Officer Tantrum (CNN)

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

No, the kid was hugely smarmy. He was trying to push the officer's buttons

Still waiting on your justification for saying this, Gneisenau. What'd the kid do or say that was "hugely smarmy and trying to push the officer's buttons".

Here you go - from his own transcript:

Officer #1: It?s called?When you go home and you want to tell everybody, first thing you tell em, you were pulled over because you were a suspicious vehicle. (Once again, he flip flops about the stop). In the State of Missouri, we have the right to stop anybody walking for a pat check, or stop a suspicious vehicle anytime. Okay? That was my probable cause. And this parking lot, as a matter of fact, what?s this parking lot called? Officer #1: What did you just call it?
Brett: It?s a parking lot.
Officer #1: What kind?
Brett: A commuter parking lot
Officer #1: Are you commuting somewhere? Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer #1: Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer #1: That?s why I was coming to inquire about that, but you just told me you were going to sit here.
Brett: You don?t know if I was going to wait here for somebody to come pick me up.
Officer #1: I asked you that, did I not.
Brett: I don?t have to say anything. I have the 5th Amendment right.
Officer #1: Do you really?
Brett: Do you know what the 5th amendment right is?
Officer #1 Do you know what impeding the flow of a police officers duties are?
Brett: What?s that? Go ahead, tell me.
Officer #1: Whenever I ask you?If I?m conducting an investigat? This is called a field investigation, if you?re impeding it, you?re impeding it.
Brett: You?re saying, I can?t refuse to answer your questions?
Officer #1: They?re not incriminating are they?
Brett: You don?t know that.
Officer #1: Are they incriminating?
Brett: Yes they are.
Officer #1: They are?
Brett: They could be.
Officer #1: Then are you doing something illegal here?
Brett: No I?m not.
Officer #1: Then they are not incriminating.
Brett: Yes, they could be incriminating. I have the right to privacy.

You can't expect me to believe he wasn't looking to make a scene.

Note: Before you get all pissy, realize that I am not condoning the officer's actions. I am fulfilling your request and providing "smarmy" quotes.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It amazes me how some people's stubbornness and conformity can be so great that they blame the kid in this situation. Frankly the kid seems a little odd (the idea of setting a camera up in your car, permanently, in case you get a bogus ticket smacks of paranoia), but there is no justification for the officer's overreaction, and the fact that he is so openly threatening to invent charges to justify arresting him tells me he just flat-out isn't cut out to be a police officer. The department's standards must be pretty shitty to let someone like this make Sergeant.

 

[Agentbolt]

You can't expect me to believe he wasn't looking to make a scene.

Sorry, try again. That all happened AFTER the cop blew up at him. People are saying some bad attitude the kid was giving is what caused the trouble in the first place. The kid said NOTHING obnoxious until after the cop went nuclear.

 

[BigJ]

The kid could've been the biggest douche bag in the history of the world, it still doesn't excuse the officer's actions.

Was he (the kid) looking to set something up? Probably. But officers are supposed to be held to the highest standards at all times. Not just when they know the camera is rolling. With the power afforded to police officers, there is no excuse for this type of behavior.

I'll adamantly defend good cops, but scum like this just feeds into peoples' justification for hating all cops.

 

[waggy]

yes the kid was smarmy! he wouldnt kiss the cops ass! he wouldnt asnwere the cops quesitions (even though he does not have to).

pfft.

the kid is ass. but the cop went way over th eline and should be fired. the fact that the cops tape is "missing" says a lot. seems whenever they want to cover it up it ends up "missing"

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: CadetLee
Note: Before you get all pissy, realize that I am not condoning the officer's actions. I am fulfilling your request and providing "smarmy" quotes.

The bit you quoted was well into the video, after the officer had already exploded after the guy asked completely reasonable, polite questions. The kid isn't being smarmy, he was defending himself after this officer abused his authority.

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

No, the kid was hugely smarmy. He was trying to push the officer's buttons

Still waiting on your justification for saying this, Gneisenau. What'd the kid do or say that was "hugely smarmy and trying to push the officer's buttons".

Here you go - from his own transcript:

Officer #1: It?s called?When you go home and you want to tell everybody, first thing you tell em, you were pulled over because you were a suspicious vehicle. (Once again, he flip flops about the stop). In the State of Missouri, we have the right to stop anybody walking for a pat check, or stop a suspicious vehicle anytime. Okay? That was my probable cause. And this parking lot, as a matter of fact, what?s this parking lot called? Officer #1: What did you just call it?
Brett: It?s a parking lot.
Officer #1: What kind?
Brett: A commuter parking lot
Officer #1: Are you commuting somewhere? Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer #1: Are you commuting somewhere?
Brett: How would you know that?
Officer #1: That?s why I was coming to inquire about that, but you just told me you were going to sit here.
Brett: You don?t know if I was going to wait here for somebody to come pick me up.
Officer #1: I asked you that, did I not.
Brett: I don?t have to say anything. I have the 5th Amendment right.
Officer #1: Do you really?
Brett: Do you know what the 5th amendment right is?
Officer #1 Do you know what impeding the flow of a police officers duties are?
Brett: What?s that? Go ahead, tell me.
Officer #1: Whenever I ask you?If I?m conducting an investigat? This is called a field investigation, if you?re impeding it, you?re impeding it.
Brett: You?re saying, I can?t refuse to answer your questions?
Officer #1: They?re not incriminating are they?
Brett: You don?t know that.
Officer #1: Are they incriminating?
Brett: Yes they are.
Officer #1: They are?
Brett: They could be.
Officer #1: Then are you doing something illegal here?
Brett: No I?m not.
Officer #1: Then they are not incriminating.
Brett: Yes, they could be incriminating. I have the right to privacy.

You can't expect me to believe he wasn't looking to make a scene.

Note: Before you get all pissy, realize that I am not condoning the officer's actions. I am fulfilling your request and providing "smarmy" quotes.

Actually, *not having seen the video* the cops comments sound more smarmy to me in this context.

I thought this was funny too,

Brett: You?re saying, I can?t refuse to answer your questions?
Officer #1: They?re not incriminating are they?
.....
Officer #1: Then are you doing something illegal here?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BigJ
The kid could've been the biggest douche bag in the history of the world, it still doesn't excuse the officer's actions.

Was he (the kid) looking to set something up? Probably. But officers are supposed to be held to the highest standards at all time. Not just when they know the camera is rolling. With the power afforded to police officers, there is no excuse for this type of behavior.

I'll adamantly defend good cops, but scum like this just feeds into peoples' justification for hating all cops.

exactly! i will give benifit of the doubt to the cops. but when its on video such as this (and recent shit in chicago) gives people a reason to hate the cops.

Cops have tons of power. they can ruin a persons night (or hell life if they want) with a lie. who is a judge going to beleive? a cop or a civie?

i do think the kid is a jackass and out looking for trouble. but the cop the found deserves all the news he is getting. hopefully he is fired and they look into his other "arrest".

 

[Pacfanweb]

Both were idiots. He probably caught the wrong cop on the wrong day. Bad for the cop, and only proves that the punk ass kid was successful at pissing him off on purpose.
Cop will probably get fired. Probably should, I guess...he's supposed to not set stuff like this get to him. Again, just a bad day for the cop, because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I like how the cop's dash cam footage "disappeared" after this.

 

[Agentbolt]

because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

Since you didn't bother explaining WHY he should be beat, I'll assume you were personal friends with this cop or something. It's not terribly surprising, douches tend to group together.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

Since you didn't bother explaining WHY he should be beat, I'll assume you were personal friends with this cop or something. It's not terribly surprising, douches tend to group together.

The kid is deliberately being evasive, he's being a smart ass, and didn't I read that he and his friend go around trolling for cops do film them like this?

If any of this is true, and it is, then the kid needs his ass beaten. If you are doing nothing wrong and the police pull you, answer their damn questions. It's easy.

This is almost up there with the idiots who get arrested for not letting stores check their bags when they leave.

I'm not defending this particular cop. Just saying that while the cop is definitely in the wrong, the kid is still a punk.
Anyone who is even semi-literate could have understood that.

 

[Agentbolt]

This is almost up there with the idiots who get arrested for not letting stores check their bags when they leave

I think we slugged it out in that thread too. I don't agree with your logic at ALL, but we might as well agree to disagree.

 

[Miramonti]

"Our job is to serve the community, and protect the people from....attitude." lol :laugh:

Unless the cop has 'priors', I don't think he should be fired, altho punishment is certainly in order. If the cop did make false charges, his @ss should be canned, but he didn't.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jjsole
"Our job is to serve the community, and protect the people from....attitude." lol :laugh:

Unless the cop has 'priors', I don't think he should be fired, altho punishment is certainly in order. If the cop did make false charges, his @ss should be canned, but he didn't.

no but he threatened to make false charges, arrest him and have his car impounded.


uh yeah he should be fired.

 

[Caecus Veritas]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

Since you didn't bother explaining WHY he should be beat, I'll assume you were personal friends with this cop or something. It's not terribly surprising, douches tend to group together.

The kid is deliberately being evasive, he's being a smart ass, and didn't I read that he and his friend go around trolling for cops do film them like this?

If any of this is true, and it is, then the kid needs his ass beaten. If you are doing nothing wrong and the police pull you, answer their damn questions. It's easy.

This is almost up there with the idiots who get arrested for not letting stores check their bags when they leave.

I'm not defending this particular cop. Just saying that while the cop is definitely in the wrong, the kid is still a punk.
Anyone who is even semi-literate could have understood that.

man, would bush love you or what!

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
"Our job is to serve the community, and protect the people from....attitude." lol :laugh:

Unless the cop has 'priors', I don't think he should be fired, altho punishment is certainly in order. If the cop did make false charges, his @ss should be canned, but he didn't.

no but he threatened to make false charges, arrest him and have his car impounded.


uh yeah he should be fired.

Did he say he'd make up charges or he'd find charges? Two completely different things.

 

[Caecus Veritas]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
"Our job is to serve the community, and protect the people from....attitude." lol :laugh:

Unless the cop has 'priors', I don't think he should be fired, altho punishment is certainly in order. If the cop did make false charges, his @ss should be canned, but he didn't.

no but he threatened to make false charges, arrest him and have his car impounded.


uh yeah he should be fired.

in addition to being fired, he should be charged and prosecuted... what he threatened to do is not something to be taken lightly. on top of it being illegal, it's one of the worst things a police officer can do.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

Since you didn't bother explaining WHY he should be beat, I'll assume you were personal friends with this cop or something. It's not terribly surprising, douches tend to group together.

The kid is deliberately being evasive, he's being a smart ass, and didn't I read that he and his friend go around trolling for cops do film them like this?

If any of this is true, and it is, then the kid needs his ass beaten. If you are doing nothing wrong and the police pull you, answer their damn questions. It's easy.

This is almost up there with the idiots who get arrested for not letting stores check their bags when they leave.

I'm not defending this particular cop. Just saying that while the cop is definitely in the wrong, the kid is still a punk.
Anyone who is even semi-literate could have understood that.

man, would bush love you or what!

He's not saying that they should HAVE to answer the questions. He's saying it's easier for all parties if you do answer the questions.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: BigJ
He's not saying that they should HAVE to answer the questions. He's saying it's easier for all parties if you do answer the questions.

While technically he's saying that, the feeling I get from his post is that he is strongly biased towards the police in any situation. The connotation in his post seems to be that if you don't answer their questions the police are justified in treating you like shit.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: BigJ
He's not saying that they should HAVE to answer the questions. He's saying it's easier for all parties if you do answer the questions.

While technically he's saying that, the feeling I get from his post is that he is strongly biased towards the police in any situation. The connotation in his post seems to be that if you don't answer their questions the police are justified in treating you like shit.

Well in any conversation, it goes both ways. If you want to be a dick, expect to be treated like a dick. If you're cooperative and friendly, expect the same in return. You shouldn't be treated like shit for not answering a question, but don't expect to be treated like a princess.

 

[sygyzy]

Wow did you hear what Darrow said? The cop's patrol car video is now "missing"

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: jjsole
"Our job is to serve the community, and protect the people from....attitude." lol :laugh:

Unless the cop has 'priors', I don't think he should be fired, altho punishment is certainly in order. If the cop did make false charges, his @ss should be canned, but he didn't.

no but he threatened to make false charges, arrest him and have his car impounded.


uh yeah he should be fired.

He lost his cool and tried to intimidate the kid, worthy of punishment sure, but didn't he say that he's been an officer for like 20 years? A veteran like that, if he's had a solid history, definitely deserves a second chance. Like I said, he did make inappropriate threats, but didn't physically harm the kid and didn't even give him a ticket.

Probably all he wanted was a little respect, but took the wrong course towards trying to get it. And the kid was indeed a disrespectful @sshole looking to egg on the officer imo because he knew he had a camera. :roll:

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: BigJ
He's not saying that they should HAVE to answer the questions. He's saying it's easier for all parties if you do answer the questions.

While technically he's saying that, the feeling I get from his post is that he is strongly biased towards the police in any situation. The connotation in his post seems to be that if you don't answer their questions the police are justified in treating you like shit.

Well in any conversation, it goes both ways. If you want to be a dick, expect to be treated like a dick. If you're cooperative and friendly, expect the same in return. You shouldn't be treated like shit for not answering a question, but don't expect to be treated like a princess.

Nobody expects to be treated like a princess in any situation by the police. Unless you are breaking the law and continually doing so while you are interacting with an officer, the police should be treating you with the same respect they'd afford somebody asking for directions on the street. Plain and simple, police are in a position of power and authority, they must be held to a higher standard.

 

[Caecus Veritas]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

because of some smart-ass little punk who IMO needs his ass beat.

Since you didn't bother explaining WHY he should be beat, I'll assume you were personal friends with this cop or something. It's not terribly surprising, douches tend to group together.

The kid is deliberately being evasive, he's being a smart ass, and didn't I read that he and his friend go around trolling for cops do film them like this?

If any of this is true, and it is, then the kid needs his ass beaten. If you are doing nothing wrong and the police pull you, answer their damn questions. It's easy.

This is almost up there with the idiots who get arrested for not letting stores check their bags when they leave.

I'm not defending this particular cop. Just saying that while the cop is definitely in the wrong, the kid is still a punk.
Anyone who is even semi-literate could have understood that.

man, would bush love you or what!

He's not saying that they should HAVE to answer the questions. He's saying it's easier for all parties if you do answer the questions.

Yes, it's always easier to give up your rights, not get in trouble, always trust and follow authority... just as long as you're not doing anything wrong, right? what happens when I don't want to take the easy route? you're saying it's "easier" if he answered the question. so, then, I ask you, what's the consequence of not doing the "easier" thing? in this case, the kid was threatened with imprisonment, fines, physical abuse (getting roughed up), etc etc - something you'd find in a police state. Unlike some other countries, we have the right not to take the "easy" way out, without the fear the unhealthy repurcussions.