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FelixDeCat

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Actually made money on a bitcoin stock today. Had 15 December $10 call options on RIOT. Sold this morning for about a 50% profit.
 

FelixDeCat

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That isn't very fair at all. Renters are people too, as are people who don't have families. There are many reasons to prefer renting over owning - one is not inherently better than the other. In an ideal market, renting and owning would be fairly similar in cost, but for that to happen, we just need a lot more supply.

Water use for homes is not a substantial issue. People in homes use relatively little water relative to where water is used (ie, agriculture in the desert). Encourage good water saving equipment and xeroscaped landscaping and you can see further per capita reduction in water usage for non-agricultural water.

Or you know, don't grow water-intensive plants in desert environments.
Renters can rent an apartment or an SFR that has met the 25 year hold period. There are so many vacant apartments in DFW because they want $2000 per month on the cheap end. People don't want to rent, they want to buy but they can't because speculators from around the country or world scoop them up first.

Sad.
 
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Renters can rent an apartment or an SFR that has met the 25 year hold period. There are so many vacant apartments in DFW because they want $2000 per month on the cheap end.

Otherwise let families and individuals enjoy affordable housing. RE speculators need not apply. It's sad that I, a capitalist pig, has to defend people's right to affordable housing and right to home OWNERSHIP that others want to hog for themselves like billionaire Bezos. 😕
If they are having problems filling the apartments at $2k/mo, they'll eventually have to adjust their pricing to attract tenants, or continue taking losses they can't "write off".

Abundant housing undercuts speculators and investors. They don't just want property to sit vacant - empty property doesn't pay dividends and is otherwise a money sink. Stop trying to create arbitrary roadblocks that distort the market and prevent people from having places to live because they happen to want or need to rent vs buying or being lucky enough to have won some genetic lottery and have a generous family member with an ADU under the rules you are proposing.

On a related note, I would love to have $2000 apartments where I'm living, but the 0.7% vacancy rates prevents that from being a reality. It would free up a chunk of my income to put towards more productive uses.
 

FelixDeCat

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I'm tempted to short Meta @ 312 before earnings. But they have been doing well so I won't. It's tempting though.
 

Red Squirrel

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Even here apartment rental rates are pretty crazy now. I don't even see the point in renting when I pay $1,200/mo and actually have a house, with yard and live in an area where I can actually see the night sky. I could pay as low as $800 if I wanted to but I choose to put more money to pay it down faster.

Of course there is property taxes on top of that which is basically like paying rent, but at least I own the house and can do what I want to it, and not at the mercy of someone else if I need anything done. I would hate renting, it would feel like I'm just staying in a hotel or something, it's not even my own land or building.
 
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Even here apartment rental rates are pretty crazy now. I don't even see the point in renting when I pay $1,200/mo and actually have a house, with yard and live in an area where I can actually see the night sky. I could pay as low as $800 if I wanted to but I choose to put more money to pay it down faster.

Of course there is property taxes on top of that which is basically like paying rent, but at least I own the house and can do what I want to it, and not at the mercy of someone else if I need anything done. I would hate renting, it would feel like I'm just staying in a hotel or something, it's not even my own land or building.
You should see the costs to buy a home at today's value with a mortgage, if you think today's renting rates are expensive:
I'm tempted to short Meta @ 312 before earnings. But they have been doing well so I won't. It's tempting though.
The layoffs from earlier in the year must be helping out.
 

Red Squirrel

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Yeah I got lucky that I bought in 2009 when things were more tame. My house now would probably cost close to 300k to buy. Newer built houses are all 400k+. It's even more insane in the GTA where a house can go for over a mil, and it's just a regular house, not even a mansion. As much as life is not perfect here, especially with the drug and crime situation getting worse and worse, it's still way better than down south, dealing with the hustle and bustle, the long commutes, pollution, noise, everything costing more etc. Property taxes here are some of the highest in the region and keep going up though so something needs to happen as it's going to start forcing people out of their homes.

That said, there are still houses going for <$200k but they will require some amount of work. But so did mine when I bought it at 165k.
 

drnickriviera

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I came across these on Fidelity today .. pretty straightforward to buy on the secondary market. What is the catch here? There are recently issued 10 year 6.3% federal farm bank bonds (callable) for sale for roughly face value.

I"ve read they are always called. I have one that is callable before the first coupon. So far it hasn't been called, but I expect it to be on the first coupon.

Well they didn't call any of my farm bonds, which is understandable considering they have a 6.95% new issue out now. Callable in 1 yr, so that is tempting. If the bond is 7%, what are farmers having to pay for loans? That's got to hurt real bad.
 

FelixDeCat

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Market looks unhappy. Short META? 🙁

Edit: META up after earnings...for now. I did not short it.
 
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JTsyo

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Google had a 10% drop after cloud revenue missed. Didn't realize it was as much a player as AWS and Azure.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Results released. Losing money with Reality Labs and will continue to lose money into 2024.
My spidey sense was correct. I should have shorted at $315 yesterday. I could have covered at $300 today, then reshorted at $315 after META warned during the conference call that advertising revs may fall next quarter. Current price.....$289.
 

AdamK47

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The magnificent 7 are dwindling. Pulling the rest of the market down with them.
 

FelixDeCat

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Holy Guacamole, I wonder if it's too late to just outright short the QQQs. It broke $350 today on strong GDP data.

Edit: Cramer insists market oversold and due for a bounce. Shorts beware.
 
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Charmonium

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Gold over $2k. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Once the paranoia dies down, we're probably not going to see prices like this for a while.
 

FelixDeCat

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Gold over $2k. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Once the paranoia dies down, we're probably not going to see prices like this for a while.
I love gold 👌

But I think there might be more opportunity in trading the bitcoin related stocks due to volatility.
 

Charmonium

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Wow, Tesla lost 145B in value? Just saw the headline. Even for them, that has to be a decent chunk of market cap.

edit - Elon might be spending too much time on X. But it's also the current market - less demand, higher costs, etc.
 

jpiniero

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Wow, Tesla lost 145B in value? Just saw the headline. Even for them, that has to be a decent chunk of market cap.

edit - Elon might be spending too much time on X. But it's also the current market - less demand, higher costs, etc.

Most of Tesla's value is (from/by) Musk fanboys. They could be jumping ship because of his recent erratic behavior.
 

Red Squirrel

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From what I read the Cybertruck is not looking too good as far as revenue generation. I think it might be a loss for Tesla.

In fact it seems EVs in general might not be doing too well. Ford just pulled the plug on them. As much as I want EVs to work out I have a bad feeling this will be like all the other times, where it's just a passing phase. They are too expensive and for most people, impractical. I personally would love one since the furthest I tend to drive is to my off grid land and back, but I just can't justify the cost.
 
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It's not that they're too expensive for most people, it's just that they are putting EV into the most expensive and large platforms and abandoning the lighter and smaller sector.
 
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