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spidey07

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I have a question about indoor tomatoes. My wife planted some around new years in our basement. They are now nearly 3' tall and covered with flowers. But, it is still about 1 month until we can safely plant them outside. Is there a good way to pollinate the tomatoes without wind or insects? I'd like to get some tomatoes growing and not lose these early chances.

Shake them, or take an electric tooth brush to the stalks. Self polinating, just needs vibration to move the pollen inside the flower. Each blossom pollinates itself.
 

dullard

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Shake them, or take an electric tooth brush to the stalks. Self polinating, just needs vibration to move the pollen inside the flower. Each blossom pollinates itself.
Thanks, I'll try that. It has been fantastic eating homegrown microgreens and lettuces for most of the winter. Hopefully, we can get some spring veggies going well before they'd normally be ready.

A $10 florescent light fixture with $3 bulbs (not those $50 bulbs they try to sell for growing plants) on a chain (so you can raise it as the plants grow) with a timer works very well for growing things indoors (I got a timer built into a light switch, it couldn't be easier to control). In case anyone was wanting to try it themselves.
 
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spidey07

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Also look into tomato pollination viability with temperature. Too hot and the pollen is dead, I'm pretty sure it's the same if too cool. When you move them outside you'll for sure want to acclimate them somewhat and take maybe a week of gradually putting them outside for more and more time. Similar to the process of hardening off seedlings you've had indoors.

And remember, frost will just about kill any tomato plant, a freeze and they're dead. So check your last frost dates and watch the forecasts.
 

IceBergSLiM

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I need to build 2 more raised beds. With these I will have 3 in total. I am going to use one for spinach/other leafy greens, one for eggplant, and one for tomatoes.

We also plant Indian vegetables (squash, bitter gourd, chinese okra, lemon cucumber, tindora, etc)

I have access to some left over wood and want to take a crack at building a couple raised beds. Do you have any tips? Do you know of any good guides on the matter?
 

BoomerD

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I have access to some left over wood and want to take a crack at building a couple raised beds. Do you have any tips? Do you know of any good guides on the matter?

It's not that difficult...IMO, the most important part is location. You need at least 6 hours of direct sunlight on the area where you want to plant.
Building a raised bed is simple...make a large box out of 2 X 6 or larger lumber. Redwood or cedar will last for several years. Pine/fir will rot in a year or two.
I built my raised beds out of 2 X 12 redwood.
(got a killer deal...2 X 12 X 12' for $8.00 at Lowes at the end of the season...I bought all they had that wasn't split)
 

DesiPower

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I am building one right now with 6 inch wide fence boards and fence posts. I just want it to last one season... cheap as hell, I will have a 6' x 6' x 18" for around $30!!!
 

BoomerD

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My radishes are doing very well. It looks like most are about the size of a dime already. My pepper plants have blossoms, my tomatoes are in blossom, strawberries all have blooms, and my blueberries are starting to drop the blossoms...and berries are forming.
Hopefully, this will be another good harvest year.
 

natto fire

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Yeah, we finished re-roofing our greenhouse in February. I started some lettuce boxes in March which I have been munching on for quite a while (did my 4th "harvest" the other day). Now most of the space is used for starts that we will put in the ground in a month or so.

Total area cultivated is probably approaching 3 acres with ~1 acre dedicated to 27 rows of raspberries. Lots of renovation was needed, though as some of the growing areas are over 10 years old here, and the desert is not exactly kind to gardens and the various systems needed to support them here.

My biggest project is getting good at vermicomposting, and designing a better compost sifter. I am a bit fanatical about soil.

We have some huge "crops" of bindweed (morning glory) that are overtaking the raspberries now that it is getting warmer. Kind of tricky to deal with because we are pretty much all organic (we have to poison tree of heaven because it is by far the most insidious plant I have ever encountered).

Basically, my life is devoted to gardening between late May and early November. Now that the greenhouse is fixed next winter will involve lots of cooler crops year round too.
 

TraumaRN

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Couple shots of what I've got started so far...




Celery




Peppers and tomatoes, 3 varieties of each



Flat dutch Cabbage, Romanesco broccoli, kale, late onions, late leeks, greek oregano, and genoa basil.
 

DesiPower

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Yeah, we finished re-roofing our greenhouse in February. I started some lettuce boxes in March which I have been munching on for quite a while (did my 4th "harvest" the other day). Now most of the space is used for starts that we will put in the ground in a month or so.

Total area cultivated is probably approaching 3 acres with ~1 acre dedicated to 27 rows of raspberries. Lots of renovation was needed, though as some of the growing areas are over 10 years old here, and the desert is not exactly kind to gardens and the various systems needed to support them here.

My biggest project is getting good at vermicomposting, and designing a better compost sifter. I am a bit fanatical about soil.

We have some huge "crops" of bindweed (morning glory) that are overtaking the raspberries now that it is getting warmer. Kind of tricky to deal with because we are pretty much all organic (we have to poison tree of heaven because it is by far the most insidious plant I have ever encountered).

Basically, my life is devoted to gardening between late May and early November. Now that the greenhouse is fixed next winter will involve lots of cooler crops year round too.

Darn dude... you are a commercial farmer?
 

DesiPower

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I am building one right now with 6 inch wide fence boards and fence posts. I just want it to last one season... cheap as hell, I will have a 6' x 6' x 18" for around $30!!!

I finished this, filled it with about 18" of soil. cost around $50, total cost (including plants) ~$100

Here is my questions though, not all plants are growing up fast and healthy, I am thinking about using some of Urea and phosphate based chemical off the shelf fertilizers like Miracle-Gro LiquaFeed Advance. Any cons? recommendations against it?
 

TraumaRN

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Well my gardening has stalled for the day. It's snowing pretty heavily in Michigan this morning....and of course by Wednesday back to 65 degrees...I'm going to bite the bullet later this week and transplant my cabbage at the minimum.
 

BoomerD

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I finished this, filled it with about 18" of soil. cost around $50, total cost (including plants) ~$100

Here is my questions though, not all plants are growing up fast and healthy, I am thinking about using some of Urea and phosphate based chemical off the shelf fertilizers like Miracle-Gro LiquaFeed Advance. Any cons? recommendations against it?

What did you use for soil? I don't have any problems with using commercial fertilizer/plant food products for the garden...in fact, I use them myself, but you need decent soil to begin with.
 

Sentrosi2121

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Ordered the wood for my raised bed garden last weekend, built and set up on Saturday. Waiting on fill and soil next week.

I built two boxes, one for the garden and another for the herbs. We have some wild mint my wife wants to transplant, so those will be going into a couple of containers. The herb bed is only 4ft x 4ft x 24" high. The garden bed is in the shape of an L. 12ft on the long sides, 8ft on the inner boards and 4ft wide along the L. Again, it's 24" tall. In between the two gardens I'm putting in a 3" layer of red cedar mulch over some landscape fabric.

The reason why I built it tall was because my mother-in-law, who lives next door to us, wants to get back to gardening and she can't bend over that much anymore. Hopefully this helps her get out and get active again, because she's woefully out of shape.

Pics coming up once I get home. But I'm excited about this project. My question is should I use a couple inches of stone at the bottom of these boxes or should I fill it straight with soil? I'm concerned with burrowing animals that might decide to dig up into my garden. Or is it more economical to put down some 1/2" chicken wire mesh at the bottom of the garden?
 

IceBergSLiM

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It's not that difficult...IMO, the most important part is location. You need at least 6 hours of direct sunlight on the area where you want to plant.
Building a raised bed is simple...make a large box out of 2 X 6 or larger lumber. Redwood or cedar will last for several years. Pine/fir will rot in a year or two.
I built my raised beds out of 2 X 12 redwood.
(got a killer deal...2 X 12 X 12' for $8.00 at Lowes at the end of the season...I bought all they had that wasn't split)

So assuming that building the box is the easy part how do you set up with the proper soil mix etc?
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Ordered the wood for my raised bed garden last weekend, built and set up on Saturday. Waiting on fill and soil next week.

I built two boxes, one for the garden and another for the herbs. We have some wild mint my wife wants to transplant, so those will be going into a couple of containers. The herb bed is only 4ft x 4ft x 24" high. The garden bed is in the shape of an L. 12ft on the long sides, 8ft on the inner boards and 4ft wide along the L. Again, it's 24" tall. In between the two gardens I'm putting in a 3" layer of red cedar mulch over some landscape fabric.

The reason why I built it tall was because my mother-in-law, who lives next door to us, wants to get back to gardening and she can't bend over that much anymore. Hopefully this helps her get out and get active again, because she's woefully out of shape.

Pics coming up once I get home. But I'm excited about this project. My question is should I use a couple inches of stone at the bottom of these boxes or should I fill it straight with soil? I'm concerned with burrowing animals that might decide to dig up into my garden. Or is it more economical to put down some 1/2" chicken wire mesh at the bottom of the garden?

Depends on how well your soil drains. You want well drained soil. If it's clay or doesn't drain well then absolutely put gravel down. It can only help.
 

DesiPower

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What did you use for soil? I don't have any problems with using commercial fertilizer/plant food products for the garden...in fact, I use them myself, but you need decent soil to begin with.

Mostly used el'cheapo "Top Soil", which was like $1.5 for 40 pound bag @ wal-mart and then topped off with Miracle-Gro's Garden Soil for Flowers & Vegetables, about 4 inches of it. I hope that's not a problem... :'(
 

spidey07

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Mostly used el'cheapo "Top Soil", which was like $1.5 for 40 pound bag @ wal-mart and then topped off with Miracle-Gro's Garden Soil for Flowers & Vegetables, about 4 inches of it. I hope that's not a problem... :'(

Should be fine unless it gets compacted. You could add some peat and sand if you wanted and a source of calcium would help. For more assistance about soil for your area contact your local agriculture extension.
 

BoomerD

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Mostly used el'cheapo "Top Soil", which was like $1.5 for 40 pound bag @ wal-mart and then topped off with Miracle-Gro's Garden Soil for Flowers & Vegetables, about 4 inches of it. I hope that's not a problem... :'(

Nah, that should be fine. Many places "native soil" is terrible for gardening, and needs heavy amending.
Many years ago, I ordered several yards of soil/compost mix from one of the local garden centers when I was building a bed for some redwoods. I kept the excess covered in a pile, and added to it with native soil as I did yard work that resulted in extra soil.
I add fresh compost to the garden beds at the end of the season...then a bit more at the beginning of the season and till it in well.
 

DrPizza

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Getting ready... Hopefully, Saturday I pick up a new plow for the tractor. If so, then Sunday I'll put in the pea plants. Possibility of snow (no accumulation) today; so that kind of sucks. But, I'm looking forward to planting a lot this year. Wife and I decided that this is our outdoor year - we've already earmarked the money for a dozen blueberry bushes, some apple, peach, pear, cherry, and plum trees.

It's almost time to start seedlings, but I'm not sure if it's worth the bother. Sure, it'd save me some money, but I can get 6-packs of started plants (tomatoes) for $1 from the Amish greenhouses.
 

DesiPower

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Getting ready... Hopefully, Saturday I pick up a new plow for the tractor. If so, then Sunday I'll put in the pea plants. Possibility of snow (no accumulation) today; so that kind of sucks. But, I'm looking forward to planting a lot this year. Wife and I decided that this is our outdoor year - we've already earmarked the money for a dozen blueberry bushes, some apple, peach, pear, cherry, and plum trees.

It's almost time to start seedlings, but I'm not sure if it's worth the bother. Sure, it'd save me some money, but I can get 6-packs of started plants (tomatoes) for $1 from the Amish greenhouses.

Agreed, I bought started plants about 6 - 9 inch high... they are dirt cheap and you get a good 2 - 4 week head start. Not sure about the trees though, they are expensive and take years to grow so that time wouldn't matter.
 

DesiPower

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Somethings wrong with my plants, I think they are infected. I didn't plant anything for the last 2 years, but I remember the last time I planted the same thing happened and almost killed all the plants except for the Okra ones. They too had a low yield coz of this. Any idea what's causing this? How can this be cured? Is it fungus or insects? Fungicide, insecticide, what brand? I do see some very very small insects, looks like spiders on the soil sometimes.









 

bignateyk

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Somethings wrong with my plants, I think they are infected. I didn't plant anything for the last 2 years, but I remember the last time I planted the same thing happened and almost killed all the plants except for the Okra ones. They too had a low yield coz of this. Any idea what's causing this? How can this be cured? Is it fungus or insects? Fungicide, insecticide, what brand? I do see some very very small insects, looks like spiders on the soil sometimes.










Pretty sure that's some kind of a worm doing that as evidenced by the trail. Id spray them down with a general purpose 3 in 1 like this: http://www.amazon.com/Fungicide3-Ins.../dp/B000HHO110 to cover your bases. Before you spray them though, cut off all the infected leaves if possible.
 
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