Official Terri Schiavo Thread

[Don Vito Corleone]

RIP, Terri. Finally you're in a better place.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Rest in peace. Sorry your last days were made into a poltical circus. You deserved better.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Looking Back

David Corn adds an overview to the politicization of the Legend of Terri . . .

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Terri Schiavo is dead. Whatever happens in death--resting in peace, meeting one's maker, or nothing--has now happened for her. I hope her family members--on both sides--can find their peace. I hope her husband is not hounded or hunted by extremists. I hope her blood relatives can move on. But I don't think we should forget how certain scoundrels crassly exploited this family conflict. No doubt, some of the supporters of Schiavo's parents were moved by sincere concerns and principles. But the motives of the politicians and crusaders who rushed in can be called into question. I did a roundup of the hypocrisy a few days ago, and Tom DeLay, of course, was included. But I did not bash him for playing God, which is what he did yesterday. Responding to the news report that DeLay and his family withheld life-sustaining care from his father when he was in a coma, DeLay said, "My father was on life support and dying. Schiavo is living and wants to live."

Wants to live? How did DeLay know that? Does he possess insight or psychic powers unknown to the rest of us? The Florida courts ruled that she was in a persistent vegetative state (PVS), which would mean she could not consciously resolve to live. DeLay and the parents challenged that diagnosis. Even if they were right and she was in some state shy of PVS, did that mean she wanted to stay alive? Perhaps in such a state she felt unending pain or discomfort. Perhaps she had some degree of consciousness and still did not want to live in this condition. DeLay could not know her true desires. By claiming he did, he was acting far beyond his authority as majority leader of the House of Representatives. He was bullshitting for partisan gain.

Then this morning, shortly after the death of Terri Schiavo, Randall Terry, the antiabortion activist who became one of the many spokespersons for the Schindler family, was crying on television. "It's unthinkable," he said through the tears. "The fact that Terri did not have her family with her [at the moment of her death]...is unconceivable." Apparently, Michael, her husband, permitted the Schindlers to see Terri ten or so minutes before her death, but Michael did not let them stay in the room beyond that point. Without knowing all the details, I can only say that it seems unfortunate that Michael Schiavo would not allow the Schindlers to remain at Terri's side. But I find it hard to take Terry's tears seriously. This is a fellow who preaches (his versions of) family values but who was booted out of his church for having an affair and leaving his wife. He also rejected his daughter for being a lesbian. Yet now he cries for the plight of another family, and as he does so he demonizes Michael, suggesting Michael could not bother to be with Terri at the time of his death: "I don't think Michael would leave his common-law wife, come in there and have much grief for Terri." (Friends of Michael say he was with Terri when she died.) So the guy who broke up his own family questions the commitment of a man who could have walked away from his brain-damaged wife and dumped her on her family years ago but who stayed involved for years (and who at first spent years trying to find her effective treatments and therapies). Can you say chutzpah?

There remains much to process in the Schiavo matter. Why did so many Americans become emotionally bound to the case of this woman? Why did they care so much for this one life? Are they as concerned about the lives of civilians killed during military actions in Iraq? Or those who die in the United States because they lack access to quality health care? How far does the "culture of life" extend? (CNN broke from a noontime White House press conference on the release of a new report on WMD intelligence to return to its coverage of the Schiavo story.) George W. Bush and the Republican congressional leaders believed it was necessary for the federal government to intervene in this case, why did they not take further action after the federal courts turned down the Schindlers' appeals? DeLay, for one, argued that the federal court decisions were an arrogant usurpation of power because, in his view, these judges disregarded the law passed by Congress. If that was indeed the case, then shouldn't Congress have appealed those decisions to the Supreme Court or passed another law? But DeLay and the others choose to do nothing--after polls showed their intervention was tremendously unpopular with the American public. So how much did they care about Terri the person as opposed to Terri the issue?

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of instances when a feeding tube is removed from a person deemed beyond hope. Do the supporters of the Schindlers, like Jesse Jackson, believe a feeding tube should never be pulled? The Schindler side has described the subsequent death as terribly gruesome. Jackson called it "crude" and "cruel." Does this mean that even someone who signed a living will should not be allowed to meet such a fate? Or, perhaps more to the point, in a case when there is no living will but a guardian makes the decision to withdraw a feeding tube (and there is no conflict among family members), should this option not be permitted? Is Jackson now going to advocate federal and state laws that prohibit the removal of feeding tubes? Does this extend to breathing tubes and other forms of care? There are many ways to keep a person alive. When I heard Jackson discuss the Schiavo case, he focused on the intrinsic value of life. So what then are the guidelines for providing care to people who are comatose, brain-damaged or otherwise severely impaired?

Perhaps with Terri Schiavo finally dead, there can be a debate--free of political exploitation and self-serving exaggerations--about these difficult end-of-life issues. But I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[conjur]

See what I mean? It's far from over:

Conference Demands: No More Terri Schiavos
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=45109

Rick Scarborough, acting chairman of the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration, expressed sadness at the death of Terri Schiavo and offered his heartfelt condolences to the Schindler family.

"Terri Schiavo's suffering is over, God rest her soul," Scarborough commented. "Now our mission is to ensure that there will be no more Terri Schiavos -- that no other disabled person is subjected to her cruel fate."

"The Schiavo case demonstrates the mortal danger of giving judges the unbridled power of life and death," Scarborough charged.

In just one week, the Council's first conference -- Confronting The Judicial War On Faith -- will convene at the Washington Marriott in Washington, D.C. Confronting The Judicial War On Faith will address the rising tide of judicial despotism, of which the Schiavo case is the latest and most poignant example.

Keynote speakers will include House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was instrumental in moving the Schiavo legislation through Congress, and David C. Gibbs, Esq. of the Christian Law Association, who represented Terri's parents in their valiant efforts to save her life.

Other speakers at the Confronting The Judicial War On Faith conference (April 7-8) include: Sen. Sam Brownback, former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, Alan Keyes, former Vatican Ambassador Ray Flynn, Rep. Steve Chabot, Rep. Todd Akin, Phyllis Schlafly and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

The conference also will consider Ten Commandments displays and the right of Americans to publicly acknowledge God, judicial nominations, the judicial assault on marriage and remedies to judicial tyranny.

Scarborough stressed: "This will be an action-oriented conference. Our purpose is to draw up a plan of action to oppose the liberal judges who have abrogated our most precious human rights -- including Terri Schiavo's right to life. Out of it will come a coalition of family groups, ministries and churches dedicated to restoring constitutional rights and liberty."

For more information on the Confronting The Judicial War On Faith Conference -- including a complete list of speakers, program and information on registration -- go to http://www.stopactivistjudges.org or call 866-522-5582.

These fvcking morons will NEVER cease. They just don't care that Terri's own wishes were to not be kept alive artificially.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Why weren't they so damned concerned when Bush ordered the execution of
over 150 inmates on death row in Texas when he was the Goober down here ?

For God's sake - some of them were Mentaly Retarded, and Children !

Oh, forgot, he had it done by a Rubber Stamp with his buddy Alfonso Gonzle-ass just preping the paper,
so 'He', Bush Almighty, didn't have to soil his hands in such trivial maters - after all it's not like they were really White people,
or Conservative Religious Zealot Republican Voters.

"Oh We Owe, We Owe, her"

 

[conjur]

Or that black baby that was disconnected from its life support *against* the parents' wishes.


Fvcking hypocrites.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: conjur
See what I mean? It's far from over:

Conference Demands: No More Terri Schiavos
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=45109

Rick Scarborough, acting chairman of the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration, expressed sadness at the death of Terri Schiavo and offered his heartfelt condolences to the Schindler family.

"Terri Schiavo's suffering is over, God rest her soul," Scarborough commented. "Now our mission is to ensure that there will be no more Terri Schiavos -- that no other disabled person is subjected to her cruel fate."

"The Schiavo case demonstrates the mortal danger of giving judges the unbridled power of life and death," Scarborough charged.

In just one week, the Council's first conference -- Confronting The Judicial War On Faith -- will convene at the Washington Marriott in Washington, D.C. Confronting The Judicial War On Faith will address the rising tide of judicial despotism, of which the Schiavo case is the latest and most poignant example.

Keynote speakers will include House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was instrumental in moving the Schiavo legislation through Congress, and David C. Gibbs, Esq. of the Christian Law Association, who represented Terri's parents in their valiant efforts to save her life.

Other speakers at the Confronting The Judicial War On Faith conference (April 7-8) include: Sen. Sam Brownback, former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, Alan Keyes, former Vatican Ambassador Ray Flynn, Rep. Steve Chabot, Rep. Todd Akin, Phyllis Schlafly and Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

The conference also will consider Ten Commandments displays and the right of Americans to publicly acknowledge God, judicial nominations, the judicial assault on marriage and remedies to judicial tyranny.

Scarborough stressed: "This will be an action-oriented conference. Our purpose is to draw up a plan of action to oppose the liberal judges who have abrogated our most precious human rights -- including Terri Schiavo's right to life. Out of it will come a coalition of family groups, ministries and churches dedicated to restoring constitutional rights and liberty."

For more information on the Confronting The Judicial War On Faith Conference -- including a complete list of speakers, program and information on registration -- go to http://www.stopactivistjudges.org or call 866-522-5582.

These fvcking morons will NEVER cease. They just don't care that Terri's own wishes were to not be kept alive artificially.

They are really pissed they lost this battle but they vow to win the War against Freedom and individual rights.

More from the Fundies running the Country:

House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., called on Congress to pass the broader legislation favored throughout the process by House Republicans

"Terri's will to live should serve as an inspiration and impetus for action," Sensenbrenner said.

DeLay appeared to condemn judges who at both the state and federal level declined to order that Schiavo be kept alive artificially.

This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," the Texas Republican said. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior

 

[conjur]

"Terri's will to live", eh?

Despite the fact that she almost NO BRAIN she still had a will to live. Amazing. What a trooper she was.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

They are really pissed they lost this battle but they vow to win the War against Freedom and individual rights.

More from the Fundies running the Country:

House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., called on Congress to pass the broader legislation favored throughout the process by House Republicans

"Terri's will to live should serve as an inspiration and impetus for action," Sensenbrenner said.

DeLay appeared to condemn judges who at both the state and federal level declined to order that Schiavo be kept alive artificially.

This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change," the Texas Republican said. The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior

damn, that last quote was the most hypocritical statement he could have said. what an ass-hat. and then there's bush's quote:

"I urge all those who honor Terri Schiavo to continue to work to build a culture of life where all Americans are welcomed and valued and protected."

 

[HeaterCore]

Bush was actually relatively evenhanded. Delay, of course, is an ass. "The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." What, is he forecasting the apocalypse?

As for the fundamentalists, they're more than free to try and change state laws to require a writing before removing feeding tubes or the like. They're entitled to their opinion, and they're entitled to advocate it -- but only through constitutional, legislative means, unlike the crap they tried to pull in this case.

-HC-

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yup, I guess I was. I thought that the America I live in was better than this.

We've just witnessed a judicial homicide.

< Translation >


Pinellas-Pasco County Circuit Court Judge George Greer

Florida Second District Court of Appeal Chief Judge Chris W. Altenbernd Judge Charles A. Davis, Judge Carolyn K. Fulmer, Judge Morris Silberman, Judge James W. Whatley Judge Patricia J. Kelly, Judge Stevan T. Northcutt, Judge Charles T. Canady, Judge Darryl C. Casanueva, Judge Craig C. Villanti, Judge E.J. Salcines Judge Douglas A. Wallace, Judge Thomas E. Stringer, Sr. and Judge Edward LaRose

Florida Supreme Court Chief Judge Barbara J. Pariente, Judge Charles T. Wells, Judge Harry Lee Anstead, Judge R. Fred Lewis, Judge Peggy A. Quince, Judge Raoul G. Cantero-III and Judge Kenneth B. Bell

US Supreme Court Chief Judge Rehnquist, William H., Associate Judge Sandra Day O?Connor, Associate Judge Antonin Scalia, Associate Judge Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Judge David H. Souter, Associate Judge Clarence Thomas, Associate Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Associate Judge Stephen G. Breyer

Eleventh Circuit Chief Judge J.L. Edmondson, Judge R. Lanier Anderson, Judge Stanley F. Birch, Jr., Judge Joel F. Dubina, Judge Susan H. Black, Judge Ed Carnes, Judge Rosemary Barkett, Judge Frank M. Hull, Judge Stanley Marcus and Judge William H. Pryor Jr.

Its the fault of these judges, these liberal out of control radicals who must be stopped, who plunged the dagger of death into the still beating heart of our future saint, Terri. These judges are out of control and must be stopped by any means possible. They are the root of all social evils in our nation. While they bathe in the blood of Terri, they eat small babies. They're EEEEEVIIIIL!


< /translation >

Actually, America is just better than you.

What we?ve witnessed here is the American judicial process in action. This issue has been brought forth to judicial courts throughout the land and a majority of those judges have ruled that Michael Schivo was just in asking doctors to remove his wife?s feeding tube.

Neo-conservative and evangelical Christians have labeled these judges as left-wing radicals who are rewriting law from the bench. Fortunately, neither the Eleventh Circuit nor the US Supreme Court is anywhere as left leaning as the Ninth Circuit here in the west. I highly doubt that the Florida Second District and Florida Supreme Court is overflowing with liberals, either.

Simply put, Terri?s doctors labeled her PVS and neither comatose nor MCS (minimally conscious state). The judges believed them. The law states that your guardian can choose for you in life or death situations. Michael decided to choose death given Terri?s supposed wishes.

Everything else in this case is simply white noise. The accusations of abuse, adultery, power mongering, judicial misconduct and the like are simply distractions from the core issue. The diagnostics from medical doctors were claim that Terri was alert? Well, there is a reason that the medical malpractice field in this country is so huge: doctors are human and are subject to mistake and/or misinterpretation.

You and people like you are just pouting because the law is against your values and you don?t like it when judges rule in a fashion that does not please you. So you slander them. You demonize them. You vilify anyone who doesn?t agree with you. Shamefully, this is what people like you do because you think that you?re always right.

That is why 80% of Americans are better than you. They see through the noise. They see past their personal preferences and see what the law actually says. You never will.

 

[HeaterCore]

That is why 80% of Americans are better than you. They see through the noise. They see past their personal preferences and see what the law actually says. You never will.

And that's why people like Tom Delay are so scary. They swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, but then publicly state that their personal moral convictions trump the Constitution. (Of course, he doesn't believe his moral convictions are personal, but "universal." Really. Check the USA Today editorial.) Twenty years ago, you would've never seen a Senator say anything remotely like that.

-HC-

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: ToeJam13

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Yup, I guess I was. I thought that the America I live in was better than this.

We've just witnessed a judicial homicide.

< Translation >


Pinellas-Pasco County Circuit Court Judge George Greer

Florida Second District Court of Appeal Chief Judge Chris W. Altenbernd Judge Charles A. Davis, Judge Carolyn K. Fulmer, Judge Morris Silberman, Judge James W. Whatley Judge Patricia J. Kelly, Judge Stevan T. Northcutt, Judge Charles T. Canady, Judge Darryl C. Casanueva, Judge Craig C. Villanti, Judge E.J. Salcines Judge Douglas A. Wallace, Judge Thomas E. Stringer, Sr. and Judge Edward LaRose

Florida Supreme Court Chief Judge Barbara J. Pariente, Judge Charles T. Wells, Judge Harry Lee Anstead, Judge R. Fred Lewis, Judge Peggy A. Quince, Judge Raoul G. Cantero-III and Judge Kenneth B. Bell

US Supreme Court Chief Judge Rehnquist, William H., Associate Judge Sandra Day O?Connor, Associate Judge Antonin Scalia, Associate Judge Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Judge David H. Souter, Associate Judge Clarence Thomas, Associate Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Associate Judge Stephen G. Breyer

Eleventh Circuit Chief Judge J.L. Edmondson, Judge R. Lanier Anderson, Judge Stanley F. Birch, Jr., Judge Joel F. Dubina, Judge Susan H. Black, Judge Ed Carnes, Judge Rosemary Barkett, Judge Frank M. Hull, Judge Stanley Marcus and Judge William H. Pryor Jr.

Its the fault of these judges, these liberal out of control radicals who must be stopped, who plunged the dagger of death into the still beating heart of our future saint, Terri. These judges are out of control and must be stopped by any means possible. They are the root of all social evils in our nation. While they bathe in the blood of Terri, they eat small babies. They're EEEEEVIIIIL!


< /translation >

Actually, America is just better than you.

What we?ve witnessed here is the American judicial process in action. This issue has been brought forth to judicial courts throughout the land and a majority of those judges have ruled that Michael Schivo was just in asking doctors to remove his wife?s feeding tube.

Neo-conservative and evangelical Christians have labeled these judges as left-wing radicals who are rewriting law from the bench. Fortunately, neither the Eleventh Circuit nor the US Supreme Court is anywhere as left leaning as the Ninth Circuit here in the west. I highly doubt that the Florida Second District and Florida Supreme Court is overflowing with liberals, either.

Simply put, Terri?s doctors labeled her PVS and neither comatose nor MCS (minimally conscious state). The judges believed them. The law states that your guardian can choose for you in life or death situations. Michael decided to choose death given Terri?s supposed wishes.

Everything else in this case is simply white noise. The accusations of abuse, adultery, power mongering, judicial misconduct and the like are simply distractions from the core issue. The diagnostics from medical doctors were claim that Terri was alert? Well, there is a reason that the medical malpractice field in this country is so huge: doctors are human and are subject to mistake and/or misinterpretation.

You and people like you are just pouting because the law is against your values and you don?t like it when judges rule in a fashion that does not please you. So you slander them. You demonize them. You vilify anyone who doesn?t agree with you. Shamefully, this is what people like you do because you think that you?re always right.

That is why 80% of Americans are better than you. They see through the noise. They see past their personal preferences and see what the law actually says. You never will.

I like how John Koltyn put it. The radical right hit a propaganda wall on this one. All their usual lies, and misdirection, and misinformation, and smears, and namecalling designed to distract people from the truth didn't work.

They got caught for the frauds they are. No one bought the "this isn't America" BS they constantly try to feed - this WAS America, in it's purest form, protecting the rights of others from those who would trample all over them.

This was freedom, protected.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Wow payback is a bitch...Michael Shiavo denied entry to the hospice for her parents and brother during the final moments.

I don't blame the guy considering the hatchet job that Terri's family, and the gang of religious right nutjobs surrounding them, have done to him.

This is far from over...expect a wrongful death lawsuit from Terri's family against Michael, the state, the federal government and everyone else they want to hold accountable for this "tragedy."

Interesting that no one is saying peep about her eating disorder, which put her in the coma to begin with.

Doesn't matter though...Terri's family just hit the litigation lottery...expect the made for TV movie by next week.

I hope they do well in their plight against that A hole of a so called husband...he deserves to be financially ruined by this affair...I can understand his desire to have her die so that he could shack up with somone new, but to deny the family the right to see their daughter in the last moments of her life is just wrong.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Wow payback is a bitch...Michael Shiavo denied entry to the hospice for her parents and brother during the final moments.

I don't blame the guy considering the hatchet job that Terri's family, and the gang of religious right nutjobs surrounding them, have done to him.

This is far from over...expect a wrongful death lawsuit from Terri's family against Michael, the state, the federal government and everyone else they want to hold accountable for this "tragedy."

Interesting that no one is saying peep about her eating disorder, which put her in the coma to begin with.

Doesn't matter though...Terri's family just hit the litigation lottery...expect the made for TV movie by next week.

I hope they do well in their plight against that A hole of a so called husband...he deserves to be financially ruined by this affair...I can understand his desire to have her die so that he could shack up with somone new, but to deny the family the right to see their daughter in the last moments of her life is just wrong.

The "A hole" husband who stuck by her for 15 years to see her wish come to fruition? The "A hole" husband who could have very easily divorced her or given power of attorney to her parents and been done with the whole thing but didn't? The "A hole" husband who did allow her parents to see her in her final hours?

You might want to check the news before spouting off.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/schiavo/index.html

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: joshw10

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I could be wrong, but my gut tells me that Terri is going to live.

you were wrong.

finally this can be over.

Yup, I guess I was. I thought that the America I live in was better than this.

We've just witnessed a judicial homicide.

so removing the feeding tube of a brain dead person is homocide? then i guess these people are murderers too.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
For all the relifreaks who keep dragging God into it:

If God didn't want her dead she wouldn't have died right? Or do people decide when one dies, rather than your god? (Meaning he is powerless to stop it, or can't be bothered to) And if he so clearly did want her to die, then aren't you a satanist to be opposing his wish? Do you claim to know whose time it is better than your own god?

People who bring the "God didn't want her dead" argument fail to realize that God did nothing to keep her alive. Thus either there is no God or this act of her dying is God's way of proving to us that he wanted her to come pay him a visit.

Though if I were a religous person I think that she was already at his side 15 years ago when her brain turned to mush but that's just my thinking on the matter.

 

[ToeJam13]

Originally posted by: jhu
so removing the feeding tube of a brain dead person is homocide? then i guess these people are murderers too.

"Thou shall do no murder" - Matthew 19:18
"Thou shall not kill" - Matthew 5:21

Webster Dictionary Definition of MURDER:
1 : the crime of unlawfully Killing a Person especially with malice aforethought.

Webster Dictionary Definition of KILL:
1 : to deprive one of Life.

Webster Dictionary Definition of LIFE:
1a : the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
1b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings
1c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction


I've always followed the Matthew 19:18 definition of the sixth commandment. We must kill each day in order to survive, because even vegetarians are killers ? they cause plant life to cease when they are harvested.

I do not believe that Terri was murdered. There was no hate or malice towards her.

I also do not believe that Terri?s doctor killed her. Her heart attack that lead to catastrophic brain damage killed her. The feeding tube was merely delaying the inevitable.

 

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DearQT
He doesn't have to have anything to gain except self-satisfaction and control. How many abusive men have you heard of who had much to gain--except much to lose?

I'm glad the subject of keeping her alive is finally over, albeit the will of the so-called husband. And I do know that the average American will return to his/her business and forget Terri. However, I do hope that the few who care about our justice system will pursue this matter until a full investigation is made to answer the lingering questions.

What lingering questions? The only question I have is why Congress and the President got involved with this? The justicies handled this appropriately and justly. They made all the right decisions. I'm happy that Terri finally got her wish. Now she can R.I.P.

A whole lot! Frankly, I don't care about politics. I wasn't even adamant about keeping her alive as I was disturbed--and I still am--about what led to her collapse. And I do not think that the questions should disappear now that she has died.

There are two competing theories as to what led to the whole saga in the first place. Michael has given different versions of the events of the first day of Terri's collapse. Even his malpractice attorney couldn't get his story straight on FOX with Greta. One theory and purported by the general public based on what the media has spouted is that she suffered from bulimia, which led to low potassium and a "heart attack" as a result of the low potassium.

But in the first place, she did not have a heart attack. In fact, her medical discharge summary shows that she didn't. However, she did have a cardiac arrest. The question then is, what caused her cardiac arrest? There are many possibilities besides heart attack. Could low potassium have caused it? Well, that in of itself is disputed in the medical field. Nonetheless, it is very unlikely that low potassium would have caused it. For even amongst those who believe it could be due to low potassium, it is usually with a patient who had heart problem in the first place! By all indications, she did not have a heart problem. As Dr. Michael Baden said, it is much more common for high potassium to lead to such problem than it is for low potassium. And it is hard for me to believe that she would suddenly experience such if it was due to low potassium without something having happened earlier to signal warning. The police were routed to a homicide scene per the request of the paramedics. I wonder if the many medicines that the police found in her house, of which only two had her name, could suggest anything. The police concluded that there was no head trauma. However, the medical summary reveals a stiff neck, muscles and a bone scan, months later, revealed "a history of trauma".

Some of you will say that the allegations have been proven by the court to be false. That would be an incorrect statement. The probate judge does not prosecute criminal cases. And even when request was made for suspension of ruling until the bone scan result could be investigated, the judge dismissed it without explanation of why it was irrelevant to "Theresa Marie Schiavo in 2002 and the Mandate of the Second District Court of Appeal". The question is, why didn't the DA launch an investigation? Of course his response to the letter was that the circumstantial evidences such as Michael's immediate DNR note upon winning the malpractice case was irrelevant because Michael was free to change his mind. Then for the forensic evidence, he just dismissed it because it had exceeded the statute of limitation. It would be a travesty of justice thrice and more if this matter isn't further investigated. I don't care if the statute of limitation had run out. In other cases, the DAs investigated cases even though they could do nothing to prosecute the cases. And again, I say, if a full investigation exonerates everyone, then so be it. But do the damn thing! I hope that it's much easier on the family now that she's gone to focus on what led to her collapse. I wonder where all of the people who witnessed the event on that night and all of those who actually took care of her for months are!

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: DearQT

A whole lot! Frankly, I don't care about politics. I wasn't even adamant about keeping her alive as I was disturbed--and I still am--about what led to her collapse. And I do not think that the questions should disappear now that she has died.

There are two competing theories as to what led to the whole saga in the first place. Michael has given different versions of the events of the first day of Terri's collapse. Even his malpractice attorney couldn't get his story straight on FOX with Greta. One theory and purported by the general public based on what the media has spouted is that she suffered from bulimia, which led to low potassium and a "heart attack" as a result of the low potassium.

But in the first place, she did not have a heart attack. In fact, her medical discharge summary shows that she didn't. However, she did have a cardiac arrest. The question then is, what caused her cardiac arrest? There are many possibilities besides heart attack. Could low potassium have caused it? Well, that in of itself is disputed in the medical field. Nonetheless, it is very unlikely that low potassium would have caused it. For even amongst those who believe it could be due to low potassium, it is usually with a patient who had heart problem in the first place! By all indications, she did not have a heart problem. As Dr. Michael Baden said, it is much more common for high potassium to lead to such problem than it is for low potassium. And it is hard for me to believe that she would suddenly experience such if it was due to low potassium without something having happened earlier to signal warning. The police were routed to a homicide scene per the request of the paramedics. I wonder if the many medicines that the police found in her house, of which only two had her name, could suggest anything. The police concluded that there was no head trauma. However, the medical summary reveals a stiff neck, muscles and a bone scan, months later, revealed "a history of trauma".

you fail to mention that she was unresponsive when ems arrived, was hypotensive, and required several defibrillation attempts. the chart does states the principle diagnosis is cardiac arrest. however, since you want to be picky, her heart entered a dysrhythmic state which can be caused by hypo- or hyperkalemia. it may or may not have had cardiac arrested.

 

[sandorski]

RIP

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: DearQT

A whole lot! Frankly, I don't care about politics. I wasn't even adamant about keeping her alive as I was disturbed--and I still am--about what led to her collapse. And I do not think that the questions should disappear now that she has died.

There are two competing theories as to what led to the whole saga in the first place. Michael has given different versions of the events of the first day of Terri's collapse. Even his malpractice attorney couldn't get his story straight on FOX with Greta. One theory and purported by the general public based on what the media has spouted is that she suffered from bulimia, which led to low potassium and a "heart attack" as a result of the low potassium.

But in the first place, she did not have a heart attack. In fact, her medical discharge summary shows that she didn't. However, she did have a cardiac arrest. The question then is, what caused her cardiac arrest? There are many possibilities besides heart attack. Could low potassium have caused it? Well, that in of itself is disputed in the medical field. Nonetheless, it is very unlikely that low potassium would have caused it. For even amongst those who believe it could be due to low potassium, it is usually with a patient who had heart problem in the first place! By all indications, she did not have a heart problem. As Dr. Michael Baden said, it is much more common for high potassium to lead to such problem than it is for low potassium. And it is hard for me to believe that she would suddenly experience such if it was due to low potassium without something having happened earlier to signal warning. The police were routed to a homicide scene per the request of the paramedics. I wonder if the many medicines that the police found in her house, of which only two had her name, could suggest anything. The police concluded that there was no head trauma. However, the medical summary reveals a stiff neck, muscles and a bone scan, months later, revealed "a history of trauma".

you fail to mention that she was unresponsive when ems arrived, was hypotensive, and required several defibrillation attempts. serial enzymes did not reveal an infarct, so she did not have cardiac arrest either. her heart entered a dysrhythmic state which can be caused by hypo- or hyperkalemia.

Shh. Facts are useless. He must have done it to her. He figured out a way to lower her K level to almost nothing. He is a genius. He is also a master manipulator for being able to convince a jury that Terris Doctor was the one at fault, not him. Then, he was able to snow:

Pinellas-Pasco County Circuit Court Judge George Greer

Florida Second District Court of Appeal Chief Judge Chris W. Altenbernd Judge Charles A. Davis, Judge Carolyn K. Fulmer, Judge Morris Silberman, Judge James W. Whatley Judge Patricia J. Kelly, Judge Stevan T. Northcutt, Judge Charles T. Canady, Judge Darryl C. Casanueva, Judge Craig C. Villanti, Judge E.J. Salcines Judge Douglas A. Wallace, Judge Thomas E. Stringer, Sr. and Judge Edward LaRose

Florida Supreme Court Chief Judge Barbara J. Pariente, Judge Charles T. Wells, Judge Harry Lee Anstead, Judge R. Fred Lewis, Judge Peggy A. Quince, Judge Raoul G. Cantero-III and Judge Kenneth B. Bell

US Supreme Court Chief Judge Rehnquist, William H., Associate Judge Sandra Day O?Connor, Associate Judge Antonin Scalia, Associate Judge Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Judge David H. Souter, Associate Judge Clarence Thomas, Associate Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Associate Judge Stephen G. Breyer

Eleventh Circuit Chief Judge J.L. Edmondson, Judge R. Lanier Anderson, Judge Stanley F. Birch, Jr., Judge Joel F. Dubina, Judge Susan H. Black, Judge Ed Carnes, Judge Rosemary Barkett, Judge Frank M. Hull, Judge Stanley Marcus and Judge William H. Pryor Jr.

I want some of what he is eating for breakfast!

 

[Riprorin]

Here's a good article on Dr. Cranford, aka "Dr. Death".

Link

I wouldn't let this guy near my pet.

 

[Gaard]

Finally.


Thanks for the links, conjur. For some reason, I get enjoyment whenever Scarborough gets made a fool of. I watched Al Franken hand him his ass a few days ago, poor Joe just about started crying.

And I don't know if it's true or not, but if the story of Terri's parents selling donator names to marketting companies is true, a big FU to them.

 

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: DearQT

A whole lot! Frankly, I don't care about politics. I wasn't even adamant about keeping her alive as I was disturbed--and I still am--about what led to her collapse. And I do not think that the questions should disappear now that she has died.

There are two competing theories as to what led to the whole saga in the first place. Michael has given different versions of the events of the first day of Terri's collapse. Even his malpractice attorney couldn't get his story straight on FOX with Greta. One theory and purported by the general public based on what the media has spouted is that she suffered from bulimia, which led to low potassium and a "heart attack" as a result of the low potassium.

But in the first place, she did not have a heart attack. In fact, her medical discharge summary shows that she didn't. However, she did have a cardiac arrest. The question then is, what caused her cardiac arrest? There are many possibilities besides heart attack. Could low potassium have caused it? Well, that in of itself is disputed in the medical field. Nonetheless, it is very unlikely that low potassium would have caused it. For even amongst those who believe it could be due to low potassium, it is usually with a patient who had heart problem in the first place! By all indications, she did not have a heart problem. As Dr. Michael Baden said, it is much more common for high potassium to lead to such problem than it is for low potassium. And it is hard for me to believe that she would suddenly experience such if it was due to low potassium without something having happened earlier to signal warning. The police were routed to a homicide scene per the request of the paramedics. I wonder if the many medicines that the police found in her house, of which only two had her name, could suggest anything. The police concluded that there was no head trauma. However, the medical summary reveals a stiff neck, muscles and a bone scan, months later, revealed "a history of trauma".

you fail to mention that she was unresponsive when ems arrived, was hypotensive, and required several defibrillation attempts. the chart does states the principle diagnosis is cardiac arrest. however, since you want to be picky, her heart entered a dysrhythmic state which can be caused by hypo- or hyperkalemia. it may or may not have had cardiac arrested.

Again, I am not saying that I am certain about what took place, but I am saying that there's reason for suspicion and sufficient reason to launch an investigation. When you add up Michael's character and profile with the physical evidence, there's reason to question. A full investigation may exonerate Michael or anyone else at the end, but do the damn thing! What harm besides financial expense would it cause? By the way, hypotension could occur with choking.