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AdamK47

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Originally posted by: PoopyPants
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

My reply to them was very basic and in your face.
I said ever since the onset of the IRQ system my Intel and Microsoft it has been a known and 100% fact that more than one device on an IRQ can potentially cause issues.
usually this is not the case unless they are key resource hungry components.
Using devices such as Video and lan together is bad, or Sound and Video, that is a 100% no no, you do not do this.
Several usb devices on the same IRQ as video or audio will absolutely cause you issues.
Poor video performance, poor sound performance such as crackling and popping, disappearing devices, Slow usb performance, ie mouse lag, or slow data rates.
Poor networking performance as the other resources are busy dealing with the other device instead of the lan.
For you people to not know this and deny it and then tell me to provide you with proof that is over a decae old and knowledge that you have to have to pass your A+ exam is rediculous, and i cant believe your blatant childish and standoff-ish attitude.


they failed to reply back but i have pictures showing gigabyte trying to openly blatantly and retardedly trying to lie and high issues from their customers.
the stupid tech guys sent me some pictures of the board for an issue i was having where they clearly tried to lie to me about not having the sam eissue and they didnt even have the hardware installed in the pictures, not any of the pictures. and they showed device manager and said "see no issues" and they didnt even have the stupid device installed

this is the type of retarded uneducated and worthless tech support from gigabyte.
i urge anyone and all of you to never call them unless its for an rma.


anyways.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

What's wrong with odd IRQs for a sound card? Are you refering to odd as unusual or odd as in odd number? Back in the DOS days I remember a sound card commonly using an IRQ of either 5 or 7. I went into the BIOS and set the IRQ for the PCI slot my X-Fi is on to 7. Booted into Windows and reinstalled the driver. After rebooting I had a working sound card. I've rebooted only three times, but so far it's good.


my point is, as it sounds like from your comments you been around in the same days i have been, irq's cant be overloaded, no matter it its windows 98 or XP, XP can manage them better and they wont react as badly as th eold os's but still you cant shove resource hungry hardware all on teh same IRQ. it can and will cause issues. even if its simply performance issues you just need to have better IRQ placement.
That is the main reason why ACPI expanded the IRQ list to 27 (i think it is 27 or is it 25, i forget.) hardware was getting too crowded, and issues started arrising)
So now you have gigabyte who takes almost all of the main components of your PC and shovbes them all on IRQ's 18 and 19. wtf do they expect.

my comment of knowing which IRQ you are reserving is a true statement.
Dont take the same IRQ that your realtime clock is sitting on and put it to something.
very specific hardware uses the same IRQ almost all the time, and if you use that IRQ for something else, well you get the idea.

i simply stated and stand by my previous statement.
check your IRQ list before you go reserving one. just make sure its not overloaded.
not only that but if you, say reserve IRQ 14, and 14 has some major components on it, they will be forced to another IRQ and if another IRQ isnt free or if windows known not to use that other IRQ, then what is going to happen ? its going to get put on another over populated IRQ or not put on an IRQ at all and you will get BSOD or non booting issues.

alot of scenerios can take place so just look before you leap.

if you guys try this and it actually works.... please report it .. people need to know that this fix actually works!

I just got done with more testing and I'm unhappy to report that this method DOES NOT WORK! I've used IRQ 5, 7, 10, 12, 15. About 25% of the time Windows will boot with the lovely PC speaker for sound. Anyone have a real fix or do I have to wait for GigaByte to fix it?

Edit: Just to make things clear, no matter what I set the IRQ to in the BIOS, Windows will still assign the card an IRQ of 18. That is, when the card is actually detected correctly by windows. Same thing for my DLink wireless network card. I can set it to anything in the BIOS, but Windows will assign it IRQ 19. The POST summary screen does show the IRQ I set in the BIOS. Changing the IRQ manually in the BIOS for an X-Fi card will not fix the Windows detection problem.
 

Ricochet

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Oct 31, 1999
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AdamK47, did you check in Device Manager which IRQ is free? View by resource.

I found IRQ 3 to be unused by anything, so that is what I set in the Bios. When I get to Windows it automatically assign IRQ 20, but so far it works for me.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: ricochet
AdamK47, did you check in Device Manager which IRQ is free? View by resource.

I found IRQ 3 to be unused by anything, so that is what I set in the Bios. When I get to Windows it automatically assign IRQ 20, but so far it works for me.

Yes, did that with IRQ 5. Same thing.

Try rebooting multiple times. Don't cycle the power off and on. Do a restart from Windows.
 

memories2002

Senior member
Apr 2, 2002
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I just got my DS3 up and running today, and here are a few issues i would love some help with:
1 - The pc speaker BEEPS, indicating a POST, and THEN the cpu and case fans spin up. Weird?
2 - Transcend 512MB ddr667, Corsair Value 1gb ddr667, Twinmos Value 256mb ddr533 ALL refuse to run in dual channel mode. Running the transcend in single channel mode. WTF???
 

Undersea

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Nov 1, 2005
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1) Thats normal. Intel does it differnet then AMD. Wait tillyou push the OC with Auto volts. Some stange sounds made.

2)Matching sets? What DDR slots?
 

memories2002

Senior member
Apr 2, 2002
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We dont get matching kits easily here in india, so i got 2 of the same size, brand and speed, each of t he 3 times i had the same issue. The board tries to spin up the fans and boot, but doesnt suceed. No beep, no POST no nothing..
Single channel sucks
 

modestninja

Senior member
Jul 17, 2003
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Originally posted by: Airjarhead
Howdy,
I'm going to take the plunge and go Conroe. I'm going to get a DS3 (or S-3 since they are the same except the caps + Price ), and I had a few questions:

1) I see some people are using a Thermalright Ultra-90 or 120. Which way does the fan face when the whole thing is mounted (I really hope it doesn't face down toward the NB, or to the front toward the RAM)?

2) I've seen a few people post that they had this RAM working with this board, but I wanted to double check to make sure no one had issues. It's Kingston HyperX KHX6000D2K2/2G 2GB Kit DDR2-750:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85016-58

3) I've heard the Northbridge gets really hot. Is there any aftermarket cooler I can put on it? I've got a few Thermalright NB heatsinks (that I used on various Nforce NBs), but the holes look like they are pretty far apart on these 965 boards.


Thanks

1) I have the Ultra-120 on here and I have it facing towards the outake fan at the back of my case with the fan blowing in that direction. If I remember correctly you could basically orient the fan in any of the four directions.
 

imported_Airjarhead

Senior member
Dec 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: modestninja
Originally posted by: Airjarhead
Howdy,
I'm going to take the plunge and go Conroe. I'm going to get a DS3 (or S-3 since they are the same except the caps + Price ), and I had a few questions:

1) I see some people are using a Thermalright Ultra-90 or 120. Which way does the fan face when the whole thing is mounted (I really hope it doesn't face down toward the NB, or to the front toward the RAM)?

2) I've seen a few people post that they had this RAM working with this board, but I wanted to double check to make sure no one had issues. It's Kingston HyperX KHX6000D2K2/2G 2GB Kit DDR2-750:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85016-58

3) I've heard the Northbridge gets really hot. Is there any aftermarket cooler I can put on it? I've got a few Thermalright NB heatsinks (that I used on various Nforce NBs), but the holes look like they are pretty far apart on these 965 boards.


Thanks

1) I have the Ultra-120 on here and I have it facing towards the outake fan at the back of my case with the fan blowing in that direction. If I remember correctly you could basically orient the fan in any of the four directions.


Awesome, Thanks!

Anyone else know if the NB Heatsink has standard holes, and if I can use any aftermarket chipset cooler without mods?
Anyone know about the ram?
 

Ricochet

Diamond Member
Oct 31, 1999
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Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: ricochet
AdamK47, did you check in Device Manager which IRQ is free? View by resource.

I found IRQ 3 to be unused by anything, so that is what I set in the Bios. When I get to Windows it automatically assign IRQ 20, but so far it works for me.

Yes, did that with IRQ 5. Same thing.

Try rebooting multiple times. Don't cycle the power off and on. Do a restart from Windows.

Rebootx5 from windows. X-Fi is detected properly each time for me.
 

Prof3ssorChaos

Junior Member
Oct 15, 2006
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Does anyone know if there is a setting in the bios or maybe a program I can download that automatically shuts down the computer if the CPU reaches a certain temperature?

I'm a n00b to overclocking and I'm trying to be as cautious as I can. Also, this is my first on these forums. Hi everyone
 

AndeeG

Member
Oct 18, 2006
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As you can tell i'm new here and this is my first post. so... hi!

Anyways, i'm hoping to build my first computer in the near future. I fairly tech-savvy and i'm taching a computer tech class right now so the actual building and most of the component selection shouldn't be much of a problem. I'll probably not overclock initially but i want to leave that option for later. The P965-DS3 has been reccomended to me on a few occasions. My question is, is this a decent board for an overclocking noobie? I don't need insane speeds or anything just ease of use and hopefully reliability.
 

NDJeff

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Mar 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: PoopyPants
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: PoopyPants
***regarding the IRQ/X-Fi issue****

And i said to do this months ago when the Issue first came about but did anyone listen to me.. noooooooooo....

if no one has noticed the friggin DS3 shoves almost all the PCI/PCI-E/USB devices all on 2 IRQ's. most of them but not all of them
they are IRQ 18 and 19.

i spoke with gigabyte about this and their response was, and i quote this from memory but know it is a 100% accurate quote.
"Please provide us with proof that having more than 1 device on an IRQ causes issues"

My reply to them was very basic and in your face.
I said ever since the onset of the IRQ system my Intel and Microsoft it has been a known and 100% fact that more than one device on an IRQ can potentially cause issues.
usually this is not the case unless they are key resource hungry components.
Using devices such as Video and lan together is bad, or Sound and Video, that is a 100% no no, you do not do this.
Several usb devices on the same IRQ as video or audio will absolutely cause you issues.
Poor video performance, poor sound performance such as crackling and popping, disappearing devices, Slow usb performance, ie mouse lag, or slow data rates.
Poor networking performance as the other resources are busy dealing with the other device instead of the lan.
For you people to not know this and deny it and then tell me to provide you with proof that is over a decae old and knowledge that you have to have to pass your A+ exam is rediculous, and i cant believe your blatant childish and standoff-ish attitude.


they failed to reply back but i have pictures showing gigabyte trying to openly blatantly and retardedly trying to lie and high issues from their customers.
the stupid tech guys sent me some pictures of the board for an issue i was having where they clearly tried to lie to me about not having the sam eissue and they didnt even have the hardware installed in the pictures, not any of the pictures. and they showed device manager and said "see no issues" and they didnt even have the stupid device installed

this is the type of retarded uneducated and worthless tech support from gigabyte.
i urge anyone and all of you to never call them unless its for an rma.


anyways.

the bios in the DS3/DS4/DQ6 allows you top set the IRQ's to Auto or PCI Device.
By all means try it but you need to understand what your doing.
Make sure you have a free IRQ or less populated one when you do this.
If you put the sound card on a populated or odd or infact wrong IRQ this can throw your entire system for a loop and may cause it to not even boot anymore.
so check your current available IRQ's before doing this.

What's wrong with odd IRQs for a sound card? Are you refering to odd as unusual or odd as in odd number? Back in the DOS days I remember a sound card commonly using an IRQ of either 5 or 7. I went into the BIOS and set the IRQ for the PCI slot my X-Fi is on to 7. Booted into Windows and reinstalled the driver. After rebooting I had a working sound card. I've rebooted only three times, but so far it's good.


my point is, as it sounds like from your comments you been around in the same days i have been, irq's cant be overloaded, no matter it its windows 98 or XP, XP can manage them better and they wont react as badly as th eold os's but still you cant shove resource hungry hardware all on teh same IRQ. it can and will cause issues. even if its simply performance issues you just need to have better IRQ placement.
That is the main reason why ACPI expanded the IRQ list to 27 (i think it is 27 or is it 25, i forget.) hardware was getting too crowded, and issues started arrising)
So now you have gigabyte who takes almost all of the main components of your PC and shovbes them all on IRQ's 18 and 19. wtf do they expect.

my comment of knowing which IRQ you are reserving is a true statement.
Dont take the same IRQ that your realtime clock is sitting on and put it to something.
very specific hardware uses the same IRQ almost all the time, and if you use that IRQ for something else, well you get the idea.

i simply stated and stand by my previous statement.
check your IRQ list before you go reserving one. just make sure its not overloaded.
not only that but if you, say reserve IRQ 14, and 14 has some major components on it, they will be forced to another IRQ and if another IRQ isnt free or if windows known not to use that other IRQ, then what is going to happen ? its going to get put on another over populated IRQ or not put on an IRQ at all and you will get BSOD or non booting issues.

alot of scenerios can take place so just look before you leap.

if you guys try this and it actually works.... please report it .. people need to know that this fix actually works!

I just got done with more testing and I'm unhappy to report that this method DOES NOT WORK! I've used IRQ 5, 7, 10, 12, 15. About 25% of the time Windows will boot with the lovely PC speaker for sound. Anyone have a real fix or do I have to wait for GigaByte to fix it?

Edit: Just to make things clear, no matter what I set the IRQ to in the BIOS, Windows will still assign the card an IRQ of 18. That is, when the card is actually detected correctly by windows. Same thing for my DLink wireless network card. I can set it to anything in the BIOS, but Windows will assign it IRQ 19. The POST summary screen does show the IRQ I set in the BIOS. Changing the IRQ manually in the BIOS for an X-Fi card will not fix the Windows detection problem.


Same here, it doesn't matter what I set the IRQ to in BIOS, windows ignores it and puts the card on IRQ 18 anyhow. I can try any open IRQ and get the same result, Xfi on IRQ 18.
 

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
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What's the best way to flash the bios for this board? I won't flash from Windows; gotta be nuts to do that.

I know there's a flash utility built into the bios, but can you also boot from a DOS floppy, then flash the old fashioned way? I downloaded the F7 bios, unzipped it, and there's a flash utility in there along with the bios.

Will the old fashioned way work?
 

darkhorror

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Aug 13, 2006
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Running DS3 with F7, had same problem with F6 bios

Can't take the FSB past 445*4, memory and cpu are fine tried the ram up to 900 using 360x2.5 which worked fine, also tried CPU at 445*6 which gave same problem as 445*7.

It runs fine at FSB 430*4, with normal voltage, but at 445 orthos gives me an error or the system just locks up. I have tried raising the voltages to +.2, but that didn't do anything. The only thing I can think of is that some part is running too hot. Now I do have a fan on the northbridge. But case airflow isn't that great. Anyone else having a problem like this? I had thought of going back to F5 bios and trying it out unless someone had another idea.
 

you2

Diamond Member
Apr 2, 2002
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What ram do folks recommend for this board? I probably won't overclock (or not much). The ram I've been considering are:
mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model 996527 (245 shipped after rebate)
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 ($230 shipped after rebate)
(note these are not the more expensive 6400c4 which are $280)

Do either of these work or do you recommend something else? (my gut feeling is that they are identical). Note that while I'm not overclocking i would really like the system rock stable so I can run it 24/7 for a year without rebooting.
 

Ricochet

Diamond Member
Oct 31, 1999
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Originally posted by: MichaelD
What's the best way to flash the bios for this board? I won't flash from Windows; gotta be nuts to do that.

I know there's a flash utility built into the bios, but can you also boot from a DOS floppy, then flash the old fashioned way? I downloaded the F7 bios, unzipped it, and there's a flash utility in there along with the bios.

Will the old fashioned way work?

The old fashion way is the recommended method. Just put the 3 files onto your bootable Dos floppy and you're good to go. Notice that one of the file is "autoexec.bat" which contains a command line to run the flash utility on bootup.
 

imported_Airjarhead

Senior member
Dec 29, 2004
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I've read 2 things that concern me lately:

1) The IRQ issue. I just looked in my device manager on my current rig (DFI NF4 Ultra-D) and not one of my IRQs are shared. If Gigabyte are lumping a bunch of things on to a few IRQs, then how can I make sure things get spread out?

2) The lower Overclocks with F6 and F7 BIOS. Do people recommend I go with the F5 BIOS?


Thanks
 

you2

Diamond Member
Apr 2, 2002
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Is this irq sharing specific to ds3 or generic to the p965? (foxconn board does the same thing).
 

tommo123

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Sep 25, 2005
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hiya guys, need some help please

i am starting to think that my new DS3 (F5) mobo is borked.

its doing weird things. i'm trying to install windows on it but even tho the drives i've used have fat 32 or ntfs partitions on it, the installation of XP doesnt recognise it as valid for windows. the same is true even after deleting the partition and creating a new one. windows sees it, lets me pick it to install but then says its not valid

this is for a partition that had XP on it on a diff PC. tried on pata and sata drives that are fine in other pcs and have had windows on them at various points. tried diff sata/ide cables and still the same

tried the same cd i always used to install XP and even downloaded one in case mine went weird - still the same.

also, it wont let me update the bios either. tried through the bios - it finds the file on my floppy drive but says its the wrong size. when i try through a boot cd going to dos it just opens the program, goes through the motions and nothing happens.

the bios is still F5 when all is done.

i've tried this with the bios on a floppy and a cd. both checked and read fine, no errors on either. for some reason the mobo just wont update it.

any chance my mobo is borked?

i'm going to try and force an image of another pc onto it via acronis true image and see what happens.
 

LimitBreak

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Oct 18, 2006
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/hdd.jpg

This is my hdd benchmark on a S3 *but should be the same*
2 x 320gig seagate barracuda 7200.10 Raid 0

I removed the jumpers on the back of the hard drives too

i got them int he jmicron sata ports and installed the gigabyte raid configurer

shouldnt this be faster?? this is my first raid and sata setup, but that doesnt appear to be running at the full potential does it?
 

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
31,528
3
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Speaking of removing the jumper on the HD...

I have a Seagate 320GB 7200.9 drive. I had it in my old system on an NF2 motherboard with the jumper on. It was fast and quiet.

I removed the jumper when I put the drive in my DS3 system; now the drive is fast and loud as heck! Seek noise is freaking LOUD. There's nothing wrong with the drive; I've heard dying drives before. It's as fast as it was before, but the noise level has doubled.

The only thing that changed was I removed the jumper...any ideas?
 

memories2002

Senior member
Apr 2, 2002
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Originally posted by: MichaelD
Speaking of removing the jumper on the HD...

I have a Seagate 320GB 7200.9 drive. I had it in my old system on an NF2 motherboard with the jumper on. It was fast and quiet.

I removed the jumper when I put the drive in my DS3 system; now the drive is fast and loud as heck! Seek noise is freaking LOUD.
....

There was a 9 series 320gb model??
And whats this news about a new bios? Is it confirmed?
 
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