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CVSiN

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Originally posted by: erwos
Originally posted by: CVSiN
then with that attitude why even bother pick up the 360 at all.. its expensive and your not using the technology so why not stick with your trusty old xbox...

to even bother going though the hoopla to have a 360 this early in its life and not use its capabilities just seems like a collossal waste of time and money...
First, I don't HAVE a "trusty old Xbox"! Is it really sensible for me to spend $120 on an Xbox now, and then, six months to a year down the line, spend $300 on a 360, or just buy the 360 and be done with it? Seems to me that $400 is _less_ than $420.

Also, I'm thinking rationally, not emotionally. You are thinking emotionally. Observe my choices:
1. Buying expensive games that I don't want / care to play right this moment because they're new and shiny.
2. Buying cheap games that I actually want / care to play that are old and not shiny.

Eventually, the equation will change. That's not relevant to me right now. I already own the damn thing. Research the concept of "sunk cost". I paid my money for the 360, it's gone. Why the hell should I toss more away?

And don't give me crap about how I'm "not using my Xbox 360 to its fullest potential". No one's using it to its full potential right now, because no first gen games ever do.

I'm thinking like an economist. It's not a bad way to live. It's sure as hell cheaper and more rational than what you seem to be proposing.

-Erwos

guess that new career choice working for best buy doesnt pay much huh =p

seriously with most good jobs out there a new game is what? 1-2 hours of work? please. man games are not that expensive.

guess you must play on a 19 inch black and white also?
 

erwos

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
guess that new career choice working for best buy doesnt pay much huh =p

seriously with most good jobs out there a new game is what? 1-2 hours of work? please. man games are not that expensive.

guess you must play on a 19 inch black and white also?
Nice ad hominem attack. Grow up, and learn to stop being threatened by people who make different choices than you. Someday, when you've got a family, you'll learn the value of a dollar.

-Erwos
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: erwos
Originally posted by: CVSiN
guess that new career choice working for best buy doesnt pay much huh =p

seriously with most good jobs out there a new game is what? 1-2 hours of work? please. man games are not that expensive.

guess you must play on a 19 inch black and white also?
Nice ad hominem attack. Grow up, and learn to stop being threatened by people who make different choices than you. Someday, when you've got a family, you'll learn the value of a dollar.

-Erwos
Seriously, why do you care what games erwos chooses to play? Or how he spends his money? :roll:
 

purbeast0

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Yah let's drop the flames in this thread please It's been 33 pages of almost flame-free material .

Anyone try that new Crystal game on XBLA? It's a remake of some old game and it's kinda fun. It's like geometry wars (somewhat) with crystals you have to collect.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: ivol07
Originally posted by: Kremlar
New XBox 360 owner, new XBox Live player.

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't look like you can player multiple local players over X-Box Live.

Am I right???

Been playing NBA Live! 2006 for a while, and tried to play with a buddy sitting next to me over Live! (figured we'd play same team against an opponent), and it doesn't seem to have that ability.

Also just played Call of Duty 2 for the first time today, and again it doesn't seem to allow 2 local players over XBox Live.

Am I wrong???

There are no 360 games that do two or more online at once right now. But it is capable of doing it. If you pick up Halo 2 you'll see how well this works.
I've had 2 people playing PDZ at the same time on Live from my 360.

This 100% does work? In all game modes? I was going to pick up CoD2 but I need a game to play online with my girlfriend and PDZ might have to fit the bill for now because of that.
I only played in one specific scenario but I don't see why it wouldn't work in all game modes. It probably won't work in ranked games though (I don't see how it could and they didn't allow it in Halo 2).

Yes you can do this, but I BELIEVE you each need a live account. I did this at Zero Hour (split screen multiplayer on live) but we each had our own memory cards and live accounts on them. I'm not sure if you can do it w/out 2 live accounts though.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Yah let's drop the flames in this thread please It's been 33 pages of almost flame-free material .

Anyone try that new Crystal game on XBLA? It's a remake of some old game and it's kinda fun. It's like geometry wars (somewhat) with crystals you have to collect.

There are wayyyy too many games similar to Geometry Wars on Live XBLA right now. Granted, Robotron is the Granddaddy of them all but still.

I started playing all the different XBLA demos the other day and now I'm stuck wondering which to buy...Zuma, Outpost Kaloki, Marble Madness...and on and on.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Yah let's drop the flames in this thread please It's been 33 pages of almost flame-free material .

Anyone try that new Crystal game on XBLA? It's a remake of some old game and it's kinda fun. It's like geometry wars (somewhat) with crystals you have to collect.

There are wayyyy too many games similar to Geometry Wars on Live XBLA right now. Granted, Robotron is the Granddaddy of them all but still.

I started playing all the different XBLA demos the other day and now I'm stuck wondering which to buy...Zuma, Outpost Kaloki, Marble Madness...and on and on.

The thing that makes geometry wars stick out is that there are no levels ... it's all about score and how difficult it gets. I havent' even come close to beating my high score again (3.44 million). The closest I've gotten was last night, at 2.8 million.

I have Zuma, Marble Blast Ultra, Geometry Wars, and Joust. I still probably play Geometry Wars the most (and have had it the longest lol), but that Marble game is FFUUNN. But once I beat it %100 I don't think I'll be playing it much aside from multiplayer games w/my friends.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Yah let's drop the flames in this thread please It's been 33 pages of almost flame-free material .

Anyone try that new Crystal game on XBLA? It's a remake of some old game and it's kinda fun. It's like geometry wars (somewhat) with crystals you have to collect.

There are wayyyy too many games similar to Geometry Wars on Live XBLA right now. Granted, Robotron is the Granddaddy of them all but still.

I started playing all the different XBLA demos the other day and now I'm stuck wondering which to buy...Zuma, Outpost Kaloki, Marble Madness...and on and on.

The thing that makes geometry wars stick out is that there are no levels ... it's all about score and how difficult it gets. I havent' even come close to beating my high score again (3.44 million). The closest I've gotten was last night, at 2.8 million.

I have Zuma, Marble Blast Ultra, Geometry Wars, and Joust. I still probably play Geometry Wars the most (and have had it the longest lol), but that Marble game is FFUUNN. But once I beat it %100 I don't think I'll be playing it much aside from multiplayer games w/my friends.

I've got Geometry Wars and Joust and the trial versions of all the other games except for Bankshot Billiards. I was really surprised at how fun Zuma was to play. It, like Geometry Wars, is a great game just to pick up and play real quick instead of the normal marathon sessions for the retail games.
 

ivol07

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I was reading in the newest issue of Xbox Magazine that they heard some very strong rumors on the details of the xbox/directv January deal (DTV Deal Info). They're saying that there will be a "DirecTV Blade" on your 360 that will have access to Hi Definition TV Episode downloads, High Definition Streaming Movies and Tivo features on Standard Definition content.

I could see myself downloading some TV espisodes, but I'm not sure about the streaming movies. I'm wondering if they'll stream from the internet or a Set top box...or what? Either way, this is some potentially exciting news if this is true. But bigger hard drives will definitely be needed!
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: ivol07
I was reading in the newest issue of Xbox Magazine that they heard some very strong rumors on the details of the xbox/directv January deal (DTV Deal Info). They're saying that there will be a "DirecTV Blade" on your 360 that will have access to Hi Definition TV Episode downloads, High Definition Streaming Movies and Tivo features on Standard Definition content.

I could see myself downloading some TV espisodes, but I'm not sure about the streaming movies. I'm wondering if they'll stream from the internet or a Set top box...or what? Either way, this is some potentially exciting news if this is true. But bigger hard drives will definitely be needed!

The DirecTV will either have to be through the Windows Media Center hookup or some other peripheral. They could do an iTunes like system to download TV but there would have to be larger hard drives like you said.
 

Udel

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Originally posted by: ivol07
I was reading in the newest issue of Xbox Magazine that they heard some very strong rumors on the details of the xbox/directv January deal (DTV Deal Info). They're saying that there will be a "DirecTV Blade" on your 360 that will have access to Hi Definition TV Episode downloads, High Definition Streaming Movies and Tivo features on Standard Definition content.

I could see myself downloading some TV espisodes, but I'm not sure about the streaming movies. I'm wondering if they'll stream from the internet or a Set top box...or what? Either way, this is some potentially exciting news if this is true. But bigger hard drives will definitely be needed!

Maybe they will let us use USB harddrives.
 

erwos

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Apr 7, 2005
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Originally posted by: Queasy
The DirecTV will either have to be through the Windows Media Center hookup or some other peripheral. They could do an iTunes like system to download TV but there would have to be larger hard drives like you said.
The most obvious thing to do would be to implement it straight in MCE 2005, and then deal with the 360 just like every other extender that needs the additional functionality implemented. Abandoning their "MCE as center of digital home" strategy when it's just starting to work seems remarkably stupid.

-Erwos
 

erwos

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Originally posted by: Queasy
There are wayyyy too many games similar to Geometry Wars on Live XBLA right now. Granted, Robotron is the Granddaddy of them all but still.

I started playing all the different XBLA demos the other day and now I'm stuck wondering which to buy...Zuma, Outpost Kaloki, Marble Madness...and on and on.
To be fair, CQ came way in advance of most of them, and in its original incarnation on the Mac, wasn't all that similar.

OKX is awesome. Lots and lots of content to start with, and they keep releasing more. Best $10 I've spent in a while. Once I'm done with it, I'll probably move onto SmashTV and Geometry Wars next.

-Erwos
 

Queasy

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Aug 24, 2001
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Transcode 360

"Designed for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 and the Xbox 360, Transcode 360 aims to broaden the support for a wide range of video media including DivX and XviD."

I want to say that I'm going to try this when I get home tonight but I don't think I'm gonna have the time. :/ Maybe sometime by the weekend.
 

Zim Hosein

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You might remember that back when the Xbox 360 packages were revealed and we found out that the hard drive would not be built into every console, Microsoft claimed that the hard drive would not be required for any games on the Xbox 360 - well so much for that promise.

Any game that required a hard drive would not be playable by the Core package owners, as that package doesnt come with the hard-drive. Them not being able to play games that required a hard-drive was rightly seen as unfair and hence the promise.


The BETA version of Final Fantasy XI actually required a hard drive (but it's BETA so we'll ignore it), however here is another game that now requires a hard drive - Football Manager 2006.

If you look at the newly released packshot below, you will see a hard drive icon in the bottom left, and the words "Hard Disk Drive Required".

Upcoming 360 Game Requires Hard Drive

 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
You might remember that back when the Xbox 360 packages were revealed and we found out that the hard drive would not be built into every console, Microsoft claimed that the hard drive would not be required for any games on the Xbox 360 - well so much for that promise.

Any game that required a hard drive would not be playable by the Core package owners, as that package doesnt come with the hard-drive. Them not being able to play games that required a hard-drive was rightly seen as unfair and hence the promise.


The BETA version of Final Fantasy XI actually required a hard drive (but it's BETA so we'll ignore it), however here is another game that now requires a hard drive - Football Manager 2006.

If you look at the newly released packshot below, you will see a hard drive icon in the bottom left, and the words "Hard Disk Drive Required".
Upcoming 360 Game Requires Hard Drive
I could be wrong... But I don't remember MS ever promising that no game would ever require a HD. (And if they did, maybe the context was first party games, or something?)

In the history of videogames, there has always been games that require some sort of peripheral that the console didn't necessarily come with.
 

JDrake

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
You might remember that back when the Xbox 360 packages were revealed and we found out that the hard drive would not be built into every console, Microsoft claimed that the hard drive would not be required for any games on the Xbox 360 - well so much for that promise.

Any game that required a hard drive would not be playable by the Core package owners, as that package doesnt come with the hard-drive. Them not being able to play games that required a hard-drive was rightly seen as unfair and hence the promise.


The BETA version of Final Fantasy XI actually required a hard drive (but it's BETA so we'll ignore it), however here is another game that now requires a hard drive - Football Manager 2006.

If you look at the newly released packshot below, you will see a hard drive icon in the bottom left, and the words "Hard Disk Drive Required".
Upcoming 360 Game Requires Hard Drive
I could be wrong... But I don't remember MS ever promising that no game would ever require a HD. (And if they did, maybe the context was first party games, or something?)

In the history of videogames, there has always been games that require some sort of peripheral that the console didn't necessarily come with.
I remember them saying that to
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
You might remember that back when the Xbox 360 packages were revealed and we found out that the hard drive would not be built into every console, Microsoft claimed that the hard drive would not be required for any games on the Xbox 360 - well so much for that promise.

Any game that required a hard drive would not be playable by the Core package owners, as that package doesnt come with the hard-drive. Them not being able to play games that required a hard-drive was rightly seen as unfair and hence the promise.


The BETA version of Final Fantasy XI actually required a hard drive (but it's BETA so we'll ignore it), however here is another game that now requires a hard drive - Football Manager 2006.

If you look at the newly released packshot below, you will see a hard drive icon in the bottom left, and the words "Hard Disk Drive Required".

Upcoming 360 Game Requires Hard Drive

Gee, didn't see that one comming.:disgust:

 

Linux23

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I smell a lawsuit on this. Maybe I should hold out and get a Core and cash in on this?
 

BornStar

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: remagavon
Originally posted by: BornStar18
Originally posted by: ivol07
Originally posted by: Kremlar
New XBox 360 owner, new XBox Live player.

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't look like you can player multiple local players over X-Box Live.

Am I right???

Been playing NBA Live! 2006 for a while, and tried to play with a buddy sitting next to me over Live! (figured we'd play same team against an opponent), and it doesn't seem to have that ability.

Also just played Call of Duty 2 for the first time today, and again it doesn't seem to allow 2 local players over XBox Live.

Am I wrong???

There are no 360 games that do two or more online at once right now. But it is capable of doing it. If you pick up Halo 2 you'll see how well this works.
I've had 2 people playing PDZ at the same time on Live from my 360.

This 100% does work? In all game modes? I was going to pick up CoD2 but I need a game to play online with my girlfriend and PDZ might have to fit the bill for now because of that.
I only played in one specific scenario but I don't see why it wouldn't work in all game modes. It probably won't work in ranked games though (I don't see how it could and they didn't allow it in Halo 2).

Yes you can do this, but I BELIEVE you each need a live account. I did this at Zero Hour (split screen multiplayer on live) but we each had our own memory cards and live accounts on them. I'm not sure if you can do it w/out 2 live accounts though.
Nope. I was playing with my fiancee and I can promise you that she doesn't have a Live account.
 

Rage187

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You just need to hit the Circle button on controller 2 and create a profile. You do not BOTH need a live account.
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: joedrake
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
You might remember that back when the Xbox 360 packages were revealed and we found out that the hard drive would not be built into every console, Microsoft claimed that the hard drive would not be required for any games on the Xbox 360 - well so much for that promise.

Any game that required a hard drive would not be playable by the Core package owners, as that package doesnt come with the hard-drive. Them not being able to play games that required a hard-drive was rightly seen as unfair and hence the promise.


The BETA version of Final Fantasy XI actually required a hard drive (but it's BETA so we'll ignore it), however here is another game that now requires a hard drive - Football Manager 2006.

If you look at the newly released packshot below, you will see a hard drive icon in the bottom left, and the words "Hard Disk Drive Required".
Upcoming 360 Game Requires Hard Drive
I could be wrong... But I don't remember MS ever promising that no game would ever require a HD. (And if they did, maybe the context was first party games, or something?)

In the history of videogames, there has always been games that require some sort of peripheral that the console didn't necessarily come with.
I remember them saying that to
Happen to have a link handy? The more I search around, the more I'm convinced that MS never said that... At least not in that context.

FFXI has been in development for the 360 for quite a while, and everyone expects that to require a HDD.
 

erwos

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While I sympathize with the core system owners somewhat, it doesn't take a genius to realize that certain games (MMORPGs!) are simply going to require an HDD if only because of downloadable content issues. Heck, backwards-compatibility required the HDD - so, in a way, the deed is already done. This might be disappointing to some, but it's not earth-shattering news. I think the longer-term problem is that 20gb is on the small side if you're going to _really_ start taking advantage of multiple MMORPGs and the HD trailer stuff. I'm starting to understand why MS was limiting MCE support to streaming-only...

Speaking of MMORPGs, I wouldn't mind seeing Guild Wars ported over - feels like it could do pretty well with a controller and keyboard.

-Erwos
 

SKoprowski

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I have a new unopened Xbox 360 premium that I got 2 days ago from Best Buy. I have decided to return it. If anyone who lives in Northeast, OH is interested in one we can meet at a Best Buy and you can buy it after I return it. Thought I would offer this to someone who really wants one. I'm leaving at 11:30am today- so PM me as soon as you can.

Thanks,

Scott
 

batmang

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so.. when is the 360 going to be readily available? late march? summer? xmas 06?
 
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