**OFFICIAL** Diablo 3 Thread

[Brainonska511]

Can someone post the notes? I cannot access battle.net at work.

Diablo III Patch 1.0.3b – v.1.0.3.10485

Auction House

Bug Fixes
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• The "Bid" and "Buyout" buttons will now be correctly grayed-out in the confirmation window when attempting to purchase an item with insufficient gold

Bug Fixes

General
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• Fixed a bug where leaving a heavily-populated General chat channel would prevent players from rejoining any General chat channel until they logged out and logged back in.
• Fixed several tooltip-related bugs that were occurring when viewing items with 2 or more sockets in the auction house and profile pages.
• Fixed a rare crash with tutorials on item pickup

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know why people have this progression obsession. If I played a game that was only enjoyable when it gave me a reward, I wouldn't want to play it.

All a game needs to be is fun to play. I don't need a carrot on a stick, I don't need a pat on the back every time I do something for it to be worthwhile or fun. It's why I've enjoyed something like Bloodline Champions or Bastions of War (old NWN mod) for so long; even after the progression is gone/done you still have something that's just flat out enjoyable to play. To me at any rate.

I never got that from D2; once I defeated Baal and then solo'd it on my own, I couldn't find any reason to play because actually playing the game was such a bore. D3 is an improvement, and while it's never been a focus of the games so the result is still button mashy/spammy, the relative step up from D2 to D3 in terms of gameplay is still like going from Whac-a-Mole to chess. Even after I cleared Inferno, I still felt the desire to play for a number of weeks just because I liked being a Barbarian and I liked the multiplayer dynamics and I felt like my skills were fun buttons to press. Personally I do really enjoy 'playing' the AH so that did a lot for me as well.

Can you fix it? To me not really. It is what it is, the dungeon crawler genre (the "Diablo" genre if you want) is pretty set in it's ways; simple, dumb gameplay with lots of shiny items for people to chase after ad nauseum. Can you extend it? Certainly, but you'll just hit the same wall later.

So your idea of longevity is entertainment value solely based on your personal likes and dislikes. Noted.

I don't like to be rewarded every time, but once would be ok. I'm not using a single item that I've found. I don't mind searching the GAH, but choose not to use the RMAH. So I progress, but based on what items I can acquire at the GAH.

 

[gothamhunter]

lol @ those who say the AH is required to move foward.

 

[Rage187]

lol @ those who say the AH is required to move foward.

umm, have you made it to Act 2 Inferno?

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol @ those who say the AH is required to move foward.

Not everyone is an All-Star player. So yea, I need better gear than what I find in game. Otherwise, becoming an insta-cross wears thin quickly.

 

[waterjug]

Few questions - what is your MF gear at? What is your farming technique?

Thanks

btw - that's worth 50-100k on a good day.

% wise with 5x Neph I'm at 175% MF. I go 5x neph then go: warden - butcher - festering woods (just the two dungeons) - cemetery of forsaken - leoric's manor & highlands.

 

[waterjug]

Part of the game is being able to identify what's worthwhile. I'd actually guess you've thrown away, sold, or salvaged items that would have been worth AHing. There are a lot of blue items worth selling even, but many people don't even look twice at them. Also you definitely do not need hundreds of millions of gold to clear inferno, just hundreds of thousands, maybe a couple million at most, if you know what to look for.

People just think they need so much gold because they do not know how to gear their character or use the AH effectively, so they just search for items with perfect stats and can't understand why it's so expensive.

You need, at best, mid range gear to beat and farm Inferno. No, midrange gear does not have 200 int and 200 vit and 75 resist all. It does not have 9% aspd and 30% crit damage and 10% crit and 500 life on hit. And no, mid range gear is not particularly expensive any more.

A couple weeks after release I started gearing up my barbarian for Inferno; I started looking for pieces of gear with 80 str, 80 vit, and 40 resist all, that was my starting point and some of the items I found doing that are the ones I'm still using to this day (long after clearing inferno and farming for quite a while, I know that's how I found my legs and my chestpiece at least). Perfectly acceptable stats for inferno, and back then those pieces ran me at least 300k+ each. There were only about 6-7 pages of them at any given time.

Now? There are 45+ pages of that same gear that's auction-only. There is so much of it available, you can't even see the buyouts available. When I searched for chestpieces only (a week or two ago), the lowest buyout was something like 100k. For a chest piece you could wear through almost all of Inferno, and I'd be willing to bet most other slots are even cheaper.

You say you can't sell anything because it's not worth anything. Turn that around and use it to your advantage.

And yes, random drops are random. For all the complaining about finding IL 50 stuff in Inferno, people seem to conveniently forget how you could find NM tier (and normal? I can't recall exactly) items all through Hell in D2. It's just how it works, either you castrate the drop rate or you broaden the spectrum of drops; you can't have good items dropping all the time, it just isn't sustainable.

80 str / 80 vit / 40 chrom. gear and you cleared inferno & farmed it? That's literally what I had for everything other than my rings and I got one hit on A2 by regular creatures. What skills were you using??

 

[onza]

% wise with 5x Neph I'm at 175% MF. I go 5x neph then go: warden - butcher - festering woods (just the two dungeons) - cemetery of forsaken - leoric's manor & highlands.

Okay I would try to get your MF with 5stacks up to 200+%

Then do this run instead. Goal is to run and find AS MANY elite mobs as possible in the shortest amount of time

15-20 packs in 20-30mins is your goal then you remake.

1. Port to Northern Highlands - check for Watch Tower (due N) if not present remake.
2. Once Watch tower is found, port to Cathedral Level 3, run around for 1min and search for the Pack.
3. Port to Cemetery, port to each crypt and killed the elites, port back home, then waypoint back to cemetery
4. Port to Festering Woods, kill @ warrior + other dungeon
5. Port to Leoric's Manor and find the 1 pack.
6. Port to Watch Tower, kill all the packs
7. Port to Highland Crossing, find the Cave of the Moon.
8. End game/ remake

20-30minutes should have expired by this point, skip trash when possible.

Goodluck

 

[stag3]

lol @ those who say the AH is required to move foward.

there's no way you can get what you need (all armor pieces + weap etc..) for inferno act II and beyond w/o the AH. you may luck out and get 1 semi usable piece but
99.9% of drops are for other classes, and 99.9% of those drops have shit stats.
i don't even bother trying to AH those items anymore, i either salvage or just merchant fodder the crap

 

[fustercluck]

lol @ those who say the AH is required to move foward.

don't be trollin'! You know it's true!

Everything up until Inferno is pretty much easy squeezy. Even Act 1 inferno is really easy once you get the hang of it and get the right gear. In Inferno, you need gear with resistances. You want at least 600 to all resist, and you'll never find enough all resist gear on your own to make it happen, and even if you did, it would most likely be with other stats that aren't for your class. You need to use the AH to find equip with all resist and stats for your class, along with a fair chunk of vitality. AH is required to beat inferno.

Hell could definitely be beaten with only gear you have found, but not Inferno, unless you farm for equip for like 300 hours maybe. That would just be silly though

 

[onza]

don't be trollin'! You know it's true!

Everything up until Inferno is pretty much easy squeezy. Even Act 1 inferno is really easy once you get the hang of it and get the right gear. In Inferno, you need gear with resistances. You want at least 600 to all resist, and you'll never find enough all resist gear on your own to make it happen, and even if you did, it would most likely be with other stats that aren't for your class. You need to use the AH to find equip with all resist and stats for your class, along with a fair chunk of vitality. AH is required to beat inferno.

Hell could definitely be beaten with only gear you have found, but not Inferno, unless you farm for equip for like 300 hours maybe. That would just be silly though

Farm items that sell, make money off those items, buy items for self to progress.

 

[DrunkenSano]

AH helps a ton, that is true, but there is no reason anyone needs to buy gold with RL money or buy items with RL money to progress through Inferno at all. You may not find great items that you can use all the time, but that is what the AH is for. You trade great items for other great items in terms of gold. I for one enjoy the difficulty of Inferno, much more than the repeated easy runs back in Diablo 2. In the end though, the Diablo games are about having the joy of identifying rare loot and finding out it's great, not rushing to the end to kill the boss once.

The AH is a great thing in Diablo 3, it makes trading so much easier in the game compared to D2.

 

[SS Trooper]

don't be trollin'! You know it's true!

Everything up until Inferno is pretty much easy squeezy. Even Act 1 inferno is really easy once you get the hang of it and get the right gear. In Inferno, you need gear with resistances. You want at least 600 to all resist, and you'll never find enough all resist gear on your own to make it happen, and even if you did, it would most likely be with other stats that aren't for your class. You need to use the AH to find equip with all resist and stats for your class, along with a fair chunk of vitality. AH is required to beat inferno.

Hell could definitely be beaten with only gear you have found, but not Inferno, unless you farm for equip for like 300 hours maybe. That would just be silly though

My barb found his own weapon, rings, amy, chest, helm, belt(well my alt found it), and legs.

He had to buy his shield, wrists, shoulders, gloves, feet. The only reason I bought a shield is because it is mandatory for a Barb past act2 inferno. I'd perfer the 2hander I found if it was viable. Gloves and feet with decent slot specific stats and resist all are very hard to find. Wrists I havent found a decent pair myself, and shoulders I switch between 2 pairs, one I bought and one I found (MF for act1)

Some people farm for 100 hours and don't find a single upgrade for themselves. I played my barb for about 140 and geared most of him out from his own drops, random is random.

I just sold a ring for 3.5 million this weekend.

 

[silverpig]

So do any of you guys craft your own weapons?

Can you go back to hell, run through everything with MF gear on to pick up a ton of crap items, salvage it all, and then take your chances crafting? Or is it a waste of time?

 

[diesbudt]

1 Thing people should do, even though they believe it makes it harder (it isn't if you play with equally geared/skilled players) is to play group inferno.

So many more drops happen, and you can trade/share the dropped items. Meaning much higher chance to get a useful item, I know this worked for me.

 

[diesbudt]

So do any of you guys craft your own weapons?

Can you go back to hell, run through everything with MF gear on to pick up a ton of crap items, salvage it all, and then take your chances crafting? Or is it a waste of time?

The only good crafted items come from salvaging ilevel items 61+

So itd be better to run inferno acts for items to craft.

And No, I rarly craft.

 

[smackababy]

How often do patterns drop? I have two characters on Act 3 Inferno and have yet to see a single pattern. I have probably close to 200 hours on one and most of that was farming. Nothing yet. I guess the only one I got was the Staff of Herding plans.

 

[diesbudt]

How often do patterns drop? I have two characters on Act 3 Inferno and have yet to see a single pattern. I have probably close to 200 hours on one and most of that was farming. Nothing yet. I guess the only one I got was the Staff of Herding plans.

I found 4 pattern drops so far in Act 1 Inferno. That is with 100ish hours played on my character.

 

[bonkers325]

How often do patterns drop? I have two characters on Act 3 Inferno and have yet to see a single pattern. I have probably close to 200 hours on one and most of that was farming. Nothing yet. I guess the only one I got was the Staff of Herding plans.

pretty rare, i've only found 5 patterns, 3 of them crappy 4 prop patterns, 1 of them was a 5 prop hammer pattern, and 1 of them was a 6 prop bracer pattern that i sold for 19m. found the last two off of siegebreaker runs, after 1.03.

 

[darkxshade]

I got 2 6-prop patterns dropped in A3, a 2h daibo and 2h axe, such lousy luck. I'm just gonna hold onto it in case it ever becomes valuable. Also got a 5 prop quiver plan.


Anyone wanna buy 4 prop exalted sovereign mail plan? Lol I have like a dozen of these. I'm just saving it up so I'll one day shower a public game with it to unsuspecting noobs.

 

[waterjug]

How often do patterns drop? I have two characters on Act 3 Inferno and have yet to see a single pattern. I have probably close to 200 hours on one and most of that was farming. Nothing yet. I guess the only one I got was the Staff of Herding plans.

I've found at least 16. Only damn thing I do find most runs

 

[PimpJuice]

Part of the game is being able to identify what's worthwhile. I'd actually guess you've thrown away, sold, or salvaged items that would have been worth AHing. There are a lot of blue items worth selling even, but many people don't even look twice at them. Also you definitely do not need hundreds of millions of gold to clear inferno, just hundreds of thousands, maybe a couple million at most, if you know what to look for.

People just think they need so much gold because they do not know how to gear their character or use the AH effectively, so they just search for items with perfect stats and can't understand why it's so expensive.

You need, at best, mid range gear to beat and farm Inferno. No, midrange gear does not have 200 int and 200 vit and 75 resist all. It does not have 9% aspd and 30% crit damage and 10% crit and 500 life on hit. And no, mid range gear is not particularly expensive any more.

I disagree completely with everything you said. There's absolutely NO WAY you can run all of inferno with a couple million unless you spend HUNDREDS of hours farming inferno for gear. I'm on Act 4 and spent about 200 hours on the game and have bought nearly every piece of my gear, for way more than a "couple million".

Its obvious that the AH is there to make money for Blizzard. They spent a lot of time creating it, and you're a fool if you think they did it for free just for the sake of the consumers. I'm fine with it, just don't go telling everyone that you can beat inferno with a couple million and mediocre gear.

 

[darkewaffle]

So your idea of longevity is entertainment value solely based on your personal likes and dislikes. Noted.

I don't like to be rewarded every time, but once would be ok. I'm not using a single item that I've found. I don't mind searching the GAH, but choose not to use the RMAH. So I progress, but based on what items I can acquire at the GAH.

Yes, my ideas are based on my personal opinions. Aren't yours?

That's the whole point. Some people will find what they need, but many won't simply because loot varies. The Auction House provides you an avenue to turn those good items into gold which you can then turn into items for yourself. Take away the AH, and everything becomes many many times worse.

How often do patterns drop? I have two characters on Act 3 Inferno and have yet to see a single pattern. I have probably close to 200 hours on one and most of that was farming. Nothing yet. I guess the only one I got was the Staff of Herding plans.

They're not exceptionally rare, I've found 4-5 myself. Getting the right pattern is tough though, as it's hard to justify crafting anything other than the 6-property patterns ("Exalted Grand" items iirc). I think I only ever found one 5-property pattern and sold it.

80 str / 80 vit / 40 chrom. gear and you cleared inferno & farmed it? That's literally what I had for everything other than my rings and I got one hit on A2 by regular creatures. What skills were you using??

Frenzy > Sidearm
Warcry > Impunity
Revenge > Provocation
Leap > Iron Jump
Wrath > Insanity
Battle Rage > Marauder's Rage

Superstition, Tough as Nails, and Nerves of Steel

Is my typical build. For certain bosses I'd make changes, most notably Rakanoth for me but probably also Ghom and Diablo. You might want to drop Battle Rage, my gear's good enough now that I can use it though.

I only suggested that as a starting point really; it's good all around gear that will not cost you an arm and a leg. You'd probably do best if you got a bit more AR than that in some slots though and just sacrifice some Str. Luckily you can find things like Vit/AR blues with really high values to help pad your stats, I used a pair of just magic pants with like 130 vit and 55 AR for a long time really early on and you can find much better than that, and finding a high AR shield isn't too tough either. By the time I cleared Inferno (pre-patch also, so by now with the nerf I'd guess you could do fine with even less) I think I probably had around 750-800 AR, which isn't all that high considering how many slots you can get it in and the fact you get a 50% bonus to it from Warcry.

Also when searching for shields/shoulders/chests you may want to consider looking for Life% instead of Vit, people don't search for it nearly as much so you can find some better deals. Also, you don't need Str/Vit/AR on every piece. Sometimes getting one piece with just Str/AR and one piece with just Vit/AR is just as good and almost always going to be cheaper.

As a barbarian, a guy named Zrave has posted some useful stuff regarding gearing up and being successful on the cheap. His "one million gold challenges" are generally pretty useful, and show what you can do with not a lot of gold.

 

[diesbudt]

I disagree completely with everything you said. There's absolutely NO WAY you can run all of inferno with a couple million unless you spend HUNDREDS of hours farming inferno for gear. I'm on Act 4 and spent about 200 hours on the game and have bought nearly every piece of my gear, for way more than a "couple million".

Its obvious that the AH is there to make money for Blizzard. They spent a lot of time creating it, and you're a fool if you think they did it for free just for the sake of the consumers. I'm fine with it, just don't go telling everyone that you can beat inferno with a couple million and mediocre gear.

~100 hours, finished Act 3 inferno.

bought half my items on AH, most were under 200k.
Other half I found via farming solo or with a group in Act 1.

So you are wrong, some of it is luck sure, but the other half is knowing you dont need the very best items to do so, and bargin hunt on the AH.

Also, Blizzard doesnt make money on the Gold AH... I dont know why people use that in an argument for the AH being millions of gold for some items.

 

[darkxshade]

There's absolutely NO WAY you can run all of inferno with a couple million unless you spend HUNDREDS of hours farming inferno for gear.

I used to think that until I watched a few live streams of people running all of inferno on budget builds < 1m.