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jcgrcm

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If you look at document 31305602.pdf (the tech spec for the ICH8), on page 162 there is a block that shows the feature set with/without ahci. You do get the 3 GB/s transfer speed and the staggered spinup, but none of the other feature such as NCQ (that seems a decelerator anyway from much of the benches I have seen). It does say

Note: SATA interface transfer rates are independent of UDMA mode settings. SATA interface
transfer rates will operate at the bus?s maximum speed, regardless of the UDMA mode
reported by the SATA device or the system BIOS.

So I think things are ok on transfer rate front, it is just all the other good stuff we are missing out on. How do you specify the stagger rate? In SCSI it is usually just seconds x the scsi id; for SATA is it seconds X sata port?

 

ali.tayyab

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Originally posted by: xboxist
Well that stinks. I just bought two SATA drives for my computer that I'm building. I would like to return this motherboard, but it's certainly not the only board out there with issues right now. Can ACHI be implemented via a future BIOS update? Or is it a lack of hardware on the board?


the only things u are missing are ncq, and hot plugging. coming from a k8n plat neo4 which did support ncq (no hot plug though), i would say that there has been no performance impact. , although my current sys has only 1gb ram, while my amd setup had 2gb.

using a ide emu mode doesnt limit performance. u might get a lower score in some benchmarks/ tests but real world performance is the same i.e. peak i/o at 3gb/sec.

 

imported_Indigo

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h2bench test is reporting core (interface) speed of 110MB/s. That equals to ATA133. I don't think this emulation mode is giving 3gb peak. If it would, h2bench reported values between 150-200MB/s
 

xboxist

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Originally posted by: Indigo
h2bench test is reporting core (interface) speed of 110MB/s. That equals to ATA133. I don't think this emulation mode is giving 3gb peak. If it would, h2bench reported values between 150-200MB/s

Can anyone else confirm this with your own testing?
 

ali.tayyab

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here's an extensive look at this from m$:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/serialATA_FAQ.mspx

the important bit:
The Emulating Parallel ATA mode defines a transfer level equivalent of parallel ATA for Serial ATA controllers. In this mode, a Serial ATA controller can emulate master-only (device 0) parallel ATA or shared channel parallel ATA. In master-only parallel ATA emulation, the Serial ATA controller presents itself to the computer as a parallel ATA controller with only a single master storage device attached to a channel. In shared channel parallel ATA emulation, the controller uses two Serial ATA channels, each only attach to a single storage device, as a single parallel channel attaching two storage devices. Both forms of emulation work with Serial ATA controllers that use Windows parallel ATA (atapi.sys) drivers.

Beyond configuration emulation requirements, Emulating Parallel ATA mode restricts the controller from doing Native Serial ATA mode functionality described in the next section. Another notable distinction is that parallel ATA has many transfer modes each with a unique transfer speed associated with it. Serial ATA emulating Parallel ATA mode controllers also must support parallel ATA transfer modes, but its transfer speed is much faster then all parallel ATA transfer modes. While Serial ATA controllers operate at higher transfer speeds it is possible for them to claim to operate in slower parallel ATA transfer modes such as Programmed Input/Output (PIO)

further:
Native Serial ATA Mode

The advanced features that can be utilized in native mode revolve around improvements to the Serial ATA interconnect. The feature that has generated the most interest in this area is hot plugging, which allows an end user to remove a storage device from a Serial ATA controller while a system is running. This is useful for RAID systems and notebook docking stations with built-in storage devices. However, hot plugging should not be attempted with a system's primary boot device.

Another improvement is finer grained power management. In addition to doing power management on Serial ATA storage devices, the Serial ATA controller itself can be managed so that unused parts of the controller can be put into lower power modes to conserve electricity.

Finally there are features for Serial ATA drivers. There are new control, error and status registers that allow the Serial ATA controller to pass information to the driver about Serial ATA specific features. Also the Serial ATA interconnect configures its own transfer rate so that the driver no longer needs to.


 

DeadlyEffort

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Hey guys,

I downloaded and installed MQ96510J.86A.1176.EB.EXE the other day. The installation went fine and my computer rebooted and started up windows as normal. Thinking everything was fine, I turned it off for the night. Now my computer will not turn on at all. The LEDs will light up for a split second and the fans will start to spin, but that is all. It will continue to repeat this about every 3 seconds. I have always had to boot this computer by pressing the power button again after about 3 seconds (I think this is somewhat normal with this board) however this method no longer works. Previously the computer would maintain power throughout the time period and then start to die, at which point another press of the power button would save it.

Things I have tried so far

1) Took apart and rebuilt my computer to check for short circuits and loose wires

2) Moved the jumper pin to 2-3 and tried to boot Setup

3) Removed the jumper pin and tried to initiate BIOS recovery

4) Removed the board's battery to reset the BIOS

Specs

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner W/ LightScribe - OEM

COOLER MASTER Praetorian 730 RC-730-KSN1 Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

OCZ PC2 5400 1024MB Dual CH Value Pro Series 5-5-5-10 (2)

Antec NEO HE550 Power supply ( internal ) - ATX12V 2.2/ EPS12V - AC 100-240 V - 550 Watt - 15 output connector(s)

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe Processor 1.86GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 2MB Cache

ATI radeon X1900

Oh, I forgot to mention this. I just remembered that when the computer was rebooting after installing the new BIOS it displayed the message "Memory size decreased".
 

imported_Indigo

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quote:

Oh, I forgot to mention this. I just remembered that when the computer was rebooting after installing the new BIOS it displayed the message "Memory size decreased".

This is what I got too after update. Also, if check your bios log there is more..
As for your boot problem, perhaps you could try with only one memory dimm..?
 

ali.tayyab

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have u tried bios recovery with the 116x bios?
if u havent give this ago and dont connect any periperhals that arent needed i.e. hdd, extra stick of ram (one stick should always be in the slot next to the cpu socket)
see if this helps





 

martyj19

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I saw a report that someone was having a problem where the system wouldn't stay powered and that swapping out the Antec Neo 550 for a different model solved the problem. Unfortunately I cannot find it again. It was claimed after consulting Intel and Antec that the power supply wasn't compatible with the board. You might want to check into this possibility.
 

TL514

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okay, mines up and running. NO issues what so ever!!. Booted right up and I installed all the latest drivers, i also got this after the bios update

Oh, I forgot to mention this. I just remembered that when the computer was rebooting after installing the new BIOS it displayed the message "Memory size decreased".

Other than that n/p's here. To get the utilities to work all it took was a reboot. Cpu temp is a solid 41C idle and will go to 50C under load. Using a Thermalright XP90C with Artic Silver Ceramique as recommended by Colin at Artic Silver. Running a E6400 with 2 gigs ram, sweet an speedy.
 

brainwave

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I have an Intel g965WH board which is very similiar. I had the same exact problem as DeadlyEffort after upgrading BIOS to 1176. I also got a message "memory size decreased" after BIOS upgrade, but the upgrade said "successful." Now machine will not start. I tried same solutions without success. I had no choice but to RMA board. I suspect it may be RAM incompatibility (even though it worked fine before BIOS update) since I have Corsair XMS 6400 1.9v. I know the BIOS is supposed to correct the 1.8v - 1.9v incompatibility but I am not convinced. I am also going to return the RAM and buy Corsair Value 1.8v 5300 RAM. We will see what happens...
 

jimmyj68

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Even though Intel supposedly tweaked the bios to accept 1.9 volt dimms, I'm beginning to strongly suspect that problems may ensue when you use 1.9 volt sticks. Intel's technal specs on the board still say 1.8 Volt dimms only with bold type emphasis on the only. It also says dimm timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 only.

I think that the nature and design of the memory handling technology with the Core 2 Duo CPU is such that memory plays a very important role in the functioning of the system. It no longer just stores data, but is an integral part of the systems operation. This is particularly so when it comes to DDR2-800 memory.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm going to bite the bullet and pay the premium for 1.8V DDR2 800 memory from one of the name brands. I have a feeling I will save myself a lot of headaches once the latest bios is on my board.
I'm speaking of the 965 chipset.
 

trainmaster5

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I'm beginning to think that the memory problems being reported on this motherboard are a product of a somewhat immature bios implemention. I have been building my own machines for over a decade,AMD, Intel,Cyrix, with all manner of chipsets. The problems with the "965" seems to affect all board manufacturers. Usually bios updates for a new product correct most problems but not this time. I built my rig a month ago but I don't use it for anything important because it appears that the updates are causing more problems. I used Crucial ram (667) for the build and it's working fine but I don't want to install all my software and then have it crap out on me.
 

TL514

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I used Kingston DDT667 and installed all my apps except games so far. The apps fly. I here theres a issue with the core 2's not being ablr to play BF2 though an this comes from another builder I know "Tony at Plycon"
 

DeadlyEffort

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have u tried bios recovery with the 116x bios?

I have inserted a Bios recovery disc and removed the jumper pin, however the computer never maintains power long enough to go anywhere. Right now I am looking for a new motherboard.
 

ali.tayyab

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Originally posted by: DeadlyEffort
have u tried bios recovery with the 116x bios?

I have inserted a Bios recovery disc and removed the jumper pin, however the computer never maintains power long enough to go anywhere. Right now I am looking for a new motherboard.


then i guess its as martyj19 says; an issue between the psu and ur mobo

 

jimmyj68

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I still speculate, and prognosticate - (because I don't have the technical background to do anything else)- that this is a new day and the C2D and 965 chipset plus memory constitute the "operating system" (not as in XP etc.) of the motherboard.

I too have built a number of computers over the years and before 965 never gave a minutes thought to the operating voltage of the memory sticks. If you stop and think about how the C2D handles memory internally as opposed to the AMD hopped up external (to the CPU) memory handlers to enhance CPU operating speed (I think I have that right), it is not a great leap to conjecture that system memory parameters are critical to system operation. The E6600 and forward are jiggling 4MB of cache inside at 2 mhz and above, If the chipset (965 NB) is factoring in the installed system memory into the goings on - then that memory's operating parameters are mucho important.

I'm going to follow Intel's lead and get Kingston DDR2-800 1.8 volt DIMMS as it is one of the tested OK products on the Intel DP965LT web pages.:wine: DDR2-800 because I want to get the maximum out of the CPU. 667 chips have been working ok (coincidently, just about all 667 DIMMS are 1.8 volt and 5-5-5-XX ) but you lose some of the CPU's full capability.
 

skomp

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greetings - new member but longtime system builder. found this thread because i'm having issues with a new 965 board (min is the 965ss).

i'm currently having Windows 98 like symptoms with shut-down. if you select the standard shutdown it will shut down but it takes longer than some old PII and PIII boards.

if you select restart it just hangs and won't shut down.

i'm using the latest bios intel posted (9/6/06) i've tried every bios setting they have to remedy this but it simply just hangs on re-start.

i'm pretty leary of the 3 pages of 'issues' inthe BIOS releases and i've never had to adjust memory voltage before to make a board happy.

simply stated i think this thing is not quite ready for prime time yet.

the thought of deploying these into a remote location now is not comforting and that reliability is the #1 factor in choosing a good mb.

id' say give intel a few more BIOS updates before this board is relaible.




 

pancito

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Finally i see the light on this mobo, it had been working fine in my previous case with every connector installed, i changed cases and it gives me the freak actions you guys mention with the turning on and off.

Im going to try the new BIOS when i get home. to see if I can see some temps
 

slpaulson

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Does anybody else's computer seem to keep horrible time with this motherboard? Seriously one day it will be 3 minutes behind, then the next it will be 3 minutes fast.
 

jcgrcm

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Have you been leaving the computer on or off? The clock will be much more accurate when running off the battery than when powered on due to fluctuations in wall current. I haven't noticed anything, computer is off most of the time.
 

slpaulson

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Originally posted by: jcgrcm
Have you been leaving the computer on or off? The clock will be much more accurate when running off the battery than when powered on due to fluctuations in wall current. I haven't noticed anything, computer is off most of the time.

On, but what difference do wall current fluctuations make when the power supply supplies all DC voltages to the motherboard?

If anything I'd suspect leaving it off to have more problems due to a failing battery.
 

Newark

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Put one together last night. Booted up first time out of the box.

E6700
Intel 965LT
2GB OCZ Gold XTC
6800GS
 
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