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Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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waggy#1889


add me! just hi tlevel 24 barb. but restarted a monk but think will stick with the barb.

Pfft, welcome to the club, I've restarted four different characters so far because a different friend is playing at a different time on a differerent level.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
2,051
1
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Pfft, welcome to the club, I've restarted four different characters so far because a different friend is playing at a different time on a differerent level.

Yeah, thats where I'm at right now. I started a DH last night but I'm going to use my Monk exclusively moving forward.
 

JamesV

Platinum Member
Jul 9, 2011
2,002
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Pro tip : sell stuff in the auction house instead of salvaging it, if it is good to great for any class.

I haven't even checked similar items before posting auctions; just figured how much gold someone might have at the item level, and fix my prices to that... made over 100,000 gold already easy without hardly any effort.

Seen alot of people talk about gold farming... don't need to at this point with so many low levels buying up stuff left and right.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
16,815
1
81
Pfft, welcome to the club, I've restarted four different characters so far because a different friend is playing at a different time on a differerent level.

Yeah kinda throws a wrench into the pick up and play together aspect. How does it handle vast differences in character level?
 

Tweak155

Lifer
Sep 23, 2003
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Not snipping to get to a point, rather to save space.

Firstly, you are the first person to accurately describe the real issue while raising it to question. D3 is a Multiplayer game with a single player component and has no OFFLINE single player option. This I am personally OK with as I'm only interested in multiplayer and would need internet anyway, although it does suck for those who couldn't care less for the multiplayer aspect.

Most my response comes from a programmer's view of things, and the explanation that best makes sense about the servers as that they set up hardware for the average server load, NOT the first day release. As much as this sucks from a customer perspective, it unfortunately makes complete sense from a business perspective. So, I opted not to play for the first week or 2 myself until the server load gets closer to the average balance that Blizzard (most likely) prepared for.

Even though I haven't experienced anything other than the beta, from what I've read it sounds like they actually did a pretty good job. I expected much worse, even though as a paying customer I shouldn't. The unfortunate truth is this is a company looking for long-term revenue, not to make you personally happy. This is the case with any company.

While I do like Blizzard games, I consider myself more of a realist. So if I defend any company or situation, it is because I truly believe they did well.

As for the gameplay itself, I cannot comment. But boy am I ready to play!
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
13,234
2
81
Most my response comes from a programmer's view of things, and the explanation that best makes sense about the servers as that they set up hardware for the average server load, NOT the first day release. As much as this sucks from a customer perspective, it unfortunately makes complete sense from a business perspective.

Yeah, it's just like running a business. You build your infrastructure (or staff) for the average, not the peak. Otherwise, you're buying things/hiring people that you're going to get rid of after a few weeks.

I don't know how Blizzard's servers are setup. It might have been possible for them to put up some Amazon cloud based servers for the first few weeks (which you pay for by the specs/uptime). That could have alleviated some of the launch headaches, if spinning up new servers isn't something that takes forever. Then they could have shut them down after a few weeks when demand goes back to normal.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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had to bail just before skelly last night so dropped in just for a moment now to see where it would have me restart (all the way back up at the beginning inside the dungeon). Did see several blue mobs when I logged so stayed in long enough to clear the first area and got about 8 blues and a nice new yellow shield.
 
Dec 26, 2007
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Not snipping to get to a point, rather to save space.

Firstly, you are the first person to accurately describe the real issue while raising it to question. D3 is a Multiplayer game with a single player component and has no OFFLINE single player option. This I am personally OK with as I'm only interested in multiplayer and would need internet anyway, although it does suck for those who couldn't care less for the multiplayer aspect.

Most my response comes from a programmer's view of things, and the explanation that best makes sense about the servers as that they set up hardware for the average server load, NOT the first day release. As much as this sucks from a customer perspective, it unfortunately makes complete sense from a business perspective. So, I opted not to play for the first week or 2 myself until the server load gets closer to the average balance that Blizzard (most likely) prepared for.

Even though I haven't experienced anything other than the beta, from what I've read it sounds like they actually did a pretty good job. I expected much worse, even though as a paying customer I shouldn't. The unfortunate truth is this is a company looking for long-term revenue, not to make you personally happy. This is the case with any company.

While I do like Blizzard games, I consider myself more of a realist. So if I defend any company or situation, it is because I truly believe they did well.

As for the gameplay itself, I cannot comment. But boy am I ready to play!

Yeah, I come from networking world and network/server admin. I think Blizzard did a commendable job with the release outside of the world release that I mentioned. Doing a regional release would have helped to mitigate that, but I am sure they had their reasons for it.

Yeah, it's just like running a business. You build your infrastructure (or staff) for the average, not the peak. Otherwise, you're buying things/hiring people that you're going to get rid of after a few weeks.

I don't know how Blizzard's servers are setup. It might have been possible for them to put up some Amazon cloud based servers for the first few weeks (which you pay for by the specs/uptime). That could have alleviated some of the launch headaches, if spinning up new servers isn't something that takes forever. Then they could have shut them down after a few weeks when demand goes back to normal.

I doubt it's something that could be cloud hosted. Most likely they have SANs in their data centers that have all the information on them, which would make any outside data center unable to quickly get to that information unless it was replicated locally.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
16,815
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Yeah, it's just like running a business. You build your infrastructure (or staff) for the average, not the peak. Otherwise, you're buying things/hiring people that you're going to get rid of after a few weeks.

I don't know how Blizzard's servers are setup. It might have been possible for them to put up some Amazon cloud based servers for the first few weeks (which you pay for by the specs/uptime). That could have alleviated some of the launch headaches, if spinning up new servers isn't something that takes forever. Then they could have shut them down after a few weeks when demand goes back to normal.

Yeah...the crazy thing about this is that after a solid decade of botched game launches by just about everyone, no one has figured out how to effectively build a reserve. Ultimately this is a software problem, not a hardware one. Blizz gets a pass only because the bar here is SO low.
 

Rage187

Lifer
Dec 30, 2000
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Stupid question, where do I pick up items I won through the auction house?


NM!
 
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darkewaffle

Diamond Member
Oct 7, 2005
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Yeah...the crazy thing about this is that after a solid decade of botched game launches by just about everyone, no one has figured out how to effectively build a reserve. Ultimately this is a software problem, not a hardware one. Blizz gets a pass only because the bar here is SO low.

There's no reason to overallocate; trivial reward with a large to potentially massive cost associated with it. Worst case scenario when aiming low is some short term bitching that people won't remember in a few weeks. Worst case scenario when aiming high is you have racks full of unused, expensive servers sucking up power that are full to the brim with highly valuable proprietary information.
 

KidNiki1

Platinum Member
Oct 15, 2010
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I have a really dumb question - where is the AH?

Login to the game, but don't "resume game". You'll see it on the left.

Stupid question, where do I pick up items I won through the auction house?


NM!

lol! i went through this exact same thing this morning. first, i couldn't figure out how to get to the AH (not reading login page FTL). then after i bought a few things, i resumed game and .... nothing in my inventory... nothing in my stash...WTH? leave game, go back to auction house, click on completed tab. theres my stuff. oh look, i have to send it to myself.

it's amazing what you can figure out by actually paying attention. which i clearly was not doing. heh.

now that i sort of know what i am doing AH-wise, i'm going to be upgrading quite a bit of my gear once I get home.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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There's no reason to overallocate; trivial reward with a large to potentially massive cost associated with it. Worst case scenario when aiming low is some short term bitching that people won't remember in a few weeks. Worst case scenario when aiming high is you have racks full of unused, expensive servers sucking up power that are full to the brim with highly valuable proprietary information.

I find it hard to believe a company like activision/blizzard can't find an eventual use for those servers. It's not like they're going to stop making games.

Right now someone hears about this great game called diablo 3, goes on amazon to buy it, and sees that it has 2 stars and all the reviewers say it doesn't work. Or they go on metacritic and see a 3.9 user score. Not everyone follows this stuff so closely, blizz games have a particularly long reach that many others dont. It's impossible to quantify how many sales they've lost and will continue to lose due to that, but it's probably not an insignificant amount.

Most people playing it won't remember next week...but the people who held off buying it might not care enough to give it a second look.
 

Miklebud

Platinum Member
Nov 20, 2002
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Loving the game so far! I've got three characters, two are 18ish, and another lowbie to keep up with a local friend.

Add me, if you want!!

xRapture#1782
 

tedrodai

Golden Member
Jan 18, 2006
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Has anyone found a Unique or a Page of Training yet?

I at 29 now, and have encountered dozens of rares but not a single unique or training item.

I didn't see anyone address this specific question, but the Pages of Training start dropping in Act 1 NM.
 

Redinit

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May 15, 2012
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There's no reason to overallocate; trivial reward with a large to potentially massive cost associated with it. Worst case scenario when aiming low is some short term bitching that people won't remember in a few weeks. Worst case scenario when aiming high is you have racks full of unused, expensive servers sucking up power that are full to the brim with highly valuable proprietary information.

Unused servers wouldn't suck up much power, and they can always shut them down if they don't need them anyway. Your points don't make much sense.
 

Tweak155

Lifer
Sep 23, 2003
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I find it hard to believe a company like activision/blizzard can't find an eventual use for those servers. It's not like they're going to stop making games.

Right now someone hears about this great game called diablo 3, goes on amazon to buy it, and sees that it has 2 stars and all the reviewers say it doesn't work. Or they go on metacritic and see a 3.9 user score. Not everyone follows this stuff so closely, blizz games have a particularly long reach that many others dont. It's impossible to quantify how many sales they've lost and will continue to lose due to that, but it's probably not an insignificant amount.

Most people playing it won't remember next week...but the people who held off buying it might not care enough to give it a second look.

Eventual use? A year later they can buy a better server for the same cost, not to mention the overhead of maintaining those servers and supplying connectivity.

Servers for large companies like Blizzard aren't PC's that just sit there and require no maintenance for a long period of time.
 

KaOTiK

Lifer
Feb 5, 2001
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So has anyone done the cow level yet? I'm thinking of buying the cowbell to do it, 100k though damnit!
 

Redinit

Member
May 15, 2012
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Except that it's a multiplayer game that you're choosing to play alone.

except you're wrong.

Which is it? I have never played any Blizzard games except Rock n' Roll Racing, and WoW, which I've only played for like 30mins.
I'm tempting to buy this game, soley for the ability to play online with other people. How does that work anyway, do you "help" other players complete missions?
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Eventual use? A year later they can buy a better server for the same cost, not to mention the overhead of maintaining those servers and supplying connectivity.

Servers for large companies like Blizzard aren't PC's that just sit there and require no maintenance for a long period of time.

Its not like activision/blizzard launches one game a year. Last year cod elite didnt work for a month or so. The same reserve capacity could have smoothed both launches. This year there's going to be another wow expansion. Another cod. Maybe another starcraft. All will require a disgusting amount of capacity during their launch window, only to have it precipitously drop thereafter.

If they had their shit together, they could handle this. Yes, it's inefficient if they overestimate or have a large reserve, but being the company that always nails a launch would make them unique, and probably more than pay for itself over time.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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leave game, go back to auction house, click on completed tab. theres my stuff. oh look, i have to send it to myself.

That's also where your money goes if you get outbid on something.

it's amazing what you can figure out by actually paying attention. which i clearly was not doing. heh.

now that i sort of know what i am doing AH-wise, i'm going to be upgrading quite a bit of my gear once I get home.

Yeah, it's really not that intuitive. They should allow you to go into the AH while in the game. Maybe if they want to avoid it being too much of a distraction, only allow it while in town.

Originally, I didn't want to buy as much because it felt like cheating to ruin the idea of getting gear by luck, which is really what Diablo is all about. For the most part though, it's really only your first character that gets screwed over. I have good gear in my stash for pretty much any other character type, because the game loves to drop uniques that are worthless for my Monk.

Also, I don't think it's a problem if we look at it the same way as WoW... at least in regard to loot rewards, the game doesn't "start" until Inferno.
 

HydroSqueegee

Golden Member
Oct 27, 2005
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well if someone can toss me a guest pass my way, i may be able to play for a bit. cant drop the cash on the game right now.

please? anyone?
 
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