Official Swiftboat Thread

[conjur]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

It most definitely proves he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. And, this is *after* Nixon was elected President in Nov. 1968. Perhaps that was weighing on Kerry's mind in his statement. It certainly doesn't negate that he was there.

You are really stooping low to find anything.

But, if you don't believe it then you don't believe Elliott either. So, that automatically discredits his book.

From Harvey's very link.

"Did Kerry cross the border or just go up to it? We may never know for sure"

Make sure and read the entire article....this is the second time in as many days where you have apparently only skimmed an article to see if it fit your cause.

Nixon's election was "weighing on Kerry's mind" Good lord.........nice reach you got there. :roll:

Me reaching? HA! As if.

The only reaching is by those desperate for any sort of ridiculous claim to level at Kerry. None of these swiftboat veterans' claims can be proven. NONE. And, MANY of them have been PROVEN to be LIARS. That's a FACT.

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

I think Nixon was elected in 1968? Elections are usually in November, did they change the date that year?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

Double-standard... ha, that letter is about as spun as much as cotton candy. But this stuff tastes like horse manure.

I figured as much...
Someday you'll wake up - there is hope for everyone(except Dave)

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

I think Nixon was elected in 1968? Elections are usually in November, did they change the date that year?

He was President Elect!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
On a slightly different topic, isn't it funny how rip's threads are being locked because he isn't posting his info here?

My hope is it'll compel him to stop all the trolling and try to be a productive poster. We shall see.

FYI, a number of us, myself included, have decided to stonewall Rip and not respond to any of his posts at all for the time being. If he shows he's willing to actually engage in real debate and discussion, each of us can revisit the issue for ourselves, but for now I'm going to completely ignore him.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

I think Nixon was elected in 1968? Elections are usually in November, did they change the date that year?

He was President Elect!

And he had power to do what?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

Double-standard... ha, that letter is about as spun as much as cotton candy. But this stuff tastes like horse manure.

I figured as much...
Someday you'll wake up - there is hope for everyone(except Dave)

CkG

If I need to wake up, someone needs to take your comatose brain off life support. The left provides evidence after evidence after evidence that debunks the SBVFT's case. The right provides next to nothing. It's one thing to support Bush but another to constantly make excuses for him.

 

[Harvey]

I originally posted this as a separate thread intended as a humor break from the serious stuff, but the mods wanted it here, so here it is.

Breaking news from the Borowitz Report

KERRY DENIES PERFORMING GAY WEDDINGS ON SWIFT BOAT

One Million Anti-Kerry Boatmates March on Washington

Democratic nominee John Kerry today blasted a just-released attack ad in which a new group of swift boat veterans accuse him of performing hundreds of gay weddings on the boat he commanded during that conflict.

The ad, financed by a group calling itself Swift Boat Veterans For Truth About Gay Weddings On Swift Boats, accuses Sen. Kerry of using his status as commanding officer on his boat to perform gay weddings on an almost non-stop basis.

According to one veteran who appears in the ad, Mr. Kerry stunned his boatmates by announcing, ?I hereby declare this swift boat ?The Love Boat.??

The veteran goes on to accuse Mr. Kerry of performing hundreds of gay weddings ?whether the sailors wanted to marry each other or not.?

The latest charges come at a critical juncture for the Kerry campaign, as over one million anti-Kerry boatmates marched on Washington this weekend to express their unbridled hatred of the Democratic nominee.

But Sen. Kerry came out swinging against the ads today, telling a Michigan audience, ?It would have been impossible for me to declare my swift boat ?The Love Boat? because ?The Love Boat? did not come on TV until 1977.?

Moments after Mr. Kerry?s comment, the airwaves were blanketed with a new ad financed by a group calling themselves Swift Boat Veterans For Truth About What John Kerry Claims Did Or Did Not Happen On His Swift Boat.

In the ad, a veteran states: ?Okay, so maybe John Kerry didn?t perform any gay weddings, but it?s a lot like something he would have done if given half a chance.?

In another breaking story from the same site, currently on the homepage reveals

PARIS HILTON CALLS FOR END TO SWIFT BOAT FLAP

Distracting Attention Away From Her, Heiress Says

and closes with this startling revelation:

In other political news, the Republican National Committee announced today that President George W. Bush's acceptance speech at the convention next week would be simulcast in English.

Definitely time to lighten up the subject. This looked like the right stuff. :beer: :laugh: :wine:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: NJDevil
On a slightly different topic, isn't it funny how rip's threads are being locked because he isn't posting his info here?

My hope is it'll compel him to stop all the trolling and try to be a productive poster. We shall see.

FYI, a number of us, myself included, have decided to stonewall Rip and not respond to any of his posts at all for the time being. If he shows he's willing to actually engage in real debate and discussion, each of us can revisit the issue for ourselves, but for now I'm going to completely ignore him.

Oh yeah? Where do I sign up?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: villager

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

I think Nixon was elected in 1968? Elections are usually in November, did they change the date that year?

He was President Elect!

And he had power to do what?

Not much.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

Double-standard... ha, that letter is about as spun as much as cotton candy. But this stuff tastes like horse manure.

I figured as much...
Someday you'll wake up - there is hope for everyone(except Dave)

CkG

If I need to wake up, someone needs to take your comatose brain off life support. The left provides evidence after evidence after evidence that debunks the SBVFT's case. The right provides next to nothing. It's one thing to support Bush but another to constantly make excuses for him.

Believe what you wish. It's not my fault you choose to stay blind.

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

I don't even think Kerry can prove he was ever in Vietnam. That does it, I'm definitely voting for that other guy now.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Oh yeah? Where do I sign up?

It originated in this thread, last night, although others have suggested it in the past. There really isn't any way of formalizing it (any thread on that topic would presumably be locked), but I think if we can all stick to our guns, it'll be good for the forum.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

Double-standard... ha, that letter is about as spun as much as cotton candy. But this stuff tastes like horse manure.

I figured as much...
Someday you'll wake up - there is hope for everyone(except Dave)

CkG

If I need to wake up, someone needs to take your comatose brain off life support. The left provides evidence after evidence after evidence that debunks the SBVFT's case. The right provides next to nothing. It's one thing to support Bush but another to constantly make excuses for him.

Believe what you wish. It's not my fault you choose to stay blind.

CkG

If I'm blind, then you're blind and standing on the street corner with a monkey and an organ grinder. BTW, I can do these alllll day long.
:laugh:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Believe what you wish. It's not my fault you choose to stay blind.

CkG

If I'm blind, then you're blind and standing on the street corner with a monkey and an organ grinder. BTW, I can do these alllll day long.
:laugh:

:roll: Yeah, third grade was fun...

Anyway - try actually reading things and then try to comprehend them. In this situation, I'm not sure how you or anyone else can't see the double standard being employed by kerry.

*shrug*

Like I said...it's not my fault - I tried...

Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That?s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that?s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We?re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can?t have it both ways. You can?t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 ?we do not need to divide America over who served and how.? Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too ? and proud to support President Bush. He?s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He?s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 ? in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he?s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran?s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

CkG

 

[arsbanned]

Why did a number of the very same SBVT defend him, and praise his leadership under fire, when he was running for re-election in 1996? How is it anything but incongruous that they are now attacking him?

Excellent point. I'd like the answer to that as well.
For the whiners complaining about locked threads, this is a private Site after all. They can bounce you out of here with a click. If it was my Site Ripshitz would have been gone long ago just for his bandwidth wasting crap alone. We shouldn't have to wade through miles of cut and paste garbage spewed by some Facist to participate in a discussion.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Why did a number of the very same SBVT defend him, and praise his leadership under fire, when he was running for re-election in 1996? How is it anything but incongruous that they are now attacking him?

Excellent point. I'd like the answer to that as well.
For the whiners complaining about locked threads, this is a private Site after all. They can bounce you out of here with a click. If it was my Site Ripshitz would have been gone long ago just for his bandwidth wasting crap alone. We shouldn't have to wade through miles of cut and paste garbage spewed by some Facist to participate in a discussion.

Why were you banned from ars ?

 

[CaptnKirk]

You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized

I don't think that the jist of this is that he 'accused' soldiers in Vietnam of atrocities, nor that he
personally confessed that he had. What he did say, as a spokesman for a group of soldiers,
was that atrocities had been committed - which is a fact.
He was in 'Free Fire Zones' and he did in fact fire his weapon.
I was and I did, it goes with the territory - do or die.

Were there attrocities commited - of course there were, by both sides, 'Us and Them'.

Why should he apologize ? For what ? Stating a fact about what was going on ? He dosen't need to.

There are quite a few Vets from that war on this board that have made mention of these
things in the past year or so, but those who were not there can't seen to let it sink in.

 

[arsbanned]

Why were you banned from ars ?

Why do you live in the ozone. Dumb questions everywhere I guess.
I'm not banned from ars, genius. It's interesting to see you trying to employ the same Nazi tactics as your heros in the Whitehouse though.

 

[smashp]

Some Quotes from Kerry's 1971 Senate Testimony


"I think it lies with the men who designed free fire zones. I think it lies with the men who encourage body counts. I think it lies in large part with this country, which allows a young child before he reaches the age of 14 to see 12,500 deaths on television, which glorifies the John Wayne syndrome, which puts out fighting man comic books on the stands, which allows us in training to do calisthenics to four counts, on the fourth count of which we stand up and shout "kill" in unison, which has posters in barracks in this country with a crucified Vietnamese, blood on him, and underneath it says "kill the beloved patriot," and I think that clearly the responsibility for all of this is what has produced this horrible aberration. "



"Senator Symington: Yes. Mr. Kerry, I had to leave because we are marking up the selective service bill in the Armed Services Committee. But I will read the record.

Attitude of Servicemen Toward Congressional Opposition to War The staff has a group of question here, four of which I would ask. Over the years members of this committee who spoke out in opposition to the war were often accused of stabbing our boys in the back. What, in your opinion, is the attitude of servicemen in Vietnam about congressional opposition to the war?

Mr. Kerry: If I could answer that, it is very difficult, Senator, because I just know, I don't want to get into the game of saying I represent everybody over there, but let me try to say as straightforwardly as I can, we had an advertisement, ran full page, to show you what the troops read. It ran in Playboy and the response to it within two and a half weeks from Vietnam was 1,200 members. We received initially about 50 to 80 letters a day from troops there. We now receive about 20 letters a day from troops arriving at our New York office. Some of these letters- and I wanted to bring some down, I didn't know we were going to be testifying here and I can make them available to you- are very, very moving, some of them written by hospital corpsmen on things, on casualty report sheets which say, you know, "Get us out of here." "You are the only hope we have got." "You have got to get us back; it is crazy." We received recently 80 members of the 101st Airborne signed up in one letter. Forty members from a helicopter assault squadron, crash and rescue mission signed up in another one.

I think they are expressing, some of these troops, solidarity with us, right now by wearing black arm bands and Vietnam Veterans Against the War buttons. They want to come out and I think they are looking at the people who want to try to get them out as a help.

However, I do recognize there are some men who are in the military for life. The job in the military is to fight wars. When they have a war to fight, they are just as happy in a sense, and I am sure that these men feel they are being stabbed in the back. But, at the same time, I think to most of them the realization of the emptiness, the hollowness, the absurdity of Vietnam has finally hit home, and I feel if they did come home the recrimination would certainly not come from the right, from the military. I don't think there would be that problem.

Senator Symington: Thank you.

Has the fact Congress has never passed a declaration of war undermined the morale of U.S. service men in Vietnam, to the best of your knowledge?

Mr. Kerry: Yes; it has clearly and to a great, great extent."


and Finally




"Finally, this administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifice we made for this country. In their blindness and fear they have tried to deny that we are veterans or that we served in Nam. We do not need their testimony. Our own scars and stumps of limbs are witnesses enough for others and for ourselves. "

 

[arsbanned]

Hear, Hear!:thumbsup:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Letter to kerry

Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That?s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that?s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We?re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can?t have it both ways. You can?t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 ?we do not need to divide America over who served and how.? Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too ? and proud to support President Bush. He?s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He?s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 ? in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he?s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.



We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran?s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.



Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

CkG

CAD,

As I recall your the guy I had an argument with about income taxes and you resented people who wanted to increase your taxes based on just their arbitrtary feelings because it wasn't right? Now you post a letter about people who want to run campaign ad's that are at best misguided, based on nothing but their feelings?

That seems to me to be a bit of a double standard, doesn't it? I guess it depends on whose feelings are involved.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry is so two faced it's ridiculous..

he sends Max Cleland (who inspite of missing three limbs, never earned one purple heart) to Bush's ranch in Texas to give him a letter asking him to condemn the Swifties for Truth (trying to "create" a news event)

meanwhile, he's at a rally where his supports are attacking Bush for his service in the Air National Guard. Gee, i thoughht Kerry was against this stuff (i guess only when it's about him, eh?).
Attacking GWB's military service

gotta love those liberals, free speech for them, none for anyone else.

:roll:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin
What's the deal with any thread about Kerry being locked, regardless if it has nothing to do with the Swiftvets?

Mods, can you please unlock those threads?

Thank you.

Perhaps the mods have finally tired of your same ol' crap Rip. Good for them.

Here, here. Doesn't the main topic page look nice today? :beer:

 

[conjur]

Quite!