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biostud

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Any reason to choose two handed weapons or dual wield over one handed + shield, as a barbarian? The DPS seems only to increase slightly.
 

nanobreath

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That's exactly what Inferno is supposed to be and was always advertised as though. The game for normal people ends at Hell; Inferno is your "Everest".


Also I'll never understand the complaints about loot lol. How much 'good' stuff you find is pretty much the same as any other Diablo game or Diablo clone.

The first part just isn't true. For the kind of person who liked D2 and really wanted to play D3, which is a majority of the players, hell is not the end. If every item possible dropped in hell and then inferno was just some crazy hard place to play once you got the best gear to see how you did, then your description would be right. But the way the game works, you have to play in inferno to get level 60 gear. Inferno isn't some Everest you do for the challenge, but the mountain you have to cross to get to your destination.

I agree with the complaints on loot though. It's the exact same way drops were in D2, they were always below your level.
 

gothamhunter

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Any reason to choose two handed weapons or dual wield over one handed + shield, as a barbarian? The DPS seems only to increase slightly.

Depends on the stats for the two items. Dual wielding will definitely provide more DPS/Damage than sword and board if the board doesn't increase your STR or atk spd or anything like that.

That being said, the increased survivability of Sword and Board far outweights dual wielding, in my book. I love standing in a champion group and being able to hold my own and leap out as needed (yes, in Inferno).
 

gothamhunter

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Just sold my first item, a set of shoulders for 25 bucks ( i keep 20). I think it was like 120ish Dex, 60ish vit, 50-60 all resist and 30 cold resist.

Feels good man

What armor value and level?

Does it seem that things with resists are what sell well? I'm guessing anything with str/vit + resists will sell for quite a bit for Inferno Barbs.
 

nanobreath

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Depends on the stats for the two items. Dual wielding will definitely provide more DPS/Damage than sword and board if the board doesn't increase your STR or atk spd or anything like that.

That being said, the increased survivability of Sword and Board far outweights dual wielding, in my book. I love standing in a champion group and being able to hold my own and leap out as needed (yes, in Inferno).

The high end for damage on a 2h is certainly higher than a 1h, you just don't really see the differences until you get to 60. Even at 60 I prefer the survivability of a 1h + shield, but DPS can go up quite a bit with 2h, depending on how you build.

The main thing to realize is that at low levels you have minimal strength etc such that adding 10 dps from a 60 dps 1h to a 70 dps 2h only adds 15 or so DPS. But at 60 with the massive amounts of str, crit, asp, etc, adding 100 dps from a 800 dps 1h to a 900 dps 2h, will add 200-300 dps or more. Now if you are playing a much more tanky spec, the 2h will be like the lower levels where the dps increase is much lower because you are not compounding that difference with a lot of other DPS stats.
 

EDUSAN

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i think that what shouuld be able to sell is the things that will be visible in searches...

so...if you get a crappy item but with 100+ in 1 stat... it will be shown everytime someone searches for 100+ of that stat (i do that a lot)

if you get a crappy item but with 20% MF .... put it in the RMAH, it will get noticed by people looking for MF that set like 15% as minimun in the filter..

ill try to do that myself...

not sure if an item that is.... 40 primary stat / 40 vit / 40 resis will get noticed because of the low amount of each stat individually, although it might be a good item for the prices at its being sold...
 

slayer202

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i think that what shouuld be able to sell is the things that will be visible in searches...

so...if you get a crappy item but with 100+ in 1 stat... it will be shown everytime someone searches for 100+ of that stat (i do that a lot)

if you get a crappy item but with 20% MF .... put it in the RMAH, it will get noticed by people looking for MF that set like 15% as minimun in the filter..

ill try to do that myself...

not sure if an item that is.... 40 primary stat / 40 vit / 40 resis will get noticed because of the low amount of each stat individually, although it might be a good item for the prices at its being sold...

lol how do you think people search for items? I know I put in the stats I want...
 

EDUSAN

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lol how do you think people search for items? I know I put in the stats I want...

im just... theorycrafting about what items have more probability to be sold

When i search i always use the 3 filters, and use a specific number in at least 1 of the stats, as well as a max buyout
i wish there were mor filters to search

yesterday i was looking for life regen items for the life regen wiz build and i was looking at
WIZ - Bracers - lvl 60 - Life Regen: 100 - Intelligence: 70 - Vitality - Max Buyout 50k

i wish i was able to add a filter more like all resist to that.

if i dont find anything i like, i go 100k, and keep increasing until i feel i wouldnt pay more and then i start tweaking the other numbers, maybe 90 life regen, maybe 50 intelligence, maybe no life regen number but 50 vitality and stuff like that

a 50-50-50 item wont show in any of my searches, but if it had 100 intelligence it would probably show eventually
 

diesbudt

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The first part just isn't true. For the kind of person who liked D2 and really wanted to play D3, which is a majority of the players, hell is not the end. If every item possible dropped in hell and then inferno was just some crazy hard place to play once you got the best gear to see how you did, then your description would be right. But the way the game works, you have to play in inferno to get level 60 gear. Inferno isn't some Everest you do for the challenge, but the mountain you have to cross to get to your destination.

I agree with the complaints on loot though. It's the exact same way drops were in D2, they were always below your level.

best gear drops in Pony level in Inferno. It can drop "act 5" level gear (great lv 60 gear)
 

Batmeat

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another quick non RMAH question about DH's. Now that I'm 60, I should focus on Dex, Resis, Vit, and Crit...right? I'm going to re-visit dual weilding too if I can find/GAH a couple good 1 handed x-bows. I want to see what's going to be the best to max my dps. That's going to be my attack plan for inferno. Kill them before the can get to me. I get one shotted in Hell by elites a lot, doubt that different build strat will let me be able to take a few shots off inferno mobs.
 
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diesbudt

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another quick non RMAH question about DH's. Now that I'm 60, I should focus on Dex, Resis, Vit, and Crit...right? I'm going to re-visit dual weilding too if I can find/GAH a couple good 1 handed x-bows. I want to see what's going to be the best to max my dps. That's going to be my attack plan for inferno. Kill them before the can get to me. I get one shotted in Hell by elites a lot, doubt that different build strat will let me be able to take a few shots off inferno mobs.

Inferno Act 1 isn't that bad.

Inferno Act 2 however, they hit incredibally hard and a lot of mean champion combinations with their monstor special.

(Fallen creatures will illusion and fast... yea killed 150+ illusions in my kite fest to kill the real ones. Barely hit the enrage timer.)

If you are getting 1 shotted though, sounds like you need much more def. stats. Resist, vit, Dex, (even some STR gives armor) along with defensive/slowing cooldowns.
 

Adrenaline

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best gear drops in Pony level in Inferno. It can drop "act 5" level gear (great lv 60 gear)

Um, no. Act 3 and 4 Inferno drop level 63 gear. The Pony level drops item level equivalent to Act 4 of the setting you are on.

Are you playing Diablo 3?
 

Imp

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Any reason to choose two handed weapons or dual wield over one handed + shield, as a barbarian? The DPS seems only to increase slightly.

Love 2-handers but can't (haven't look too far beyond drops) find one that does significantly more damage than my 1-hander.

The biggest draw that I see though is the range, which matters a lot with Cleave and Whirlwind. Unfortunately, due to my mediocre loadout, I don't last long in Inferno, so need to focuse on killing individuals rather than groups, so weapon range becomes pointless.

And wow, blew 800k gold last night on resist gear. Farming well over 100k/hour running Act 3 hell Siegebreaker. If I could survive well enough in Act 1 Inferno, I'd probably do better.
 

diesbudt

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Um, no. Act 3 and 4 Inferno drop level 63 gear. The Pony level drops item level equivalent to Act 4 of the setting you are on.

Are you playing Diablo 3?


Yes, it drops gear better than Act 4, its rare, but it can.

And by lv 60, I mean lv 60 requirement, not the "lv" of gear it is.

The secret level aka happy go fun pony land, as I call it, drops majority of Act 4 gear and some chance of what some dubbed as "act 5" gear, though really better called as Act 4+. And yes, that is what I meant, in the pony world on the level you are on, as it has to be Inferno Pony world.
 

Adrenaline

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Yes, it drops gear better than Act 4, its rare, but it can.

And by lv 60, I mean lv 60 requirement, not the "lv" of gear it is.

The secret level aka happy go fun pony land, as I call it, drops majority of Act 4 gear and some chance of what some dubbed as "act 5" gear, though really better called as Act 4+. And yes, that is what I meant, in the pony world on the level you are on, as it has to be Inferno Pony world.

Anything that drops in Inferno Pony Level can drop in Act 3 Inferno. There is no magically considered Act 5. Just a few days ago someone got a 1625 dmg crossbow off Cydia in Act 3. The source where you got your information from is wrong. Act 3 drops can be better than Act 4.
 
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What armor value and level?

Does it seem that things with resists are what sell well? I'm guessing anything with str/vit + resists will sell for quite a bit for Inferno Barbs.

level 60, maybe a couple hundred armor. I don't think you can't get resist that high unless it's a high level item.
 

IeraseU

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Any reason to choose two handed weapons or dual wield over one handed + shield, as a barbarian? The DPS seems only to increase slightly.

Cheaper and better damage output at the higher levels. I've seen 1500 dps 2h weapons on the AH. The highest dps 1h weapon I've seen is about 1100, and that sells for outrageous amounts.
 

nanobreath

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Yes, it drops gear better than Act 4, its rare, but it can.

And by lv 60, I mean lv 60 requirement, not the "lv" of gear it is.

The secret level aka happy go fun pony land, as I call it, drops majority of Act 4 gear and some chance of what some dubbed as "act 5" gear, though really better called as Act 4+. And yes, that is what I meant, in the pony world on the level you are on, as it has to be Inferno Pony world.

I don't think you understand how drops work. Currently, inferno act 3, act 4, and ponies can drop up to ilvl 63 gear. It still requires player level 60 to use, but the "budget" an item has to spend on stats comes from its item level (ilvl). Ponies does not drop better than act 4, it drops equivalent to act 4 (and 3). The patch 1.03 will add the ability for even hell act 4 and ponies to drop ilvl 63 gear, though at a much reduced rate to the later acts in inferno. So while your earlier statement that ponies can drop the best gear in the game, it is not true that it is the ONLY place it can drop.
 

Wardawg1001

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RMAH has kind of killed the AH.

Just found a damn nice ring selling for a reasonable price on the gold AH. I haven't done much other searching, but I'm sure theres plenty of good stuff out there still. When people start to realize that people simply aren't willing to pay real money for something they are going to need to replace in a couple days, I think a lot more gear will gravitate back to the gold AH and off the RMAH.
 

Wardawg1001

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I don't think you understand how drops work. Currently, inferno act 3, act 4, and ponies can drop up to ilvl 63 gear. It still requires player level 60 to use, but the "budget" an item has to spend on stats comes from its item level (ilvl). Ponies does not drop better than act 4, it drops equivalent to act 4 (and 3). The patch 1.03 will add the ability for even hell act 4 and ponies to drop ilvl 63 gear, though at a much reduced rate to the later acts in inferno. So while your earlier statement that ponies can drop the best gear in the game, it is not true that it is the ONLY place it can drop.

Pretty sure ilvl 63 is still only going to drop in A1 Inferno, but not A4 Hell or Hell ponies (patch 1.03).
 
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