bellhorn, and Millar have dropped bad.

So "RagingBITCH" please STFU, quit being an annoying asshat with no idea of sports and the effect of injury, (Brown's a MUCH better pitcher than he showed) and leave people with something interesting to say alone.

(ThePresence and RedPickle can jab my :brokenheart: all they wish, Boston's got spanked)

still have game 4......

hahahahaha, the excuses from the Red Sox fans. If this was the other way around, our roles would be vice versa. So don't act like I'm the asshat because I'm making fun of your precious Blowsox choking. I only hate on the Blowsox because their fans on this board *cough*BostonRedSox*cough* acts like a complete jackoff, ie, my equal now. I don't care if you don't like it.

You're an asshat, you're a raging bitch, you're a lot of other things, but you are by far the worst Yankees fan I've run in to so far on this website. People are trying to discuss things here and you come in and spout that bullshit, the same old bullshit I've been hearing all my life. You won, good job. But you signify why I oftentimes hate Yankee fans; You guys are the worst winners I know. If you were directing all that at somebody else I would understand. As it stands, just shut the fvck up.

Thanks to the rest of you, even if you did misspell my name .

I hate both teams, but I hate the Blowsox more. The Yankees can eat sh!t and die for all I care, but not before the Blowsox.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Then you're by far the worst baseball fan I've met here. Post edited.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: NYHoustonman
Then you're by far the worst baseball fan I've met here. Post edited.

Thanks Go Yankees!

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
hahahahaha, the excuses from the Red Sox fans. If this was the other way around, our roles would be vice versa. So don't act like I'm the asshat because I'm making fun of your precious Blowsox choking. I only hate on the Blowsox because their fans on this board *cough*BostonRedSox*cough* acts like a complete jackoff, ie, my equal now. I don't care if you don't like it.

What excuse did I use you annoying twit? No, I wouldn't be an arrogant little woman if Boston was winning 3-0, I'd be insanely happy that they were most likely going to the World Series. If I took your attitude I'd be running down all Yankee fans because one once said something I didn't like. So to the point, yes you are the jerk for using your elite speak and flamebait jabs when replying to someone who's discussing the situation calmly. I have the feeling you're the person back in high school rooting for the visiting team to win to make up for your lack of self-esteem.

This is as pointless as argueing who had the better fans.... why did I go for the bait?

 

[raildogg]

Curt Schilling said before game 1 that he wanted to shut up the Yankee fans or something similar. Well we know what actually happened

Whose the underdog now?

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: raildogg

how was the Boston bullpen in game 3?

Well they show the games on TV now, I'd suggest you tune in and find out for yourself. When both pitchers leave after 3 innings and one team has a starter to put in and the other doesn't, it is hard. How was the Yankee bullpen when a 3-run walkoff HR won the game with the best closer in baseball pitching in July? Must of been bad, yet Rivera is still great no matter 1 game. (maybe of all-time)

Boston's pen took on the best many times this year and won. They outlasted the Angel's crazy set of relievers. Sturtze and Gordon almost gave up game 1. Foulke has been solid when he's played. Wakefield (a starter) and Leskanic (a AAA callup) gave up the key runs in game 1 and the 5 run inning tonight, which fueled the Yankees even more and crushed Boston's hope for a comeback.

BTW, Arroyo had the worst control in 2 months. He looked like he was never comfortable and looked confused in his outing. He's got talent (like Contrearas) but just sucks it up at times. Young pitchers and the postseason just don't mix.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Curt Schilling said before game 1 that he wanted to shut up the Yankee fans or something similar. Well we know what actually happened

Whose the underdog now?

The Expos?

 

[cliftonite]

Matsui's # against Derek Lowe:
12 for 22
.545 BA
1.314 OPS

 

[kenshorin]

There are no excuses. The Sox have played horribly all series, especially on offense.

Doesn't matter. Until they lose game #4, the season is still on, and I'm watching. And after that, the hot stove begins. I have faith that Theo will assemble an interesting team for next year, and that's really all I can ask for.

Let's go Sox - for better or for worse.

 

[Axon]

Originally posted by: BruleHow does that show the difference between the teams? First, I doubt he was even out. Second, it was one helluva throw from right to even make it a play. Boston could have sat back and left Manny on 2nd with 2 outs in a slow offense, but they tried to take the offensive for the first time in the series.

Offensively Boston wins regular season, Yankees win in the playoffs. Manny doesn't come alive then and there are freaks like Bernie Williams who just thrive on pressure. Is Bernie better than Manny? NO. Does he play better team ball in the playoffs? YES

Boston has 2 aces, the better of which started game 2. The Yankees have Gordon for setup(no Boston equal) and Rivera is great but has had problems against Boston whose Foulke is still very solid. With Mendoza, Timlin, Embree, and Williamson (when healthy) the Soxs have plenty of solid depth for relief. Defensively they're very much alike, almost uncanny.

How does it make a difference? You answered your own question.

Bernie is NOT a better hitter than Manny Ramirez, who will likely be a first-ballot hall of famer. But Bernie would have never made that mistake on the bases. That's a fundamental, little-league level mistake, irregardless of how close the play was. (He was out, by the way.) When you're down runs and your core bats are coming up, don't make a play like that. Brown would have been under enough pressure in that scenario and it would have been a great opportunity to steal. Also, you know your guys are more than capable of a deep base hit to bring you in.

So the difference is simple: Bernie is a winner, just like Jeter, A-Rod, Sheff, or Matsui. He wins games - big games. He doesn't make mistakes like the one Manny made. Smart base running is so underrated in today's numbers obsessed game. And I maintain that the Yanks lineup is more dangerous top to bottom than the Sox's.

The Yanks starting pitching, other than Schilling, is virtually identical to the Red Sox. Moose is at least as dangerous as Pedro now, if not more so....if this was the 99-00 Pedro, I would not say that. But this isn't. This is the "whose your daddy?" Pedro.

Mariano has problems against Boston? The man is virtually unhittable. Has he set the bar so high for himself that 2 blown leads over a season to the 2nd or third best lineup in baseball makes him vulnerable? I don't think so.

Mariano has turned out the lights, what, 8 times this year on the Sox? And come on, comparing Mariano to Foulke? Mariano is the ultimate weapon. He can come in against anyone, lefty, righty, any situation, runners on, lead in jeopardy; he can act as his own set-up man, he can go 4 or 5 innings and still maintain 96 MPH...You may not want to admit it, no Red Sox fan does, but deep down you know there is absolutely no reason to compare Mariano Rivera with Keith Foulke.

I understand the hate for the Yankees. They're like the most popular kid in high school who looks like Brad Pitt, is the star of every sport, was born so rich he doesn't need to go to Harvard but got in anyway because he gets perfect grades. He also gets all the love from the ladies. All the regular guys would love to gut him and eat his entrails American Psycho style....but the reality is, you can't. He's a winner, and it's not that you're a loser - you're just second best. Brooklyn to his Manhattan, Lancelot to his Arthur.

 

[mattlear]

Originally posted by: Axon
But Bernie would have never made that mistake on the bases. That's a fundamental, little-league level mistake, irregardless of how close the play was. (He was out, by the way.) When you're down runs and your core bats are coming up, don't make a play like that. Brown would have been under enough pressure in that scenario and it would have been a great opportunity to steal. Also, you know your guys are more than capable of a deep base hit to bring you in.

Dude, I'm a yankees fan, and I have to admit that Bernie is a TERRIBLE base runner. Anyone who has watched the yankees knows this. It's like he gets "deer in headlights" out there on the basepaths.

Of course, I'm not saying Manny is any better. In fact, I don't want to kill him for trying for third. The only thing I think that was bad was that people know sheffield has a really good arm in right. Also, after watching the replay (only once or twice), I think Manny beat the tag.

Speaking of Manny, I've never really been enamored by him. He's a great hitter, power and average, but he doesn't really wow me. As an outfielder, I think he is BELOW average, as it looks like he doesn't really hustle nor posesses a strong arm.

Interesting article in today's NY Daily News about Pedro's "mango tree" speech being a calculated plea to George to go after him in the off-season.

As far as Schilling getting hurt and costing the sox this series... I think that yeah, it did hurt them. Oh well, injuries are part of the game. No one felt bad for NY when Brown's back got messed up this year, and he went from a very good pitcher to mediocre. Also, the fact that Boston put up 7 runs in the first game means nothing to me. I think if the game were closer at that point (8-0 at the time), Torre would have gotten someone else up in the bullpen WAY earlier than he did. He left Mussina in because the game was 8-0 at that point, and he was pitching a perfect game. If anytyhing, I think the big lead contributed to the Sox getting back into it, because Torre wasn't as aggressive with the bullpen. I mean, if Mussina can pitch his way out of the 7th with an 8-0 lead, then Torre saves the bullpen from work, which he may need if Lieber falters in Game 2. If the game is closer, I think Torre goes to the bullpen much earlier, and maybe Gordon and Rivera come in (Not that Gordon has had a strong series... he has been pretty bad IMO).

Anyways, for all the talk about the RedSox lineup being better than the yankees, how do they compare when you match up hitters by place in the order? Jeter / Damon, A-Rod/Bellhorn, Manny / Sheffield, etc... might be interesting to get some discussion on this.

Lets hope we get the sweep tonight! Go Yanks!

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: wkabel23
Seriously, why are Yankees fans the most obnoxious fans on the planet? The rabid Red Sox fans I've met aren't nearly as bad as some of the morons are here.

Oh and a :thumbsdown: to all the fair-weather fans.

It's good the Yankees are finally playing like a $180 million team, however I don't think them or the Red Sox will be able to beat the Cards.

Don't group all Yankee fans as Aholes and fair-weather fans. We are not all like that. Every team has it's idiot fans.

Seriously.

Its the same excuse I hear all the time. Is that all Bosox fans can say about Yank fans? That they are all fair weather?

Anyway, I'd much rather have Guiliani as a fan than Affleck.

 

[ElFenix]

its kinda fun watching red sox fans implode

 

[pmoa]

all i can say is that....all this talk is in good gest....if you take it seriously...you are one of those fans that live vicariously through the players because you have to make up for something. we can argue all you wan, pedro sucks or jeter sucks this... In the end the players do all the talking and all we can do is watch and take it out on someone else. SAD.