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Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Since when is not using care packages and working on your kill ratio not being a team player? In TDM the BEST thing you can do for your team is have lots of kills and few deaths. Also, I don't think anything helps out a team like someone jumping into an AC-130 or Chopper Gunner, the likelyhood of it happening is pretty slim with care package. Don't get me wrong, it's a useful perk but (as mentioned) it doesn't add to your kill streak.

Like I said, for someone (like me) who doesn't get a lot of long killstreaks the care package is great. I just did some rough math (with the frequency distribution you posted) and I'm pretty confident that for me there isn't a better reward for me than the care package. I didn't think that when I first started playing.

No one said that not using the care package means you're not a team player; AstroManLuca said that he uses it because he's a team player, and that's the best way for him to help the team. And I said I use the UAV because of how much it helps my team. I know how much I benefit when the UAV is up, and I hope my teammates are watching their radars too. If you help your team most by using three higher killstreaks, there's nothing wrong with that.

And if you don't want to help your team at all, I don't blame you - most people in this game aren't team players.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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The other night I played against a couple of guys who ONLY used knives. They had marathon, lightweight and commando so they could run really fast for as long as they want and they had longer reach on the melee. They did pretty well with it. Not great, but at least average.

My ninja class is marathon, ninja, and cold blooded and all i do is knife people. I'm usually at the top of the list when I do this, especially on wasteland and derailed (which I don't think I've played in over a week -- did they delete it??).
 

bl4ckfl4g

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My ninja class is marathon, ninja, and cold blooded and all i do is knife people. I'm usually at the top of the list when I do this, especially on wasteland and derailed (which I don't think I've played in over a week -- did they delete it??).

I've been using marathon, coldblooded, and commando on some maps and just knifing the crap out of people. It works really well and honestly better than it should. Game will start to suck if everyone does it.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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My ninja class is marathon, ninja, and cold blooded and all i do is knife people. I'm usually at the top of the list when I do this, especially on wasteland and derailed (which I don't think I've played in over a week -- did they delete it??).

I played Derailed last night; they may have just decreased its frequency in the TDM playlist. I've also seen Rust come up a couple of times which I hadn't in the first couple of weeks. I haven't actually played Rust yet, but I ran through it in a solo private match and it looks pretty terrible.

The knife guys I ran into weren't trying to be stealthy at all, they were just running balls-out and knifing anyone they saw. It was on Karachi so there weren't a lot of big open spaces that left them vulnerable. They also did it on sub base.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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Like I said, for someone (like me) who doesn't get a lot of long killstreaks the care package is great. I just did some rough math (with the frequency distribution you posted) and I'm pretty confident that for me there isn't a better reward for me than the care package. I didn't think that when I first started playing.

No one said that not using the care package means you're not a team player; AstroManLuca said that he uses it because he's a team player, and that's the best way for him to help the team. And I said I use the UAV because of how much it helps my team. I know how much I benefit when the UAV is up, and I hope my teammates are watching their radars too. If you help your team most by using three higher killstreaks, there's nothing wrong with that.

And if you don't want to help your team at all, I don't blame you - most people in this game aren't team players.

Yeah, that was basically my point. In order for me to be helpful to my team, I need to use easy kill streak rewards like care package. Right now my setup is care package, predator missile, and harrier, and I've only gotten to 7 kills a few times. With all the help that care packages and predator missiles give me, I always end up with a better ratio than when I go for the predator/harrier/chopper gunner setup, because it's unlikely for me to get any of those bonuses. Seeing as how I've not hit 11 kills in a row yet, my chances of getting a legit chopper gunner are pretty close to 0, but I do have a 2.61% chance of getting one if I get a care package, which usually happens about every other game.

It's just a matter of how can you increase your k/d most in any given game (if you're playing TDM) or how you can best contribute to the objective (in an objective-based game). Having high kill streak rewards doesn't help if you never get a high kill streak, but it would be a waste for someone who regularly gets long kill streaks to take easy rewards.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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I wish they would make it more frequent again. I keep getting Karachi, my 2nd least favorite map, and that horrible piece of shit with the 3 bridges (I think it's called Rundown)... officially the worst map in any game, ever.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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I would like to know how people manage to get these huge killstreaks. It's generally impossible for me to go past 9, even if I feel like I am dominating. The way the spawning works makes it almost impossible. When you kill a guy, the game usually spawns them 100 feet away from you. Sometimes you can use this to your advantage, but more often than not it is a significant disadvantage.
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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I played Derailed last night; they may have just decreased its frequency in the TDM playlist. I've also seen Rust come up a couple of times which I hadn't in the first couple of weeks. I haven't actually played Rust yet, but I ran through it in a solo private match and it looks pretty terrible.

Nope, they didn't decrease the frequency, last night of the 10 or so games I played I got Derailed once and Wasteland twice, they just updated the list to include Rust a few days ago.

I wish they would make it more frequent again. I keep getting Karachi, my 2nd least favorite map, and that horrible piece of shit with the 3 bridges (I think it's called Rundown)... officially the worst map in any game, ever.

Karachi is one of my favorites. Rundown I'll agree with though, it just plays weird. Still not as bad as Invasion, Quarry, or (by far the worst map to me) Underpass.

I would like to know how people manage to get these huge killstreaks. It's generally impossible for me to go past 9, even if I feel like I am dominating. The way the spawning works makes it almost impossible. When you kill a guy, the game usually spawns them 100 feet away from you. Sometimes you can use this to your advantage, but more often than not it is a significant disadvantage.

I don't do it every game, but every couple of games I get a pretty big streak. Generally the best way to get a big killstreak is to have good luck with your killstreak rewards and put yourself in a position where it's tough to die.

Example, a game on Wasteland I played last night: On the side with the gatling gun surrounded by busted cars right next to the hedge there is a trench. Well, the other team kept trying to assault that side (snipers in the back near the Hind helicopter, guys flashing/fragging and charging), so a teammate and I headed over and held that position. They'd charge and we'd fend 'em off. Got my 5 kills (including a beautiful cooked grenade throw that killed the sniper next to the helicopter) and I got my Predator. I told him to cover me and I went prone in the trench and used the predator to take out 3 guys who were about to come around the edge of said hedge. Killed another charger and got my Pave Low (9 kills). Pave Low tore them up, I think it got 7 or 8 kills before they shot it down. As mentioned I think it's bugged because it didn't unlock my Chopper Gunner. They finally decided they'd had enough of trying to assault that side so they moved to the tunnels. Ran to the tunnels and killed a sniper and an akimbo Ranger guy and unlocked my Chopper Gunner (11 kills). Killed another two people before they overpowered us. Respawned near a house so I headed inside and activated my chopper gunner. Since wasteland is 95% outdoors Chopper Gunner tore them up as well, I got 8 or 9 before they double-Stinger'd me.

Luca, I don't know how you're getting so many AC-130's and Chopper Gunners with Care Package. I think I've had a total of 4 AC-130's and 3 Chopper Gunner's from 200-300 Care Packages. But I agree, if you're not hitting big killstreaks to unlock the bonuses then a Care Package rewards is going to be alot more helpful overall, especially if you've got Hardline and get them after only 3 kills.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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I wish they would make it more frequent again. I keep getting Karachi, my 2nd least favorite map, and that horrible piece of shit with the 3 bridges (I think it's called Rundown)... officially the worst map in any game, ever.

I like Rundown. If you're on the hill side it's so easy to defend all 3 bridges. I'm not a fan of spawning on the lower side, but it's not so bad if you can convince the other team to come to you. If I'm on the lower side and want to get to the hill side, I usually use the far left bridge to get into the water (can't do this right at the beginning of the game), then run down to the other end and climb the stairs. That area usually isn't defended well, but you'll be killed (or at least seen) if you try to use the far right bridge to get into the water. Once you're up the stairs you can go into the long building and clear it out.
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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I like Rundown. If you're on the hill side it's so easy to defend all 3 bridges. I'm not a fan of spawning on the lower side, but it's not so bad if you can convince the other team to come to you. If I'm on the lower side and want to get to the hill side, I usually use the far left bridge to get into the water (can't do this right at the beginning of the game), then run down to the other end and climb the stairs. That area usually isn't defended well, but you'll be killed (or at least seen) if you try to use the far right bridge to get into the water. Once you're up the stairs you can go into the long building and clear it out.

So you're saying it's very unbalanced?
 

mugs

Lifer
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So you're saying it's very unbalanced?

I'm saying it has a lot of good defensive positions, and if you don't respect them then you'll get owned. It's not difficult to defend either side; rather than unbalanced, I'd say it favors a some play styles over others. It may favor one team over the other, but I haven't paid close enough attention to tell. I'd be nice if they had a Halo-like stats site. With all of the decisions to be made it would be incredibly useful.
 

Boobs McGee

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I noticed the Javelin/Riot Sheild combo last night. Just were just shooting me point blank with the thing. Run into a room and bam, javelin to the face. They need to slow down how those things fire.
 

BD2003

Lifer
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I noticed the Javelin/Riot Sheild combo last night. Just were just shooting me point blank with the thing. Run into a room and bam, javelin to the face. They need to slow down how those things fire.

nvm, didnt realize it was a bug.

I'm sure it'll be patched.
 
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sygyzy

Lifer
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I noticed the Javelin/Riot Sheild combo last night. Just were just shooting me point blank with the thing. Run into a room and bam, javelin to the face. They need to slow down how those things fire.

It's a rocket! It's not supposed to fire slow. What they need to do is fix the bug.
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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Yes, it's a bug. They're not shooting it at you, when you kill them the bug makes the Javelin explode. They need to patch that one fast...
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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Kabob: I have actually only gotten one chopper gunner and no AC-130s from care packages. Other "good" rewards I've gotten from them include Harriers (once), Pave Low (once), and attack helis (2 or 3 times). I get Predator drones sometimes as well.
 

BD2003

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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A couple days ago during my Veteran playthrough (and yes, it is much easier than before once you just slow down!) I actually started the level No Russian. I did not finish it. I regret deciding to even start it because it's awful. Shameful, disgusting, tasteless... I don't have enough negative adjectives to describe this mission. It should have been cut from the game entirely or reworked somehow, perhaps into a cutscene.

I've been doing a veteran playthrough myself, and I have to say, I have pretty much the absolute opposite reaction to you.

I'm not sure that there should be any expectation of tastefulness when you're playing a game where your primary objective is to kill people. But its very hard to play through the mission without feeling even a basic reaction of disgust. But that's the point! What you're doing is a terrible thing, even under the context that the ends justify the means. And even if you dont participate, you still get it in the end.

The thing to take away from it is that you HAVE to participate at some point, even though you might be totally unwilling. You're an undercover CIA agent - deep down, your character is supposed to be disgusted with himself for doing this, and therefore, so are you. The fact that it can even provoke this true reaction in you is a testament to how well done it is. The problem might lie in the somewhat confused way the overall story is told, but in terms of emotional reaction, this level is probably one the most impactful scenes in any game, book or movie. Often, a book or movie attempts to get you to relate to the protagonist or another character, to get you to feel what theyre feeling, but only a video game could really put you in their shoes this way.

And in general, although the game has been widely criticized for having a disjointed story, not enough credit is given for those certain scenes that really make you feel something. The result of that airport mission was the invasion of america - and the way they did it in this game was absolutely spectacular. Although I wish there was a bit more setup, when you get thrown into the suburbs and chaos is surrounding you - that was the part that really got to me. This wasnt some random french town in WWII - those suburbs are the spitting image of my hometown. When the russian landed on the roof and the gunner let fly on him and destroyed the place, my first thought was about how some guy had worked all his life for that house, and it just got destroyed to pieces. I'm sure the french felt the same way in WWII, but this was MY neighborhood!

It was immediately clear why I was fighting - it was personal. The overall story meant nothing to me at that point. I was totally there in that scene. A firefight in taco bell? In TGI Fridays!?! I love those places...and I wanted the russians the fuck out. They might take the white house, but they aint taking burger king if I've got anything to do about it!

No other game has ever even made me come close to feeling so personal about it, so wrapped up in it.
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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Ahh, it was mugs who said it, not you.

I can only guess, but since I switched back to care package I've gotten more AC-130s and chopper gunners than UAVs and counter-UAVs (and I don't discount the advantage that UAVs and counter-UAVs give you, even if they don't directly kill people).

Based soley on their drop rates I can't believe it. Like I said, I've in the hundreds of Care Packages I've dropped I've gotten about 5 total AC-130's and Chopper Gunners. Maybe 6-7 Pave Lows, 5 or so Stealth Bombers, etc.
 

Stuxnet

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Jun 16, 2005
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I played on a server last night where 2 douchebags were using the javelin+semtex glitch.

It took me 3 deaths to figure out what was going on, but holy crap is that powerful. You can be up to 40 feet away and it will kill you. Between that, the care package glitch, and the akimbo shotguns bs I'm starting to get quite annoyed with people on this game.IW needs to patch this stat.

I switched to Hardcore recently, mainly due to the Energy Sword perk... err... I man Commando perk (getting knifed by a guy 20 feet away blows) and a few other annoyances. I'm finding Hardcore at least tolerable, whereas the regular mode just blows.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
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Last night a kid was talking about how they stole "Double Kill" from Halo, and I (stupidly) responded saying that Unreal Tournament had it well before that.

First he called me a lovely human. Then he said he didn't know what UT was. I facepalmed and told him it was the same company that made Gears of War.

D:
 

Stuxnet

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2005
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Last night a kid was talking about how they stole "Double Kill" from Halo, and I (stupidly) responded saying that Unreal Tournament had it well before that.

First he called me a lovely human. Then he said he didn't know what UT was. I facepalmed and told him it was the same company that made Gears of War.

D:

Moral of the story? Unplug headset, go to Preferences, set voice chat to 0.
 

foghorn67

Lifer
Jan 3, 2006
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Addendum to rant:
-Commando is the silliest perk. I was on one side of the narrow bridge on Rundown. Commando on the other side. He knives, I die. The biggest wtf of the game.

-Javelin perk needs to die, soon. If IW lets this go, we can agree they are douchebags that don't care anymore. (they are now swimming in Scrooge McDuck's bank vault.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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I'm saying it has a lot of good defensive positions, and if you don't respect them then you'll get owned. It's not difficult to defend either side; rather than unbalanced, I'd say it favors a some play styles over others. It may favor one team over the other, but I haven't paid close enough attention to tell. I'd be nice if they had a Halo-like stats site. With all of the decisions to be made it would be incredibly useful.

this whole game favors camping over non-camping, which is primarily the reason i haven't played it in over a week.
 
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