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[Kabob]

I finally dropped Care Package yesterday. While I've gotten some good drops 50% of the time it's a UAV, Counter UAV, or ammo. I'm now using Predator Missile, Pave Low, and Chopper Gunner.

If you're having trouble getting kills with the predator then you're doing it wrong. Probably 50% of the time I use it I get 2 kills.

Also, I finally put the Javelin missile on one of my classes. It works pretty well, I got a double kill a time or two but I think I'm going to go back to Stingers. I spent too much time prepping/aiming that thing and not enough time playing the game, I got killed a time or two while trying to get a shot off.

 

[mugs]

If you're having trouble getting kills with the predator then you're doing it wrong. Probably 50% of the time I use it I get 2 kills.

I'm pretty sure I do a better than that with the care package. I can only guess, but since I switched back to care package I've gotten more AC-130s and chopper gunners than UAVs and counter-UAVs (and I don't discount the advantage that UAVs and counter-UAVs give you, even if they don't directly kill people). Harriers, choppers, airstrikes are all usually good for better than 2 kills. Just about anything you get from a care package will get you double the kills you get from a predator (or better) with the exception of UAV and counter-UAV, so even if you get UAV and counter-UAV 50% of the time the kills would even out. That hasn't been the case in my experience.

With predator I usually got at least one kill; not sure how often I got 2, but sometimes I got 0 if the guy I was targeting got under cover fast enough.

Everyone assumes I suck because I openly admit my screw-ups. I'm really not bad at this game.

Edit: Forgot about ammo; I haven't gotten many of those, but if you're good enough to be getting long killstreaks the ammo is still useful unless you're using scavenger or one man army.

 

[AstroManLuca]

A couple days ago during my Veteran playthrough (and yes, it is much easier than before once you just slow down!) I actually started the level No Russian. I did not finish it. I regret deciding to even start it because it's awful. Shameful, disgusting, tasteless... I don't have enough negative adjectives to describe this mission. It should have been cut from the game entirely or reworked somehow, perhaps into a cutscene.

V jbhyq unir yvxrq gb frr gur riragf ghearq vagb n phgfprar be znlor unir gur tnzr tvir lbh pbageby bs bar bs gur evbg cbyvpr ng gur raq vafgrnq bs sbepvat lbh gb or na Nzrevpna ntrag. Jryy, ba gbc bs nyy gung, ubj shpxvat fghcvq vf lbhe punenpgre? Lbhe "grnzzngrf" ner gnyxvat nobhg qbvat gur zvffvba naq orvat fher gb fcrnx ab Ehffvna, va beqre gb cbfr nf Nzrevpnaf. Jbhyqa'g fnvq haqrepbire ntrag ernyvmr gur ceboyrz naq gel gb fgbc vg? Bu, naq jul pna'g lbh xvyy Znxnebi naq uvf zra? Jul vfa'g gung lbhe zvffvba naljnl? Gur jubyr guvat vf evqvphybhf. Va snpg, gur ragver tnzr'f cybg vf gur fghcvqrfg bar V'ir rire rapbhagrerq va n tnzr gung V npghnyyl svavfurq. V'z nfunzrq gb unir pbzcyrgrq gur fvatyr cynlre. V thrff V'z whfg gbb zhpu bs na npuvrirzrag juber.

 

[mugs]

Juber is right, man.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I'm pretty sure I do a better than that with the care package. I can only guess, but since I switched back to care package I've gotten more AC-130s and chopper gunners than UAVs and counter-UAVs (and I don't discount the advantage that UAVs and counter-UAVs give you, even if they don't directly kill people). Harriers, choppers, airstrikes are all usually good for better than 2 kills. Just about anything you get from a care package will get you double the kills you get from a predator (or better) with the exception of UAV and counter-UAV, so even if you get UAV and counter-UAV 50% of the time the kills would even out. That hasn't been the case in my experience.

With predator I usually got at least one kill; not sure how often I got 2, but sometimes I got 0 if the guy I was targeting got under cover fast enough.

Everyone assumes I suck because I openly admit my screw-ups. I'm really not bad at this game.

Edit: Forgot about ammo; I haven't gotten many of those, but if you're good enough to be getting long killstreaks the ammo is still useful unless you're using scavenger or one man army.

I like care packages because they are all about being credit to team. A lot of people are obsessed with getting high killstreaks and high k:d ratios, but I'm content to just help my team out however I can. And like I mentioned earlier, I'm almost never able to get enough kills in a row to get to the better killstreaks, so I have a higher percentage chance of getting 4 kills and then a possible chopper gunner than I do of getting 11 kills and a guaranteed chopper gunner.

 

[mugs]

I like care packages because they are all about being credit to team. A lot of people are obsessed with getting high killstreaks and high k:d ratios, but I'm content to just help my team out however I can. And like I mentioned earlier, I'm almost never able to get enough kills in a row to get to the better killstreaks, so I have a higher percentage chance of getting 4 kills and then a possible chopper gunner than I do of getting 11 kills and a guaranteed chopper gunner.

Yeah, that's why I keep the UAV as one of my killstreaks - it's beneficial to my whole team, and I think it results in more kills (or avoided deaths) for the team than predator or sentry gun. I also usually carry a launcher, because taking down the other team's UAV is really beneficial (even though the UAV can't actually see me).

 

[sygyzy]

I don't use have UAV as a care package (I guess it's selfish) but I am sure glad when I get one or someone uses one on my team. With COD4, there was UAV all the time but not that often with MW2. I think it shows how selfish most people are.

 

[dougp]

A couple days ago during my Veteran playthrough (and yes, it is much easier than before once you just slow down!) I actually started the level No Russian. I did not finish it. I regret deciding to even start it because it's awful. Shameful, disgusting, tasteless... I don't have enough negative adjectives to describe this mission. It should have been cut from the game entirely or reworked somehow, perhaps into a cutscene.

V jbhyq unir yvxrq gb frr gur riragf ghearq vagb n phgfprar be znlor unir gur tnzr tvir lbh pbageby bs bar bs gur evbg cbyvpr ng gur raq vafgrnq bs sbepvat lbh gb or na Nzrevpna ntrag. Jryy, ba gbc bs nyy gung, ubj shpxvat fghcvq vf lbhe punenpgre? Lbhe "grnzzngrf" ner gnyxvat nobhg qbvat gur zvffvba naq orvat fher gb fcrnx ab Ehffvna, va beqre gb cbfr nf Nzrevpnaf. Jbhyqa'g fnvq haqrepbire ntrag ernyvmr gur ceboyrz naq gel gb fgbc vg? Bu, naq jul pna'g lbh xvyy Znxnebi naq uvf zra? Jul vfa'g gung lbhe zvffvba naljnl? Gur jubyr guvat vf evqvphybhf. Va snpg, gur ragver tnzr'f cybg vf gur fghcvqrfg bar V'ir rire rapbhagrerq va n tnzr gung V npghnyyl svavfurq. V'z nfunzrq gb unir pbzcyrgrq gur fvatyr cynlre. V thrff V'z whfg gbb zhpu bs na npuvrirzrag juber.

You could have skipped it, and you made the choice not to. I played the level when I came to it, and had no bad feelings towards IW for creating it. It is a disgusting level, but it also sets up the plot. I still don't understand why people say there was no good plot line, or that the story sucked. It quite simply was there, you just had to want to follow it. And that scene isn't as bad as you make it out to be, if you have to think about it - they're Russian. I mean, the only worse thing in life you could be is a Clay Aiken fan!

Yes, you need to take that as a joke and lighten up.

 

[Glitchny]

So I've run into a new spec/class/issue online what I hadn't seen until last night and I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered it/knows how people are doing it.

Basically I've noticed people running around with the Javelin launcher out and as soon as they are near somebody they can release the missile almost instantly, and it also auto fires the missile when they are killed.

It turns them into walking mortars/bombs and it is incredibly annoying. I was in a game where at least 2 of the people on the other team were doing it. They would just run into a building/at a group and launch a missile in your face or die and it would blow up and with Danger Close it's damn hard to live through.

It was funny because the final kill of that match was of a guy on my team killing one of them, and as they died the javelin missile launched and exploded from their corpse on the slowmo replay. But nobody on my team knew how they were doing it.

anyone else encountered this? (on the 360 btw)

edit: after some googlefu apparently this is a known issue that others have noticed as well.
edit2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OSKsqO6IIE
Video to tutorial on the glitch.

 

[Jules]

Wow, The knifing in this game is horrible.

 

[AstroManLuca]

You could have skipped it, and you made the choice not to. I played the level when I came to it, and had no bad feelings towards IW for creating it. It is a disgusting level, but it also sets up the plot. I still don't understand why people say there was no good plot line, or that the story sucked. It quite simply was there, you just had to want to follow it. And that scene isn't as bad as you make it out to be, if you have to think about it - they're Russian. I mean, the only worse thing in life you could be is a Clay Aiken fan!

Yes, you need to take that as a joke and lighten up.

Eh, I skipped it the first time and I really wish I had skipped it when I went through again on Veteran. I definitely regret not skipping it the second time. At least it gave me the option of skipping it from the menus. I felt like if I was going to criticize the mission I ought to see it for myself first. My opinion didn't change at all, though. Obviously a shameless publicity stunt by IW.

Anyway, saying it's a horrible mission and the worst part of an overall bad storyline is just my opinion. I was able to look past it and play the game, but I thought it detracted from the fun of playing the single player. But that happens with most sequels.

I have also been enjoying the multiplayer a lot!

 

[mugs]

Wow, The knifing in this game is horrible.

The other night I played against a couple of guys who ONLY used knives. They had marathon, lightweight and commando so they could run really fast for as long as they want and they had longer reach on the melee. They did pretty well with it. Not great, but at least average.

 

[sygyzy]

One thing I need to learn to do is to use melee more. Oftentimes I'll be in a shootout with someone and they'll just rush me and stab me. It's a smart move but I never think about it. It's not instinctive to me.

 

[getbush]

The No Russian mission was kind of weird. I just walked with the guys and never fired a single shot at any civilians. Shot an assload of russian swat once I finally had to. I can't really say why it's creepier than raising hell in GTA4.

I noticed the Javelin glitch last night. I got into a ground war lobby last night and a bunch of people were doing it. The most annoying thing about it is that the kill radius of the javelin is HUGE. Supposedly it's already set to be nixed in the first patch but I haven't seen when.

haha some people are calling the glitch nuclear martyrdom

P.S. the ACR is AWESOME

 

[Gooberlx2]

One thing I need to learn to do is to use melee more. Oftentimes I'll be in a shootout with someone and they'll just rush me and stab me. It's a smart move but I never think about it. It's not instinctive to me.

I get fucked by lag sometimes in knife fights. If the two of us knife at the same time, whoever hits the server/host first wins.

Not really a big deal usually...it's just more noticeable I think vs a gunfight.

 

[speg]

I need some snipers help.

I've been trying to unlock some of the attachments on the sniper rifle (the first one, whatever it's called.. demolition?) bbbut it's so useless!! If you actually find someone staying still enough to line up and shoot them, they don't die! It takes two shots (even if you hit them in the head!). And by the time you're finished recoiling and lining them up again they've had a chance to escape. Let alone trying to snipe down moving targets. So what's up with that? It's easier to one shot them with assault rifles. Doesn't make sense to me. Or maybe I just suck at sniping?

 

[tatteredpotato]

The No Russian mission was kind of weird. I just walked with the guys and never fired a single shot at any civilians. Shot an assload of russian swat once I finally had to. I can't really say why it's creepier than raising hell in GTA4.

I personally enjoyed the experience that level brought me. I'll admit having masses of unarmed targets in a video game is fun, but aside from that it was really a great addition of the story. How better to motivate the people in your country into supporting a war than to turn the enemy into terrorists, and that's the whole point (and it's a feeling than American audiences can identify well with). I don't really want this to dissolve into a political discussion, but let's just leave it at I feel that IW handled the matter appropriately (unless maybe you're from Russia )

 

[tatteredpotato]

I need some snipers help.

I've been trying to unlock some of the attachments on the sniper rifle (the first one, whatever it's called.. demolition?) bbbut it's so useless!! If you actually find someone staying still enough to line up and shoot them, they don't die! It takes two shots (even if you hit them in the head!). And by the time you're finished recoiling and lining them up again they've had a chance to escape. Let alone trying to snipe down moving targets. So what's up with that? It's easier to one shot them with assault rifles. Doesn't make sense to me. Or maybe I just suck at sniping?

Use stopping power if you want one-shot kills.

 

[Jules]

The other night I played against a couple of guys who ONLY used knives. They had marathon, lightweight and commando so they could run really fast for as long as they want and they had longer reach on the melee. They did pretty well with it. Not great, but at least average.

I just hate the fact that you get stabbed even when the dude isn't even looking at you.

 

[Kabob]

I like care packages because they are all about being credit to team. A lot of people are obsessed with getting high killstreaks and high k:d ratios, but I'm content to just help my team out however I can. And like I mentioned earlier, I'm almost never able to get enough kills in a row to get to the better killstreaks, so I have a higher percentage chance of getting 4 kills and then a possible chopper gunner than I do of getting 11 kills and a guaranteed chopper gunner.

For you and Mugs:

The probability of any given item from a Care Package is as follows (according to PC code):
14.78% - UAV
14.78% - Ammo
13.04% - Counter UAV
10.43% - Sentry Gun
10.43% - Predator Missile
9.57% - Precision Airstrike
6.09% - Harrier Airstrike
6.09% - Attack Helicopter
4.35% - Pave Low
4.35% - Stealth Airstrike
2.61% - Chopper Gunner
2.61% - AC-130
0.87% - EMP


The probability of getting at least one of any item in an Emergency Drop is as follows (according to PC stats, and some statistics calculations):
Ammo: 40.0%
UAV: 40.0%
Counter-UAV: 50.2%
Sentry Gun: 50.2%
Predator: 45.3%
Precision Airstrike: 34.4%
Harrier: 18.5%
Chopper: 18.5%
Pave Low: 11.5%
Stealth Bombers: 11.5%
Chopper Gunner: 7.8%
AC-130: 7.8%

Since when is not using care packages and working on your kill ratio not being a team player? In TDM the BEST thing you can do for your team is have lots of kills and few deaths. Also, I don't think anything helps out a team like someone jumping into an AC-130 or Chopper Gunner, the likelyhood of it happening is pretty slim with care package. Don't get me wrong, it's a useful perk but (as mentioned) it doesn't add to your kill streak.

Although honestly I don't think that some of the normal kill streak rewards add to your streak. On Wasteland last night I was set up with Predator Missile, Pave Low, and Chopper Gunner. I got my 9 kills and put my Pave Low in the air and it got maybe 6 kills and it never gave me my Chopper Gunner. I ran around and shot 2 more guys myself and it gave it to me, I was sorely confused though.

Also, for you people noticing the Javelin glitch here's the deal (I had it happen for the first time to me last night but I heard how it works yesterday):

The guys pull out their Javelin, then they pull the pin on a Semtex grenade (which has no fuse). They run around and when they are killed it sets off their Javelin. It's horrifically stupid, needs to be patched (like alot of things in the game). We were playing Domination on Invasion and we went to take the central B point. Enemy ran into the middle of us and died and killed 4 of us with his Javelin, so ghey!

 

[DrunkenSano]

For the No Russian mission, I personally didn't think it was distasteful, I thought it was actually a brilliant part in terms of plot for the antagonist to implicate the US on the massacre. Which basically caused Russia to Blitzkrieg the US, which is a huge turning point in the story. With the ability to skip the mission, I don't think anyone should be complaining about it being in the game, it's not like it was a useless scene in the story.

On the Pave Low note, I think it's currently bugged where Pavelow kills does not add to your kill streak for some reason. I tested it out last night and it wasn't working for me, I have the Pave Low --> Chopper Gunner --> Nuke setup right now. Will probably have to switch it to Harrier or something. To me Harrier > Attack Heli since both can be shot down by one missile but Harrier you get bombs first.

I dislike the speed knifers due to game mechanics, I would be spot on with shooting them but the game doesn't register my bullets fast enough for the kill while 1 knife is a kill. Best counter against knifers is UAV. What I detest more are noobtubers and akimbo shotgun users, the latter is just insanely powerful. It's like a speed knifer but worse since they have a lot more range.

 

[Kabob]

I resent that remark...you don't hate noobtubers...you hate people who abuse the noobtube. It has a great purpose but you can easily abuse it, especially with Scavenger on. I have an M203 on my ACR and I use it to clear out campers or finish people off. Campers say, in the tunnels on Wasteland or in the big bunker on Afghan who you can't even see to shoot but you know they are there. Chuck an M203 in there which explodes on impact and you're good to go. What I hate is the guy who spawns and instantly switches to his M203 and walks around with it out ready to grenade whatever. I only switch to it when tactically necessary.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I stand corrected, though in my defense, I would say people who use it correct use a grenade launcher, not a noobtube. But yeah, flushing out campers is one thing but using it as your primary weapon for all cases is another. Those people annoy me.

I usually avoid using it (unless it's my only attatchment option) though since I prefer holographic on my ACR, easier for long range shots. Last night for the last couple of games I changed it to a Heartbeat Monitor, really slows down my pace it seems since I stop a lot to check it. Didn't do as well with it as I usually do with my ACR but I'm gonna give it a little more time to get use to it.

 

[Kev]

I played on a server last night where 2 douchebags were using the javelin+semtex glitch.

It took me 3 deaths to figure out what was going on, but holy crap is that powerful. You can be up to 40 feet away and it will kill you. Between that, the care package glitch, and the akimbo shotguns bs I'm starting to get quite annoyed with people on this game.IW needs to patch this stat.

 

[Kabob]

I stand corrected, though in my defense, I would say people who use it correct use a grenade launcher, not a noobtube. But yeah, flushing out campers is one thing but using it as your primary weapon for all cases is another. Those people annoy me.

I usually avoid using it (unless it's my only attatchment option) though since I prefer holographic on my ACR, easier for long range shots. Last night for the last couple of games I changed it to a Heartbeat Monitor, really slows down my pace it seems since I stop a lot to check it. Didn't do as well with it as I usually do with my ACR but I'm gonna give it a little more time to get use to it.

Call it a "Skill Chute" for we people who use it properly :awe:

But +1, people who use it as a primary bug the heck out of me as well.