Official Terri Schiavo Thread

[Abraxas]

Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because 30% of America that opposes the killing is apparently very very obnoxious - some of them even kill doctors, I hear.

Maybe he doesn't want to deal with childish garbage like that, and thus is attempting to dissuade them.

Do the reasons really matter? The tube is not going back in, the courts and majority of the public think YOU have the wrong idea, and it was never any of our business in the first place. Time to let it go?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because 30% of America that opposes the killing is apparently very very obnoxious - some of them even kill doctors, I hear.

Maybe he doesn't want to deal with childish garbage like that, and thus is attempting to dissuade them.

Do the reasons really matter? The tube is not going back in, the courts and majority of the public think YOU have the wrong idea, and it was never any of our business in the first place. Time to let it go?

Yes, logic matters to me.

Please explain the logic of soothing a vegetable. I don't get it.

Do you really think that saying how beautiful she looks and describing her setting is going to placate those who think that this is JUDICIAL MURDER?

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: preCRT
Don't waste your time arguing with rip or luvly, neither one is capable of admitting when they are wrong nor capable of seeing the truth.

wait wait...
luvly is here?!

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Do you really think that saying how beautiful she looks and describing her setting is going to placate those who think that this is JUDICIAL MURDER?

No. It is impossible to placate ignorant zealots.


I don't care if it works or not - it's not my concern. One of the few things I do know is that if he WASN'T doing those things, all of you in opposition would be calling him a callous person for not doing so.

Listen, you're going to hate him no matter what - we know this. I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise - I can take the high road and let you believe what you want because I am lucky enough to realize that individual freedoms are the most important thing we have in this country. This is something those of you in opposition to this situation obviously haven't picked up on yet, being that you're trying to effectively force your will on someone else.

You go off and feel how you want. It makes no difference to me. You've been overruled by the law and the majority of the populous.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Riprorin
If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because 30% of America that opposes the killing is apparently very very obnoxious - some of them even kill doctors, I hear.

Maybe he doesn't want to deal with childish garbage like that, and thus is attempting to dissuade them.

Do the reasons really matter? The tube is not going back in, the courts and majority of the public think YOU have the wrong idea, and it was never any of our business in the first place. Time to let it go?

Do you really think that saying how beautiful she looks and describing her setting is going to placate those who think that this is JUDICIAL MURDER?

No and it isn't supposed to. It is supposed to make him look like a supportive husband to those who think he is shady but are still on his side.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

It's funny that the non-violent 70% are the ones that are putting this women to death by depriving her for food and water.

Do you feel better about Michael Schoavo's motives because there are flowers in her room, soft music, and a teddy bear?

I don't and I doubt many people who think killing disabled people is wrong do either.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

It's funny that the non-violent 70% are the ones that are putting this women to death by depriving her for food and water.

Do you feel better about Michael Schoavo's motives because there are flowers in her room, soft music, and a teddy bear?

I don't and I doubt many people who think killing disabled people is wrong do either.

The woman is already gone in their, and my, view. All they are doing is letting the empty shell of a body go.

Nope, but I never needed to feel better about his motives because I never thought he stood to gain anything from her death.

She is more than disabled, everything that made her who she was is a puddle of fluid in the back of her skull. What remains is meat.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

It's funny that the non-violent 70% are the ones that are putting this women to death by depriving her for food and water.

Do you feel better about Michael Schoavo's motives because there are flowers in her room, soft music, and a teddy bear?

I don't and I doubt many people who think killing disabled people is wrong do either.

The woman is already gone in their, and my, view. All they are doing is letting the empty shell of a body go.

Nope, but I never needed to feel better about his motives because I never thought he stood to gain anything from her death.

She is more than disabled, everything that made her who she was is a puddle of fluid in the back of her skull. What remains is meat.

If she's "gone" why are they bragging about how comfortable here room is? It doesn't really matter, does it? Who are they trying to kid?

She's disabled, how disabled she is a matter of debate.

Are you generally supportive of killing disabled people?

 

[Insomniak]

I'm generally supportive of letting people make their own decisions, which Terri Schiavo did.

No one needs you, or me, making decisions for them.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I'm generally supportive of letting people make their own decisions, which Terri Schiavo did.

No one needs you, or me, making decisions for them.

I wouldn't my life determined on the basis of hearsay, would you?

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

It's funny that the non-violent 70% are the ones that are putting this women to death by depriving her for food and water.

Do you feel better about Michael Schoavo's motives because there are flowers in her room, soft music, and a teddy bear?

I don't and I doubt many people who think killing disabled people is wrong do either.

The woman is already gone in their, and my, view. All they are doing is letting the empty shell of a body go.

Nope, but I never needed to feel better about his motives because I never thought he stood to gain anything from her death.

She is more than disabled, everything that made her who she was is a puddle of fluid in the back of her skull. What remains is meat.

If she's "gone" why are they bragging about how comfortable here room is? It doesn't really matter, does it? Who are they trying to kid?

She's disabled, how disabled she is a matter of debate.

Are you generally supportive of killing disabled people?

Who they are trying to kid, as you put it, are the people who think that Schiavo was a husband who did not love his wife. By creating the pretense of a pleasant environment around her, he makes himself look better, and more loving, for providing it.

The completely disabled, yes, I support letting them die if that is their wish. By completely disabled I mean no higher brain function, ie, everything that made them a person is completely gone and cannot ever be recovered short of an act of God. If I am ever in her position, my brain gone to liquid and my chance of ever ataining concious thought or any form of contol over my body ever again are gone, and the only thing I will ever do for the rest of my life is lie in a bed twitching randomly on occasion, I only hope the people who are around me feel as I do now.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Insomniak
I'm generally supportive of letting people make their own decisions, which Terri Schiavo did.

No one needs you, or me, making decisions for them.

I wouldn't my life determined on the basis of hearsay, would you?

Under Florida law she made a living will. I would like my living wills to be carried out should the time ever come.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Abraxas
Given that last I heard 70% plus of people think he is doing the right thing, if Felos does think the public is "that stupid", he has good reason to. He is making himself look the part of the loving husband. Given those trying to frame him as an axe murderer, I can hardly blame him.

You're aware that Felos is the "huband's" attorney, right?

Indeed. And who hired him and why is he still on the payroll?

If 70% of the American people think that killing Terri is the right thing, why the need for the PR campaign?

Because, as was pointed out, the rest can be very violent. Even those who agree allowing her to die is the right thing still may be suspicious of the Schiavo's motives and he wants to alleviate that.

It's funny that the non-violent 70% are the ones that are putting this women to death by depriving her for food and water.

Do you feel better about Michael Schoavo's motives because there are flowers in her room, soft music, and a teddy bear?

I don't and I doubt many people who think killing disabled people is wrong do either.

The woman is already gone in their, and my, view. All they are doing is letting the empty shell of a body go.

Nope, but I never needed to feel better about his motives because I never thought he stood to gain anything from her death.

She is more than disabled, everything that made her who she was is a puddle of fluid in the back of her skull. What remains is meat.

If she's "gone" why are they bragging about how comfortable here room is? It doesn't really matter, does it? Who are they trying to kid?

She's disabled, how disabled she is a matter of debate.

Are you generally supportive of killing disabled people?

Who they are trying to kid, as you put it, are the people who think that Schiavo was a husband who did not love his wife. By creating the pretense of a pleasant environment around her, he makes himself look better, and more loving, for providing it.

The completely disabled, yes, I support letting them die if that is their wish. By completely disabled I mean no higher brain function, ie, everything that made them a person is completely gone and cannot ever be recovered short of an act of God. If I am ever in her position, my brain gone to liquid and my chance of ever ataining concious thought or any form of contol over my body ever again are gone, and the only thing I will ever do for the rest of my life is lie in a bed twitching randomly on occasion, I only hope the people who are around me feel as I do now.

It's not working for me. He should have given up his guardianship when he took another woman and had two children with her.

 

[Abraxas]

Why? He couldn't still love and care for his wife after finding a new woman 5 years or better after his wife was effectively gone? He could feel that as her husband it was his obligation to make sure her living will were carried out? I fail to see why one cannot love multiple people and wish tos ee their desires fullfilled. It may be claimed he has a conflict of interests but all things considered, it is irrelevants. Regardless of what he does or does not do, she will never come back.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

It's not working for me.

Of course not. Wouldn't want it any other way.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

It's not working for me.

it doesnt have to.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7306432/site/newsweek/

This is a Newsweek article, "The Legacy of Terri Schiavo" and I'm not certain if it's especially biased, but it does seem to be fairly comprehensive (not majorly in-depth though, just 4 pages), in case anyone is interested.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: preCRT
Don't waste your time arguing with rip or luvly, neither one is capable of admitting when they are wrong nor capable of seeing the truth.

Still wondering why Schiavo's attorney argues that Terri is a "vegetable" and then boasts that her room is filled with flowers and soft music and she has a teddy tucked under her harm.

Care to explain?

Care to explain why the father said she looked like death warmed over last Friday and the next day, Saturday, recanted his observations of her condition and said she looked all rosey? Hmmm.

 

[OCNewbie]

Isn't keeping her alive because the doctors "might" be wrong about her condition, and that she may someday be restored to a better state akin to making it manditory for everybody that dies to be frozen in liquid nitrogen because someday we may be able to restore their life, and what right do we have to deny them that, etc. ?

Aren't the odds about the same?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: preCRT
Don't waste your time arguing with rip or luvly, neither one is capable of admitting when they are wrong nor capable of seeing the truth.

Still wondering why Schiavo's attorney argues that Terri is a "vegetable" and then boasts that her room is filled with flowers and soft music and she has a teddy tucked under her harm.

Care to explain?

Care to explain why the father said she looked like death warmed over last Friday and the next day, Saturday, recanted his observations of her condition and said she looked all rosey? Hmmm.

If it's not bad enough that the state is killing the daughter, now the left-wing wackos are vilifying the father.

It's an upside down world.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by: OCNewbie
Isn't keeping her alive because the doctors "might" be wrong about her condition, and that she may someday be restored to a better state akin to making it manditory for everybody that dies to be frozen in liquid nitrogen because someday we may be able to restore their life, and what right do we have to deny them that, etc. ?

Aren't the odds about the same?

No. In most cases, the odds of the dead being brought back is greatly higher for the most part because their brain is still a solid material as opposed to a liquid. Not true in all cases mind you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: preCRT
Don't waste your time arguing with rip or luvly, neither one is capable of admitting when they are wrong nor capable of seeing the truth.

Still wondering why Schiavo's attorney argues that Terri is a "vegetable" and then boasts that her room is filled with flowers and soft music and she has a teddy tucked under her harm.

Care to explain?

Care to explain why the father said she looked like death warmed over last Friday and the next day, Saturday, recanted his observations of her condition and said she looked all rosey? Hmmm.

If it's not bad enough that the state is killing the daughter, now the left-wing wackos are vilifying the father.

It's an upside down world.

Hmmm, wonder why they did this in the middle of the night???

Rip, Savage and the rest may still rejoice in Veggie land yet:

3-30-2005 Federal Appeals Court OKs Schiavo Review

ATLANTA - A federal appeals court early Wednesday agreed to consider a petition by Terri Schiavo's parents for a new hearing on whether to reconnect their severely brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube.

Now, the court is considering the request for a new trial rather than whether the state court rulings have met legal standards under Florida law, which is what federal courts have done in the case up to now.

Federal courts were given jurisdiction to review Schiavo's case after Republicans in Congress pushed through unprecedented emergency legislation over the weekend aimed at prolonging Schiavo's life.