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silverpig

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Very similar situation happened to the Devils in the regular season. Puck was deflected off a skate while the player was stopping, and they disallowed the goal. The way the rule is written, the goal should be allowed. In the "spirit of the rules" maybe it shouldn't. If the intention is to disallow goals where the puck was intentionally put in off a skate, then the "distinct kicking motion" requirement is inadequate.



http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nhl/19230505#nhl/19230505

Skip to 6:50

What about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0796IPywEPg&feature=player_embedded

That one was allowed, and just a few weeks ago too.

First off, here's the "goal": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkhe33alxCk&feature=player_embedded

Mike Murphy, the VP of hockey operations was on CBC after the game. Here is his explanation of why it wasn't a goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588v8BvGcnU&feature=player_embedded

The NHL rule book says (S 39.2 (iv)): (iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2.

Also, 49.2 says in part: A puck that deflects into the net off an attacking player’s skate who does not use a distinct kicking motion is a legitimate goal. A puck that is directed into the net by an attacking player’s skate shall be a legitimate goal as long as no distinct kicking motion is evident.

Notice in the video where he says: "it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, but a kicking motion." He fully admits it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, and that is what the rulebook expressly states is required to disallow a goal. The capitalization of the words is in the rulebook itself - I didn't add it.
 

mugs

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What about this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0796IPywEPg&feature=player_embedded

That one was allowed, and just a few weeks ago too.

First off, here's the "goal": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkhe33alxCk&feature=player_embedded

Mike Murphy, the VP of hockey operations was on CBC after the game. Here is his explanation of why it wasn't a goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588v8BvGcnU&feature=player_embedded

The NHL rule book says (S 39.2 (iv)): (iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which, with a pendulum motion, the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. See also 49.2.

Also, 49.2 says in part: A puck that deflects into the net off an attacking player’s skate who does not use a distinct kicking motion is a legitimate goal. A puck that is directed into the net by an attacking player’s skate shall be a legitimate goal as long as no distinct kicking motion is evident.

Notice in the video where he says: "it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, but a kicking motion." He fully admits it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, and that is what the rulebook expressly states is required to disallow a goal. The capitalization of the words is in the rulebook itself - I didn't add it.

I already said I thought the goal should have been allowed based on the rule. I'm just not sure that the rule is written in a way that adequately captures its intentions, so maybe it should be rewritten. I mean, anyone who has played soccer knows that a pendulum motion is not the only way to kick something.

The only way I figure they can justify that no goal call is with that DVD they apparently sent to teams earlier in the season. Even then though, I'm not sure that a memo and a DVD of examples should be enough to change a rule. This wouldn't be a re-interpretation of a rule, it would be a misinterpretation of a rule. If they want to change the rule, they need to actually change the rule.
 

KeithTalent

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Damn, Canucks, and in particular Luongo, looked awful last night. I stopped watching after the second period. It was quite obvious they did not have a chance.

KT
 

tokie

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Damn, Canucks, and in particular Luongo, looked awful last night. I stopped watching after the second period. It was quite obvious they did not have a chance.

KT

Well in Luongo's defense, someone did run over his hand with their skate.

That was the moment he should have been pulled, instead of making him stay in net a few more minutes and letting in a goal.
 

Molondo

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I remember all the snarky comments by canuck fans during 03/04 Stanley cup playoffs when the goal was not called in game six. Karma is a bitch. They are lucky this wasn't such an important game.
 

oogabooga

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Notice in the video where he says: "it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, but a kicking motion." He fully admits it wasn't a distinct kicking motion, and that is what the rulebook expressly states is required to disallow a goal. The capitalization of the words is in the rulebook itself - I didn't add it.

Yea, they got screwed on the goal, but I don't think it would have turned the game around. I hope a bunch of fans email him the rulebook or something so he can see over and over again.

He was probably trying to define it as a 'borderline' call but instead contradicted what the rulebook said. NHL front office hard at work
 

KeithTalent

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Well in Luongo's defense, someone did run over his hand with their skate.

That was the moment he should have been pulled, instead of making him stay in net a few more minutes and letting in a goal.

Fair enough, but really the entire team did not look so great after about the first 5 minuites or so. Aside from a few bits here and there. Pretty disappointing.

KT
 

Fingolfin269

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woo hoo preds! Tonight gave me a glimmer of hope for the series. One more in Nash before heading back to Chicago too!
 

meltdown75

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man... it's so ridiculous living in Wing Fan central, Ontario.....

everyone wanted to burn Howard at the stake after game 3... now he's the saviour...

i'm sorry but 90% of their fans are just bandwagon-jumping idiots. never before have i seen a more annoying sense of entitlement with any fan base...

Howard is the main reason they're still playing...

anyhoo my playoff pool is shot... i picked Devils and Sens
 

NoCreativity

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man... it's so ridiculous living in Wing Fan central, Ontario.....

everyone wanted to burn Howard at the stake after game 3... now he's the saviour...

i'm sorry but 90% of their fans are just bandwagon-jumping idiots. never before have i seen a more annoying sense of entitlement with any fan base...

Howard is the main reason they're still playing...

anyhoo my playoff pool is shot... i picked Devils and Sens

Yup. The wagoneers always blame the goalie. Too stupid to realize that the team playing like shit was the main problem.
 

uclaLabrat

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The Sharks and Canucks situation is similar. Great 5on5 pressure, but lose to a fluke goal.
When have the canucks lost by a fluke goal? Are you still crying over the goal that was disallowed? Never mind the fact they lost by two?
 

oogabooga

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When have the canucks lost by a fluke goal? Are you still crying over the goal that was disallowed? Never mind the fact they lost by two?

It could have turned things around!
(or not)


snug from espn article about LA/VAN game said:
Although the 20-year-old Doughty still is too young to drink in Los Angeles and the 23-year-old Johnson can't yet rent most cars, the defensemen have been a pair of aces since shortly after they got back from the Olympics, where Doughty starred for Canada and Johnson excelled for the U.S. team.

I feel so old... and unaccomplished.
 
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