Official Xbox 360? Thread...

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Heh I heard that TDU is awful.

dunno where you heard that... eveeryone thats gotten it so far posting on major nelsons site love it...

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Ah check this demo out ASAP. The graphics are as smooth as silk.

What kind of game is Lost Planet? I've never heard of it and don't want to start looking at game sites at work.

Taken from IGN's preview...

"A third-person action game, Lost Planet combines shooting on foot and from the cockpits of Vital Suits (VS), which are scattered around the snow encrusted environments. Players face off against two kinds of enemies, the insectoid Akrids and the ingeniously named Snow Pirates in linear but engaging levels."

Thanks, was trying to think of a good way to describe it. Also;

Shadowrun It's Official

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Looks like it is pretty much going to be a non-issue. If they use the USB and utilize the component outputs, I would imagine it would have to be a non-issue. I know they originally stated down sampling over component to 540p but Sony and some other studios have already backed off that statement. Does the currently released Toshiba HD-DVD players have component? I would imagine they do. I still have a hard time understanding why MS couldn't provide from the get go digital support over HDMI and/or DVI. I'm clueless on that one; the development costs couldn't have been that much more. Time will tell I guess.

Problem is, they didn't back down from ICT - they simply said they won't do it for the first generation of discs. I can't even imagine the PR disaster that would cause Microsoft if it turned out their HD-DVD player couldn't even play at 1080i after a few release.

The cost to add digital video out isn't very much (most modern graphics chips have the appropriate transmitters onboard now), which is why I've always suspected the 360 might indeed have it. The cost to add HDCP is apparently considerable, since you need a hardware chip to do the decoding and store the keys. I've seen figures as high as $10 for each chip, due to supply-side constraints (there aren't a whole lot being made).

-Erwos

It's quite possible the Xbox 360 already includes HDCP support (at least after a firmware upgrade). HDCP support in ATI GPUs is quite common.

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: erwos
The HD-DVD add-on seems promising, but I'm surprised they haven't been more forward about how they're going to resolve the HDCP issues, which are the elephant in the room as this goes. I keep holding out hope that there's a digital output method onboard that still hasn't been used yet - there's been no confirmation one way or the other about it from Microsoft, and the net is full of rumor...

-Erwos

Looks like it is pretty much going to be a non-issue. If they use the USB and utilize the component outputs, I would imagine it would have to be a non-issue. I know they originally stated down sampling over component to 540p but Sony and some other studios have already backed off that statement. Does the currently released Toshiba HD-DVD players have component? I would imagine they do. I still have a hard time understanding why MS couldn't provide from the get go digital support over HDMI and/or DVI. I'm clueless on that one; the development costs couldn't have been that much more. Time will tell I guess.

FWIW, MS still has not yet said that HDMI will be absent.

Furthermore, MS has hinted before that they could provide a digital output if they wanted to on current hardware, but didn't because they didn't think it was warranted... yet. With the release of the HD DVD drive, it's possible that they may feel it's finally warranted to bring that HDMI dongle to the table.

That maybe the case but if you read that last statement from them carefully it looks as if it will be USB to the 360 and use the current outputs.

This new accessory will connect to the Xbox 360 console with a USB cable, enabling it to harness the power of the Xbox 360 console for the HD video outputs and digital surround sound. As an accessory, it becomes another shining example of the flexibility of Xbox 360 designed into the console in order to grow and add new features. It's also just one of several new accessories being announced at E3.

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It does not actually say that it will use the Xbox 360's current video output. It just says it will use the Xbox 360's video output to output video. However, that doesn't stop MS from releasing a DVI or HDMI dongle, with HDCP support. This would leverage HDCP support already built into the Xbox 360's ATI GPU.

Yeah, it's a lot conjecture, but I just want to point out that we are not 100% sure that HDMI/DVI with HDCP is necessarily impossible/cost prohibitive.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Shadowrun It's Official

A few fanboys are proclaiming in that link that this will help MS "win" E3. I fail to even know what Shadowrun is, or why it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. What is it?

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: erwos

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Looks like it is pretty much going to be a non-issue. If they use the USB and utilize the component outputs, I would imagine it would have to be a non-issue. I know they originally stated down sampling over component to 540p but Sony and some other studios have already backed off that statement. Does the currently released Toshiba HD-DVD players have component? I would imagine they do. I still have a hard time understanding why MS couldn't provide from the get go digital support over HDMI and/or DVI. I'm clueless on that one; the development costs couldn't have been that much more. Time will tell I guess.

Problem is, they didn't back down from ICT - they simply said they won't do it for the first generation of discs. I can't even imagine the PR disaster that would cause Microsoft if it turned out their HD-DVD player couldn't even play at 1080i after a few release.

The cost to add digital video out isn't very much (most modern graphics chips have the appropriate transmitters onboard now), which is why I've always suspected the 360 might indeed have it. The cost to add HDCP is apparently considerable, since you need a hardware chip to do the decoding and store the keys. I've seen figures as high as $10 for each chip, due to supply-side constraints (there aren't a whole lot being made).

-Erwos

It's quite possible the Xbox 360 already includes HDCP support (at least after a firmware upgrade). HDCP support in ATI GPUs is quite common.

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: erwos
The HD-DVD add-on seems promising, but I'm surprised they haven't been more forward about how they're going to resolve the HDCP issues, which are the elephant in the room as this goes. I keep holding out hope that there's a digital output method onboard that still hasn't been used yet - there's been no confirmation one way or the other about it from Microsoft, and the net is full of rumor...

-Erwos

Looks like it is pretty much going to be a non-issue. If they use the USB and utilize the component outputs, I would imagine it would have to be a non-issue. I know they originally stated down sampling over component to 540p but Sony and some other studios have already backed off that statement. Does the currently released Toshiba HD-DVD players have component? I would imagine they do. I still have a hard time understanding why MS couldn't provide from the get go digital support over HDMI and/or DVI. I'm clueless on that one; the development costs couldn't have been that much more. Time will tell I guess.

FWIW, MS still has not yet said that HDMI will be absent.

Furthermore, MS has hinted before that they could provide a digital output if they wanted to on current hardware, but didn't because they didn't think it was warranted... yet. With the release of the HD DVD drive, it's possible that they may feel it's finally warranted to bring that HDMI dongle to the table.

That maybe the case but if you read that last statement from them carefully it looks as if it will be USB to the 360 and use the current outputs.

This new accessory will connect to the Xbox 360 console with a USB cable, enabling it to harness the power of the Xbox 360 console for the HD video outputs and digital surround sound. As an accessory, it becomes another shining example of the flexibility of Xbox 360 designed into the console in order to grow and add new features. It's also just one of several new accessories being announced at E3.

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Yeah, it's a lot conjecture, but I just want to point out that we are not 100% sure that HDMI/DVI with HDCP is necessarily impossible/cost prohibitive.

That's true and I hope that is the case to be honest, a HDMI/DVI dongle that is.

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Heh I heard that TDU is awful.

I thought it was fun. But I could see it getting old quickly.

 

[UpgradeFailure]

I was playing TDU tonight and in a 5 min span, my system froze twice. First time I was playing for about 10 mins and it froze, so I shut it down and rebooted and played again, then it froze after 20 sec of driving. I hope it's the game/server, and not my system...

 

[jlmadyson]

$499/599 PS3 US price points, set by Sony tonight.

499=20g HDD
599=60g HDD

Probably will not be a first adopter at this pricing point.

 

[purbeast0]

After watching the Sony conference ... guys I retract my earlier statment about 360 being last at E3.

That conference was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen from Sony. I truly felt bad for them and just couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic the pS3 is going to be.

Now I think it will go Wii, XBox 360, then Sony PS3 in the third place by a long shot.

 

[jlmadyson]

Ah yea, for you Canucks out there it is even worse;

$599=20g HDD
$699=60g HDD

ouch

 

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
After watching the Sony conference ... guys I retract my earlier statment about 360 being last at E3.

That conference was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen from Sony. I truly felt bad for them and just couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic the pS3 is going to be.

Now I think it will go Wii, XBox 360, then Sony PS3 in the third place by a long shot.

I concur 100%. Sonys conference was SO LAME. I can not believe they added that motion sensor into their controller.

It will go:
Wii
360
DS
PC
E3 Food Court entertainment
PS3

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
After watching the Sony conference ... guys I retract my earlier statment about 360 being last at E3.

That conference was the most pathetic thing I've ever seen from Sony. I truly felt bad for them and just couldn't help but laugh at how pathetic the pS3 is going to be.

Now I think it will go Wii, XBox 360, then Sony PS3 in the third place by a long shot.

Yea, still just a handful of games that I was impressed with thus far.

 

[jlmadyson]

Also someone over at TXB brought up another good point. According to the Sony release it looks as if the PS3 basic 499/20g HDD deal will be without WIFI, HDMI and memory slot.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

 

[jlmadyson]

E3 2006: PS3 20 Gig Missing Features?

May 8, 2006 - The announcement earlier tonight that the PS3 would come in two separate configurations easily caught the ear of PS3 fans eager for any news of Sony's system. However, upon closer analysis of the images for the systems itself, a rather curious system feature seemed to be missing from the 20 gig configuration.

Looking at the official press site of SCEA, we noticed that the PS3 with the 20 gigabyte hard drive seemed to lack HDMI support. This seems to be confirmed by an offical press release from SCEA, which indicates via comparison between the two systems. However, it also indicates that the 20 gigabyte system won't have Memory Stick, SD or Compact Flash reading capability or WiFi support. Even worse, it appears that rumble doesn't appear to be included with the new six axis sensing controller.

Could the 20 gig become a gamer shunned system? When Microsoft launched the Xbox 360, consumers hated the Core system that didn't come with a hard drive and other features, quickly dubbing it the "tard pack." Will the 20 gig suffer the same fate? We'll have more details as we get them from the show.

Little more detail from IGN. Looks like they axed the rumble as well.

Hey let's not forget E3 2005. Dual 1080p anyone? A little difficult I'd say considering there is only one HDMI on the $599 SKU.

Thought the original xbox was hefty?

PS3: 325mm x 98mm x 274mm / 5kg
Xbox: 320mm x 101mm x 260mm / 3.84kg
Xbox 360: 309mm x 83mm x 258mm /3.49kg

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
E3 2006: PS3 20 Gig Missing Features?

May 8, 2006 - The announcement earlier tonight that the PS3 would come in two separate configurations easily caught the ear of PS3 fans eager for any news of Sony's system. However, upon closer analysis of the images for the systems itself, a rather curious system feature seemed to be missing from the 20 gig configuration.

Looking at the official press site of SCEA, we noticed that the PS3 with the 20 gigabyte hard drive seemed to lack HDMI support. This seems to be confirmed by an offical press release from SCEA, which indicates via comparison between the two systems. However, it also indicates that the 20 gigabyte system won't have Memory Stick, SD or Compact Flash reading capability or WiFi support. Even worse, it appears that rumble doesn't appear to be included with the new six axis sensing controller.

Could the 20 gig become a gamer shunned system? When Microsoft launched the Xbox 360, consumers hated the Core system that didn't come with a hard drive and other features, quickly dubbing it the "tard pack." Will the 20 gig suffer the same fate? We'll have more details as we get them from the show.

Little more detail from IGN. Looks like they axed the rumble as well.

Hey let's not forget E3 2005. Dual 1080p anyone? A little difficult I'd say considering there is only one HDMI on the $599 SKU.

Thought the original xbox was hefty?

PS3: 325mm x 98mm x 274mm / 5kg
Xbox: 320mm x 101mm x 260mm / 3.84kg
Xbox 360: 309mm x 83mm x 258mm /3.49kg

I know that people complained about the 360 Core system, but at least you could purchase the accessories to bring it up to Premium specs. It doesn't look like you'll be able to do that with the PS3.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
E3 2006: PS3 20 Gig Missing Features?

May 8, 2006 - The announcement earlier tonight that the PS3 would come in two separate configurations easily caught the ear of PS3 fans eager for any news of Sony's system. However, upon closer analysis of the images for the systems itself, a rather curious system feature seemed to be missing from the 20 gig configuration.

Looking at the official press site of SCEA, we noticed that the PS3 with the 20 gigabyte hard drive seemed to lack HDMI support. This seems to be confirmed by an offical press release from SCEA, which indicates via comparison between the two systems. However, it also indicates that the 20 gigabyte system won't have Memory Stick, SD or Compact Flash reading capability or WiFi support. Even worse, it appears that rumble doesn't appear to be included with the new six axis sensing controller.

Could the 20 gig become a gamer shunned system? When Microsoft launched the Xbox 360, consumers hated the Core system that didn't come with a hard drive and other features, quickly dubbing it the "tard pack." Will the 20 gig suffer the same fate? We'll have more details as we get them from the show.

Little more detail from IGN. Looks like they axed the rumble as well.

Hey let's not forget E3 2005. Dual 1080p anyone? A little difficult I'd say considering there is only one HDMI on the $599 SKU.

Thought the original xbox was hefty?

PS3: 325mm x 98mm x 274mm / 5kg
Xbox: 320mm x 101mm x 260mm / 3.84kg
Xbox 360: 309mm x 83mm x 258mm /3.49kg

as I said in the ps3 thread, I can't wait to see fanboys spin this. And can't wait to here japanese people's reaction. xbox too big for their homes, blah blah. the ps3 is even bigger.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
I was playing TDU tonight and in a 5 min span, my system froze twice. First time I was playing for about 10 mins and it froze, so I shut it down and rebooted and played again, then it froze after 20 sec of driving. I hope it's the game/server, and not my system...

It did the same thing to mine. I found that a little surprising in that the graphics really aren't that impressive - everything looked very aliased.

 

[erwos]

I was decidedly underwhelmed by TDU - the concept is great, but the implementation is lacking. The controls were particularly terrible after playing PGR 3.

The only thing more unimpressive than that is the PS3. What the hell happened, Sony? I saw myself getting a PS3 after a couple major price drops, but there's no way I'm shelling out $400 for it a year and a half later. I can accept the price premium at launch time, but not _afterwards_. And don't even get me started on how they actually released crippled models you couldn't even upgrade - it was bad enough when MS did it for the HD, but geez...

-Erwos

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
I was playing TDU tonight and in a 5 min span, my system froze twice. First time I was playing for about 10 mins and it froze, so I shut it down and rebooted and played again, then it froze after 20 sec of driving. I hope it's the game/server, and not my system...

It did the same thing to mine. I found that a little surprising in that the graphics really aren't that impressive - everything looked very aliased.

Happened to me as well playing TDU... I'm thinking it's the game, not our systems...

 

[jlmadyson]

E3 2006: R6 Vegas: IGN presents exclusive first video.

Short but sweet.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
E3 2006: R6 Vegas: IGN presents exclusive first video.

Very short but very sweet.

Fixed.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Ah check this demo out ASAP. The graphics are as smooth as silk.

What kind of game is Lost Planet? I've never heard of it and don't want to start looking at game sites at work.

Taken from IGN's preview...

"A third-person action game, Lost Planet combines shooting on foot and from the cockpits of Vital Suits (VS), which are scattered around the snow encrusted environments. Players face off against two kinds of enemies, the insectoid Akrids and the ingeniously named Snow Pirates in linear but engaging levels."

Thanks, was trying to think of a good way to describe it. Also;

Shadowrun It's Official

Is that the Pen and Paper RPG?? If so, that's awesome!!

 

[jlmadyson]

New content up, they also put the Lost Planet Demo back on, check this one out for sure.

 

[jlmadyson]

MS's E3 Showing starts in about 2hours or so, 2CST 3EST. Catch it here live;

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Added for some reason MS's show is taped delayed according to GS, so it maybe a bit later than I thought.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
New content up, they also put the Lost Planet Demo back on, check this one out for sure.

Downloading LP demo now. What else is worth getting?