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Originally posted by: NFS4
After reading all of the later comments in this thread, I think that I have to go see the movie and give it a second chance.

The reason why a lot of you people like it so much is b/c you guys read the comics and are like uber geeks with the mythology and backstory of EVERY FRIGGIN' CHARACTER in the universe. It's like those LOTR nutjobs

. . .

I went to see Batman Begins b/c I wanted to be entertained. I was entertained when I saw Batman. I was entertained when I saw Spiderman. I was entertained when I saw X-Men. I was on the outside looking in when I watched Batman Begins.


I just saw BB yesterday, and I couldn't agree less. I am NOT a comic-book afficionado (though I read the Dark Knight comics many years ago), but to me BB was by far the most entertaining, satisfying superhero film I've ever seen.

IMO the original Batman is almost completely insubstantial. It's all atmosphere, with no plot or charaterization. I liked it OK the first time through (I was blown away by the aesthetic of it), but it's such a stylized puff piece that I find it worthless past the first viewing. The subsequent Burton/Schumacher movies were pretty much completely worthless from beginning to end IMO.

BB is so smart, and has so much depth that I found it almost boundlessly entertaining. The Batman in BB is accessible, interesting, and I can't wait to see his adventures in subsequent movies in this series.

Christopher Nolan has never made a film that WASN'T brilliant IMO, and in that regard has a vastly superior track record to that of the highly overrated Tim Burton (is there a crappier movie, ever, than his version of Planet of the Apes?).

Other than the annoying, miscast Katie Holmes, I can't find much to criticize in this movie.
 

Orsorum

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I find it odd that I have such a strong attachment to the Batman franchise, as I never read the comic books as a child or as an adult. I am normally one to pooh-pooh emotional attachments to works of cinema, I find most modern cinema to be stale copies of concepts and emotions better performed in the distant past, at best, or horrid attempts at drama or adventure, at worst. I've been simultaneously impressed and frustrated with the recent spat of comic book cinematic adaptations: I liked Spiderman and X-men, haven't seen either sequel, indifferent to the Hulk, and I don't much care for the Fantastic 4.

Batman, however, is different for me. I was only 6 years old when Batman was released, and it was with awe and some amount of wonder that I watched the comic book drama unfold on-screen. Michael Keaton brought a solemnity and a resolve to the Dark Knight, he commanded a certain level of respect matched only by the evil, late 80s irreverence of Jack Nicholson. We saw Gotham City as a contrast of grays, dark and grimy, infested with criminals and corruption. We see Bruce Wayne as a charming playboy and a complex man. This Batman was gritty, wrestling with his demons and his past without being overly cheesy or dramatic.

Batman Returns was a further descent into the strange, twisted world of Gotham, but a brighter world. We see snow here, more melodrama. Danny DeVito and Michelle Pfeiffer make decent villains, and Ms. Pfeiffer does look excellent in leather. Halle Berry can't compete on that front. I don't really have the energy to elaborate much on this, but it was a good movie. Not on part with the original, but it held its own.

The last two in the quadrilogy, Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, contributed to what many considered the end of the movie franchise. The spirit of the Dark Knight as a conflicted superhero, a symbol of vigilantism and brute justice in a corrupt world, was cast aside in favor of the bright colors and moldy cheese of Harvey Two-Face and Ahhhnold. Gotham becomes less of a bustling metropolis and more of a cartoonish alternate universe. These movies severed any connection that we could have had with Gotham and its citizens.

Batman Begins brought back to life the spirit of the original. I'm a fan of Christian Bale, have been since the beginning; he's intense, honest, and tough, when need be. He's not versatile in the way of Jack Nicholson or Anthony Hopkins, but he fits the role of Batman. We see a fascinating glimpse into the genesis of Batman, the horror and fear that define our Dark Knight, the anger that drives him. We see him address the conflict between vigilantism and violence, between salvation and destruction.

Batman Begins is gritty, painful, intense. I loved it. It made me happy to see so many themes displayed skillfully and in an entertaining manner. I was impressed.
 

Zim Hosein

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FYI: Batman Begins releases on DVD Oct 18, 2005.
 

JImmyK

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just watched the movie... WOW completly blew me away. I love watching a movie with LOW expecataions, you got no where to go but up.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: Howard
1: Bats can't break through windows.
2: Why would bats fly into windows? They emit ultrasonic waves to light their path, so to speak, and AFAIK glass reflects ultrasound.
3: That emitter Batman used to attract the bats should have emitted ultrasound, which we can't hear. But there was a high-pitched humming.
4: How strong would the emitter have to be to attract the bats from all the way to their roost (proper word?)? It certainly wouldn't be that small.
5: The microwave emitter didn't have any horn that I could see, so how were the microwaves focused?
6: A microwave emitter strong enough to vaporise water inside pipes would have to have a gigantic power source. Where was the power source?
7: Anybody that got in the way of the microwaves would instantly explode. What the hell were people doing walking around it?
8: How would the entire water supply system blow if the microwave emitter got to the Wayne Tower?
9: The Tumbler should have fallen through the roof of the building it landed on (the one with the clay shingles, I think).
10: Actors should stop saying "I have got to get me one of these".
11: Fight-scene camerawork looked like it came off the set of Resident Evil: Apocalypse.

And this...ladies and gentlemen...is why Howard goes to movies alone.

BTW- Fun fact from the DVD, Bale had to bulk up for the Batman role, but he WAY overdid it, and for the first few weeks the cast called him FATMAN
 

bigrash

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: Howard
1: Bats can't break through windows.
2: Why would bats fly into windows? They emit ultrasonic waves to light their path, so to speak, and AFAIK glass reflects ultrasound.
3: That emitter Batman used to attract the bats should have emitted ultrasound, which we can't hear. But there was a high-pitched humming.
4: How strong would the emitter have to be to attract the bats from all the way to their roost (proper word?)? It certainly wouldn't be that small.
5: The microwave emitter didn't have any horn that I could see, so how were the microwaves focused?
6: A microwave emitter strong enough to vaporise water inside pipes would have to have a gigantic power source. Where was the power source?
7: Anybody that got in the way of the microwaves would instantly explode. What the hell were people doing walking around it?
8: How would the entire water supply system blow if the microwave emitter got to the Wayne Tower?
9: The Tumbler should have fallen through the roof of the building it landed on (the one with the clay shingles, I think).
10: Actors should stop saying "I have got to get me one of these".
11: Fight-scene camerawork looked like it came off the set of Resident Evil: Apocalypse.

And this...ladies and gentlemen...is why Howard goes to movies alone.

hahaha!
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Wow. I pissed in a one gallon milk jug so that I wouldn't have to leave my living room. I bought the movie on pay-per-view, and I didn't want to leave. Wow...... That was a fvcking good movie.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I like how they worked Katie Holmes' nipples into the movie in a couple scenes.

And yes, thank God for DVD players. Rewind 1000 times w/o pic quality degrade.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I like how they worked Katie Holmes' nipples into the movie in a couple scenes.

And yes, thank God for DVD players. Rewind 1000 times w/o pic quality degrade.

Frame #'s?????????????????????????
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I like how they worked Katie Holmes' nipples into the movie in a couple scenes.

And yes, thank God for DVD players. Rewind 1000 times w/o pic quality degrade.

Frame #'s?????????????????????????

Heh, well I did notice them in the end scene when they're talking in the rubble that was once the wayne manor.
 

rh71

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finally saw it...

Not a comic fan, not a batman fan... but I did see the Keaton version also. I went into Begins thinking it was a prequel but after the parents' killing I figured something's up.

Regardless, this movie was everything an action movie should be and it had less hollywood in it which worked great. It definitely exceeded expectations.
 

cruzer

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Scientologists don't breastfeed. I remember it mentioned during an interview with Leah Remini.
 

Raiden256

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Originally posted by: cruzer
Scientologists don't breastfeed. I remember it mentioned during an interview with Leah Remini.

Yeah, that's right... I forgot.... they're UTTER MORONS!
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: Raiden256
Originally posted by: cruzer
Scientologists don't breastfeed. I remember it mentioned during an interview with Leah Remini.

Yeah, that's right... I forgot.... they're UTTER MORONS!

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