**OFFICIAL** FFXIV:ARR Thread

[tedrodai]

Hmm, well I hope it's not expensive! They've been really good about quality of life improvements in their incremental updates lately, too. I hope that continues as well.

 

[PowerYoga]

gimme personal houses and a personal plot. pls.

I would like to grow chocobo food and minions without taking up one of 3 precious slots.

 

[darkewaffle]

Patch is out, I read through the notes this morning and the only thing that really stood out to me was the beastman stuff, that's certainly the core of it. Though I did notice a bunch of new items were added that seem to be airship parts or related to airship building in some way which I'm curious to learn more about.

 

[tedrodai]

Don't get your hopes up. The airship parts are related to the Ixali quests. I did them real quick this morning before heading to work and got 95 reputation off the 3 daily quests + the daily quota thing. The daily quota quest is OP (at least the 1st one).

 

[PowerYoga]

airship pieces are for the ixial airship, not for us (yet).

Biggest changes I've seen:

- B rank hunts no longer give rewards and have a 3 second spawn. Daily marks and weekly marks rewards raised, you can now get like 30~ seals a day by doing dailies and 50 for the elite.
- Chocobo color seeds are in. (wtb more garden plots)

Ixial also gives a crafting glove reward. Compared to a max melded glove you lose 3 cp to gain 3 control. It's a sidegrade, but it'll be nice for me since I don't have a max melded glove for everyone just yet.

edit: I70 and I90 melds no longer give guaranteed IV materias. big nerf to novus.

 

[PowerYoga]

Seals are actually really easy to get now. I get about 15 a day without really trying to scramble for As and Ss, and the B ranks are always up now so it's very easy to find them for the weekly hunts.

This is the pace I like with the hunts.

On another note, anybody know how to color a silverish chocobo?

 

[darkewaffle]

White Mage Chocobo barding is mine! Finally 'maxxed' my choco, thank you Krakka Roots and challenge log. I should have some Thav Onion seeds in a couple days but they take forever to grow ><

Also the anniversary animations are brilliant lol. Champagne and campaign up in Eorzea!

 

[PowerYoga]

I've fed my chocobo tons of krakka roots but how can I tell if it's a favorite feed or not? Or does that only apply to curiel roots? I can't seem to "use" the root for my chocobo once i summon it.

 

[tedrodai]

When reading the chocobo companion thread on BG a few weeks ago, the consensus was krakka was outside the' favorite food' system. It can't become the favorite nor will it reset the current favorite if you feed it 10+ krakka in a row. I still haven't gotten around to the chocobo stuff yet and with 2.38 around the corner it'll probably be a while yet...gotta start making some money for personal housing!

 

[darkewaffle]

Yeah as far as I know Krakka cannot be a favorited food and is basically just a 'filler' food for you to use as it has no bonus effects and simply grants XP.

 

[PowerYoga]

that explains a lot. Is there a repeatable curiel root recipe?

 

[darkewaffle]

As far as loops go, I'm not sure for the choco foods, but I got some curiel seeds recently using Krakka and Honey/Sun Lemon, I forget which. But they're both extremely cheap normally. I only planted 3 plots of it, but I used the soil that yields more seeds/plants and even though only one of them intercrossed I got 9 curiel seeds (which I then used to produce Thav Onion seeds personally - and sold the roots themselves for quite a bit).

Not sure what the intercross rate is without Thanalan soil but since the return is so high with the yield soil you would only need 1 successful cross to come out ahead imo. If you get lucky enough to get 2 or 3 you'd have seeds for weeks.

 

[PowerYoga]

I might try to use grade 2s instead of grade 3s for some testing. Karakka seeds are sold by NPCs and I've got a ton of lemon seeds sitting around so i'll do a few crosses once a plot clears up.

 

[darkewaffle]

Maybe I got lucky (or have since been unlucky) but after a lot of fooling around with +yield soil since then I have gotten very very few successful crosses lol.

2.38 Patch notes released

I can't say there's anything too interesting in there. I am curious what the steps required for the next Relic segment are (and the new weapon models look kind of ridiculous/awesome, Bravura looks amazing especially) and I'm slightly interested in a personal house. But at the same time I haven't been playing much lately so I'll probably just hold off on any more real estate for now lol.

Really need to get around to finishing animus for my SCH, on my 7th book iirc. They're more time consuming than I expected lol.

 

[tedrodai]

I finished up my SCH novus about 2 weeks ago, but planned poorly for personal housing (only have 2M saved up). I'll be surprised if the small plots last through the day. *whimper*

S.E. is so careful with the affect of housing on the economy. I guess it ain't gonna work for me in the future to take the approach of "well there's nothing to spend it on, so why save up gil?" The economy seems healthier than ever at the moment, so I guess they're doing something right.

 

[PowerYoga]

I'm pissed about personal housing. It's terribly implemented... basically making FC housing available to purchase for players. Absolutely retarded, now small FCs will have to compete with players for houses and there's no way they will ever add enough wards to satisfy demand. The only way to get one now is to camp out infront of the crystal before a patch that adds more wards.

I don't think this is a bandaid solution intended to hold players over since YoshiP came out and said this is the way going forward. So every few patches you'll get 30 houses that you have to fight tooth and nail for.

Sad to see the first major ball drop by the dev team.

 

[tedrodai]

I don't see it as the first major ball drop, but I'm with you on it being a major drop. The coil lockouts are still pretty bad forcing people into little groups of 8. FC? What's that?

My current FC is pretty good actually, but is a more casual one run by one of my static members. But it still hurts to be unable to do meaningful stuff with most everyone.

SE misled people about the housing, too. I don't think they lied about it like some people say, but they pissed a lot of people off, that's for sure. I know of 12 people who decided this was the last straw and unsubbed , including the co-leaders of my last FC (a decent one, but way too big for me).

 

[darkewaffle]

housing as the last straw lol? even if it was super affordable they'd buy it, decorate it, and get bored in a week. it is not nearly as interesting as anyone thinks it is (from someone who owns a solo FC house and has gil to buy many, many more lol)

 

[PowerYoga]

That's the thing about housing. It's not about affordability, it's about AVAILABILITY. You can have 60m and not be able to get a house on hyperion because it's completely utterly sold out. The only thing you can do is buy a large plot, and most people don't WANT a big plot for personal housing.

For many it's fun and cool to decorate your own home, and its a little place to call your own. You won't be playing with it every day, but sometimes new things come out or you feel like redecorating. It's plain old content, content that's locked out for many people.

It may not be a big deal to you but many people were looking forward to finally getting into gardening, have chocobo stables, color their chocobos, etc. You're missing the fact that many small FCs and latecomers to the games DON'T HAVE HOUSES. There's a lot of people in small tiny FCs of real life friends that just can't get a plot and don't have enough money for larges, and plots are not relinquished or abandoned even if nobody in the FC plays anymore.

Not to mention 99% of the plots filled out months ago and even the mediums, at their full retail price, are mostly gone from the new wards. The only way you can get a house right now is if you join a big FC, and then you won't get to use the gardens or move anything around since you're a lowly member that never contributed. Nevermind the fact that if you have millions of gil, you are likely the exception and not the rule no matter how simple you think it is to make gil.

If you have a house, you are the exception and not the rule.

And Yoshi P outright lied about the housing, lets not sugar coat it. He said:

1) Housing will be completely separate from the FC houses and be different
2) Prices will be much lower

Neither of which are true and cannot be interpreted in any other way.

 

[darkewaffle]

I'm surprised the demand is that high, I'm on Leviathan which is one of the busier/bigger servers as I understand it and there had been S/M plots available for a very, very long time (particularly in the Goblet which people don't seem to favor as much as Mists/LavBeds).

I can't say I've looked at the availability recently, but mine is in like... Ward2 of LavBeds and some of the empty S/M plots I walk by/can see from the Market Board only just filled over the last 4-6 weeks.

 

[PowerYoga]

It may depend on your server. Hyperion has been sold out for months and all of the small plots were gone within 15 minutes of server opening, and most mediums were gone a few days later. The only things left are large plots. Not so ironically furniture and furniture material sell very well on my server.

 

[tedrodai]

Levi isn't as busy as you think if availability is as high as you imply. Excalibur is like Hyperion. Of course, our 2 servers are lecacy, so we can't speak for all servers, but many servers deal with the situation he describes.

 

[tedrodai]

And Yoshi P outright lied about the housing, lets not sugar coat it. He said:

1) Housing will be completely separate from the FC houses and be different
2) Prices will be much lower

Neither of which are true and cannot be interpreted in any other way.

Well, I guess if he said that... It's so hard to keep track of quotes, since they come from interviews all over the place. The only concrete info I remembered was price > 850k.


Oh, and to add to the availability issue, on excal the small plots in LL were sold out when I logged in Tues morning before heading to work. I didn't check the others.

Edit again: sorry I was just skimming posts earlier instead of reading fully, and I see that PY already touched on how quickly small plots sold.

 

[darkewaffle]

Oh, Hyperion is legacy? I didn't realize and think that would explain it, I'm under the impression there's a lot more gil floating around on them - though the server groupings for prices don't seem to reflect that.

I'm surprised the prices for the Legacy servers weren't substantially higher than those for the "top" non-legacy servers really. There's a good chance it's gil that keeps plots available on my server still.

 

[PowerYoga]

I believe hyperion is in the 2nd highest tier of costs for housing (our large plots start at 85~M and medium at 35+). Behemoth is one of the highest ones with large plots starting at 120M I believe.

All of the communities (JP and EU included) are basically calling yoshida a liar at the moment and there's a severe amount of trust lost between him and the community. He's doing damage control by saying people misinterpreted what he said previously, but there's very few ways you can interpret "the pricing will be different/much lower than FC housing" and that "personal housing will be separate from FC housing". Personal housing is just a copy-paste and is a complete afterthought.

The current way of implementing "Personal" housing is lazy and if it continues on its course, will become a perk for older players instead of a feature that new players can enjoy. They'll either enforce draconian measures to release houses from inactive players or make so many wards that it'll be impossible to manage. Or the worst option: they stay course and the housing situation remains an option only for those who jumped in early and forever out of reach for any casual player.

There's no other way to resolve this other than to create a whole new system, which is what we expected and didn't get. Making more wards might be a viable solution for small servers but there are 30-40k players on bigger servers. Even if they double the ward sizes only 1% of the server will get houses if you count mediums and bigs. Given how this is barely a footnote for them in this patch and yoshida's lies, personal housing looks to be dead at the moment.