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Laithan

Junior Member
May 15, 2012
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Not a valid point here or anything, just bitchin. The "next" error 37. Blizzard announced error 37 is "gone", it is sorta funny that the authentication error I am getting over and over right now is 300,008... just a bit interesting that it is almost like error "38" the, "next" error
 

ViviTheMage

Lifer
Dec 12, 2002
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If there is no Inferno and no ilvl 63 items, this game would be like old Diablo 2 where people just farmed Diablo on Hell difficulty over and over again for loot until the expansion came out. Then after the expansion, it was farming Baal over and over again on Hell difficulty.

You can do that right now in Diablo 3, farm Diablo on Hell difficulty over and over again without trouble with mediocre gear.

Inferno was intended to be a really hard challenge for people who wanted the challenge.

pindle > baal/diablo

c'mon guy.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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If there is no Inferno and no ilvl 63 items, this game would be like old Diablo 2 where people just farmed Diablo on Hell difficulty over and over again for loot until the expansion came out. Then after the expansion, it was farming Baal over and over again on Hell difficulty.

You can do that right now in Diablo 3, farm Diablo on Hell difficulty over and over again without trouble with mediocre gear.

Inferno was intended to be a really hard challenge for people who wanted the challenge.

I can say that about any given point of the game. If there was no Nightmare difficulty then you could just farm Diablo in normal. Heck, if there was no other quests you could just farm wretched mothers outside of New Tristram, but everyone will agree that is not what we want out of a Diablo game.

The point of farming is to get the best gear. What would the point of farming Hell be if someone can go spend 30 minutes in Inferno and get better gear then a month farming Hell? No matter what Blizzard intended, they made Inferno the endgame.

IF you wanted to make a level that was simply a challenge to test your skills equipment they would have had no items drop there. Then it would be viewed as a challenge, but instead they made it look and play just like the rest of the game, which makes it just like the rest of the game, and not a special case.

Overall, I would have liked it if they made a Torchlight style endless dungeon as a challenge mode.
 

fixbsod

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Jan 25, 2012
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I still feel the difficulty from A1-->A2 is ridiculous. I have an MF farming set for A1 (>215% MF w/5stks) and I can literally tank all day with my wizard and yet if I switch to my non MF gear I get whooped quickly. And yeah, I know you have to dodge more, twitch more, etc, which I do, but again how can I MF farm A1 all day long and then get whooped in A2 with stat gear??
 

darkxshade

Lifer
Mar 31, 2001
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Just got my 5m gold picked up achievement. So basically on just gold pick up, Id finally have picked up enough gold after all this time for what would be considered a decent upgrade... not a great upgrade... but a decent one. :\
 

waterjug

Senior member
Jan 21, 2012
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PLEASE tell me that this would at least sell. I'm still searching for my first item that sells for more than 100k on AH
 

waterjug

Senior member
Jan 21, 2012
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Honestly, and this is gonna hurt, but 50k? That isn't much damage for a 2h.




OK, I've played this game for 100 hours as of tonight. About 80 of that has been farming. I've accumulated 0 items that were sellable for even 100k. I haven't found enough iLevel 60+ to even completely outfit my barb. I can't afford 60+ at this point because of how out of whack the AH is. I know I know, some of you insist you can beat inferno with iLevel 13 gear or whatever. I can't. 99% of people can't. Inferno is supposed to be difficult, but if what's holding you back is the fact that you don't even have gear that gives you a punchers chance, you can't pay for it in AH, and it doesn't drop....well then what does that leave? RMAH & blizz getting their cut? Or putting down the game and spending that money on things like my gf. I'll let you guess which wins. I (and 90% of the people that play) play this game as a diversion from life and a chance to relax, not get smashed by one hit killers on A2 because the 4 days of game play you've accumulated haven't netted you a single worthy item.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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OK, I've played this game for 100 hours as of tonight. About 80 of that has been farming. I've accumulated 0 items that were sellable for even 100k. I haven't found enough iLevel 60+ to even completely outfit my barb. I can't afford 60+ at this point because of how out of whack the AH is. I know I know, some of you insist you can beat inferno with iLevel 13 gear or whatever. I can't. 99% of people can't. Inferno is supposed to be difficult, but if what's holding you back is the fact that you don't even have gear that gives you a punchers chance, you can't pay for it in AH, and it doesn't drop....well then what does that leave? RMAH & blizz getting their cut? Or putting down the game and spending that money on things like my gf. I'll let you guess which wins. I (and 90% of the people that play) play this game as a diversion from life and a chance to relax, not get smashed by one hit killers on A2 because the 4 days of game play you've accumulated haven't netted you a single worthy item.

I've probably blown a million or so on <300k gold buyout (usually 200k or less) items. A lot of shit is stupidly overpriced on the AH and never sell because of that. You can get decent items that will make it somewhat playable (i.e. from insta-rape to maybe take a few hits and enough time to kite for 2 hours).
 

Adrenaline

Diamond Member
Jun 12, 2005
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The problem with this game is the loot structure. You could find endgame items early in hell and I believe some stuff dropped in late NM. You knew what to search for. D2 LoD had it right when it came to loot and how to obtain it (outside of the top tier class being totally totally rare).

This game is all about rares and how pathetic 99.99% of them are. Rares need to be totally reworked or the legendary buff patch needs to come out immediately. Inferno is endgame and you get level 52 items in it, pathetic. They need to get rid of the lower tier level drops.

There is more to say o the looting issue but I am about to attempt a WoW raid, so I got to go.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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The problem with this game is the loot structure. You could find endgame items early in hell and I believe some stuff dropped in late NM. You knew what to search for. D2 LoD had it right when it came to loot and how to obtain it (outside of the top tier class being totally totally rare).

This game is all about rares and how pathetic 99.99% of them are. Rares need to be totally reworked or the legendary buff patch needs to come out immediately. Inferno is endgame and you get level 52 items in it, pathetic. They need to get rid of the lower tier level drops.

There is more to say o the looting issue but I am about to attempt a WoW raid, so I got to go.

I'm in A1 inferno now and I still get 150 dps 2H magic crossbows in elite drops
 

fustercluck

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2002
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I think they'll definitely have to make some big changes to keep people interested in the game. They are losing hundreds of players every day because of lost interest and because people are realizing it's a game where you have to spend money to buy good items if you want to progress through inferno.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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If people are disappointed by that patch then they are morons. That's not a patch, its a bug update. Even the version title tells you that.
 

diesbudt

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2012
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OK, I've played this game for 100 hours as of tonight. About 80 of that has been farming. I've accumulated 0 items that were sellable for even 100k. I haven't found enough iLevel 60+ to even completely outfit my barb. I can't afford 60+ at this point because of how out of whack the AH is. I know I know, some of you insist you can beat inferno with iLevel 13 gear or whatever. I can't. 99% of people can't. Inferno is supposed to be difficult, but if what's holding you back is the fact that you don't even have gear that gives you a punchers chance, you can't pay for it in AH, and it doesn't drop....well then what does that leave? RMAH & blizz getting their cut? Or putting down the game and spending that money on things like my gf. I'll let you guess which wins. I (and 90% of the people that play) play this game as a diversion from life and a chance to relax, not get smashed by one hit killers on A2 because the 4 days of game play you've accumulated haven't netted you a single worthy item.

A lot of the good items (not great, but definitely good and usable to move to the next act) can be found for a modest price on the AH. You just have to dig through and use the horrible UI of the AH to find it.

I spent maybe 1.2 million gold in all. That on top of finding gear or running with friends in which we give each other something that is good for them, My character was outfitted pretty well. He is geared enough to do Act 2 and Probably most if not all of Act 3.
 

diesbudt

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2012
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I'm in A1 inferno now and I still get 150 dps 2H magic crossbows in elite drops

Yea, weapons are hard to come by perfect ones as they almost must have min/max and damage % as an item stat roll to come out anywhere decent. And they are not set in stone just a possibility of a roll on them.
 

darkewaffle

Diamond Member
Oct 7, 2005
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OK, I've played this game for 100 hours as of tonight. About 80 of that has been farming. I've accumulated 0 items that were sellable for even 100k. I haven't found enough iLevel 60+ to even completely outfit my barb. I can't afford 60+ at this point because of how out of whack the AH is. I know I know, some of you insist you can beat inferno with iLevel 13 gear or whatever. I can't. 99% of people can't. Inferno is supposed to be difficult, but if what's holding you back is the fact that you don't even have gear that gives you a punchers chance, you can't pay for it in AH, and it doesn't drop....well then what does that leave? RMAH & blizz getting their cut? Or putting down the game and spending that money on things like my gf. I'll let you guess which wins. I (and 90% of the people that play) play this game as a diversion from life and a chance to relax, not get smashed by one hit killers on A2 because the 4 days of game play you've accumulated haven't netted you a single worthy item.

Part of the game is being able to identify what's worthwhile. I'd actually guess you've thrown away, sold, or salvaged items that would have been worth AHing. There are a lot of blue items worth selling even, but many people don't even look twice at them. Also you definitely do not need hundreds of millions of gold to clear inferno, just hundreds of thousands, maybe a couple million at most, if you know what to look for.

People just think they need so much gold because they do not know how to gear their character or use the AH effectively, so they just search for items with perfect stats and can't understand why it's so expensive.

You need, at best, mid range gear to beat and farm Inferno. No, midrange gear does not have 200 int and 200 vit and 75 resist all. It does not have 9% aspd and 30% crit damage and 10% crit and 500 life on hit. And no, mid range gear is not particularly expensive any more.

A couple weeks after release I started gearing up my barbarian for Inferno; I started looking for pieces of gear with 80 str, 80 vit, and 40 resist all, that was my starting point and some of the items I found doing that are the ones I'm still using to this day (long after clearing inferno and farming for quite a while, I know that's how I found my legs and my chestpiece at least). Perfectly acceptable stats for inferno, and back then those pieces ran me at least 300k+ each. There were only about 6-7 pages of them at any given time.

Now? There are 45+ pages of that same gear that's auction-only. There is so much of it available, you can't even see the buyouts available. When I searched for chestpieces only (a week or two ago), the lowest buyout was something like 100k. For a chest piece you could wear through almost all of Inferno, and I'd be willing to bet most other slots are even cheaper.

You say you can't sell anything because it's not worth anything. Turn that around and use it to your advantage.

And yes, random drops are random. For all the complaining about finding IL 50 stuff in Inferno, people seem to conveniently forget how you could find NM tier (and normal? I can't recall exactly) items all through Hell in D2. It's just how it works, either you castrate the drop rate or you broaden the spectrum of drops; you can't have good items dropping all the time, it just isn't sustainable.
 
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