Officially joined Crossfit gym... owwww....

KDOG

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But I love it....


They just opened a few weeks ago, amazingly within walking distance from where I live. I stopped in there the other day, made introductions and decided to go back yesterday for the one free session. The girl that runs it is awesome - she's the cutest "little" knockout blonde but make no mistake, she's a mutant android from HELL who tries to kill me. We did a warm up set and I thought thats what she was gonna have me do that day - NOPE. Straight into a metcon WOD. My time was awful but I was happy that I just managed to finish it. I was drenched, completely worn out and exhausted.


I bought an unlimited month on the spot.
 

momeNt

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Seems like a lot of the people who get SLAP tear experience pain and ignore it, then on one fateful kipping set, they tear it.

Listen to your body, but be aware that those kipping pullups are being blamed heavily for the higher incidences of SLAP tears associated with crossfit programming.
 

KDOG

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Hmmm, I'll ask her about it. I noticed that on the pullup bars they have the wide rubber straps they put on knee in to do pullups. I asked if they did that instead of kipping and they said yeah. Maybe thats why.
 

OptimumSlinky

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Hmmm, I'll ask her about it. I noticed that on the pullup bars they have the wide rubber straps they put on knee in to do pullups. I asked if they did that instead of kipping and they said yeah. Maybe thats why.

No the bands are there for people who can't do pull ups. They assist in loading your weight.
 

blackdogdeek

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Hmmm, I'll ask her about it. I noticed that on the pullup bars they have the wide rubber straps they put on knee in to do pullups. I asked if they did that instead of kipping and they said yeah. Maybe thats why.

Usually, if you can't kip yet, you will use the bands.

EDIT: Oops, beaten.
 

momeNt

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No the bands are there for people who can't do pull ups. They assist in loading your weight.

Isn't is possible that they want X number of pullups in a certain time frame, so instead of kipping to assist with that number, you use bands? Even if you can do unbanded pullups just fine, but can't do the number in a certain time frame?

I have no actual experience with crossfit, just trying to make the trainer lady's response make sense.
 

Koing

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Train smart and enjoy it. I know a bunch of guys that do it and a few guys that own their own box.

I wouldn't get me doing any of the metcon or the WODs

Koing
 

smackababy

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Other than it being expensive as hell and somewhat cultish I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

If it didn't involve so much running (which I hate), I wouldn't be against a crossfit gym. Especially, if you go every day (except rest days).
 

blackdogdeek

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If it didn't involve so much running (which I hate), I wouldn't be against a crossfit gym. Especially, if you go every day (except rest days).

Programming varies greatly by crossfit gym. I usually go M-F and rest on the weekends but our gym typically puts very little running in the programming. So far this week, the only wod with any running was "Helen" on Monday which is 3 rounds of 400m run, 21 kbs and 12 pullups for time for a total of only 1200m of running.

http://www.crossfitnassau.com/

Most gyms have a website so you can see what their programming is like, too.
 

smackababy

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Programming varies greatly by crossfit gym. I usually go M-F and rest on the weekends but our gym typically puts very little running in the programming. So far this week, the only wod with any running was "Helen" on Monday which is 3 rounds of 400m run, 21 kbs and 12 pullups for time for a total of only 1200m of running.

http://www.crossfitnassau.com/

Most gyms have a website so you can see what their programming is like, too.

And then they do a hero workout and we get to run 2 miles, do some kind of exercise, then run another 2 miles. =(

I did enough running without a real purpose (non-sport type stuff) when I played soccer and then more when I joined the military. Really got a distaste for it now.
 

blackdogdeek

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And then they do a hero workout and we get to run 2 miles, do some kind of exercise, then run another 2 miles. =(

I did enough running without a real purpose (non-sport type stuff) when I played soccer and then more when I joined the military. Really got a distaste for it now.

There are definitely lots of wods with significant running but you can always just not go on those days.
 

OptimumSlinky

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99% of CrossFitters will kip before using bands for volume. It's just the nature of their beast. To them, the kip is an acceptable variation on the pull up.

CrossFit is a touchy subject for a lot of people. It shouldn't be, but it is due to a variety of reasons:

1) Poor programming and coaching at select establishments due to mediocre quality control on the part of CF HQ.

2) Questionable statements and behavior from HQ, usually followed by dogmatic and irrational behavior to defend said statements.

3) The "cult-like" nature of the community.

The first is probably the most dangerous, and is the reason I always suggest to people that they shop around and try a variety of CF affiliates before joining a single one. Meet the owners, the coaches, sample their programming, find out their preferences, and then pick the one that matches you. There are some FANTASTIC gyms out there under the CF umbrella (CF New England, CF Ute), but then there are also some that think if just string together a list of obnoxious exercises and do it for time it's "CrossFit." CF should be strength AND conditioning. If you find yourself doing mostly met-cons and no serious barbell work, find a new gym.

The second is the result of groupthink. You get too many people drinking the same Kool-Aid with no counter-balance and you end up with strange behavior.

The third is easy to mock but shouldn't be. CF community is great. The people in the gyms are great, open, and welcoming. Most are just normal people who have decided to take charge of their nutrition and fitness and live better lives. They get shunned because they choose to stop eating bread and hang out with other people that lift weights, but if you ever want to make progress at anything, you must surround yourself with people who share your goals and are better than you at them. You can't be serious about your health and fitness then surround yourself with a bunch of overweight losers who would rather go to happy hour than spend an hour under a barbell. A lot of CF-ers ditch their dead weight when they join the community, and sometimes the dead weight doesn't like the fact they've been ditched, complain, and call it a cult.

When done correctly, CF is better than the majority of fitness programs on the planet and offers people a cost-effective way to train. When done poorly, it's a recipe for disaster. I think CF's biggest problem right now is that it's growing too quickly, and doesn't have a firm grip on its future or methodology. It's not the only way to get strong, fit, or healthy (despite what CFHQ might claim or think), but it's not a bad one if you do it right.

Just remember:

1) Listen to your body. Sharp pain is never good. Don't "drive through" the wrong pain. Don't be too proud to admit it's too heavy or too much.

2) Your form is always more important than the time, weight, or speed. Focus on technique and mobility and the rest will come safely.

3) You need starch to get jacked. Paleo is great for weight loss and body re-composition, but unless you want to be a lean 160-lbs, you're going to need more fat and more starch to support your muscle growth. Rich Froning and Dan Bailey are top CF athletes; neither eat Paleo. I love Paleo and follow it myself, but it's not a one-size-fits-all panacea.

4) Don't be afraid to learn from outside of CF. Mark Rippetoe, Glenn Pendlay, and many others have been lifting weights longer than many of us ever will. CF sometimes teaches some wonky or odd shit, so don't be afraid to step outside the lines and seek knowledge elsewhere.

Finally, enjoy yourself and always seek improvement.

Further reading on the topic: http://70sbig.com/blog/2011/12/whats-the-deal-with-crossfit/

Disclosure: Author is a Level One CrossFit Trainer (CF-L1), former Army Officer, and personal trainer at a non-CF facility.
 
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TheFamilyMan

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The CF gym I go has a wonderful approach to the running...almost all sessions start with a 400m or an 800m jog (or alternative row) then go into the warmup stuff. They almost always have a rowing substitute for WOD's for people who have wonky knees...500m row in-place of 400m run, 1000m row in-place of 800m run, etc.

I hate...hate hate hate...the WOD's with tons of running involved. Did I mention I hated the running? Most of it is from many years not incorporating running in my workouts and, therefore, endurance and stamina have suffered...getting better though.
 

Zivic

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When done correctly, CF is better than the majority of fitness programs on the planet and offers people a cost-effective way to train. When done poorly, it's a recipe for disaster. I think CF's biggest problem right now is that it's growing too quickly, and doesn't have a firm grip on its future or methodology. It's not the only way to get strong, fit, or healthy (despite what CFHQ might claim or think), but it's not a bad one if you do it right.

IMHO it is a borderline fad workout.

it is getting people off the couch, which is a good thing... but 15 minutes at a "box" and all of a sudden they are experts on how to become fit. nothing about it interests me. it looks like another way to reinvent the wheel. working out is simple and one doesn't need goofy terms like WOD, box, and a paleo diet to make gains.

from what I see of it, it is a bunch of "average joes" attempting some calisthenics and oly lifts, with incredibly bad form, being cheered on by other "average joes" who have little to no gym experience either... all the while being timed at how quickly they can do all the exercises/lifts. That in turn makes their form even worse... but to each their own

If you need a "cult" to get you motivated, well, I guess you have a different frame of mind than me.
 

KDOG

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Well what I like is the it is a SUPPORTIVE environment. The problem with regular gyms is that its full of "meatheads" sneering and looking down on you if you're not already a monster when you walk in the door. The place I go is very encouraging - I kinda balked at the time reguirements but they told me to relax, don't worry about times yet and just try to get through it.
 

Zivic

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Well what I like is the it is a SUPPORTIVE environment. The problem with regular gyms is that its full of "meatheads" sneering and looking down on you if you're not already a monster when you walk in the door. The place I go is very encouraging - I kinda balked at the time reguirements but they told me to relax, don't worry about times yet and just try to get through it.
what us "meatheads" are sneering at and looking down on is that you get in our way doing dumb sh!t you picked up god knows where.....


the only difference is that at a crossfit gym they cheer you on doing similar dumb sh1t and you call it being "SUPPORTIVE"
 

KDOG

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what us "meatheads" are sneering at and looking down on is that you get in our way doing dumb sh!t you picked up god knows where.....


the only difference is that at a crossfit gym they cheer you on doing similar dumb sh1t and you call it being "SUPPORTIVE"

Aaaaanndd point proven....
 

TheFamilyMan

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Originally Posted by Zivic
what us "meatheads" are sneering at and looking down on is that you get in our way doing dumb sh!t you picked up god knows where.....


the only difference is that at a crossfit gym they cheer you on doing similar dumb sh1t and you call it being "SUPPORTIVE"

Aaaaanndd point proven....

Exactly. My guess would be that Zivic and his neanderthal herd tried some of the more advanced compound movements and/or tried a WOD at prescribed weights and got their asses handed to them so they retreated back into their caves. Now, they resort to childishly snickering at people who are more fit, healthy, and better well-rounded physically.

I've seen life-long body builders, gym rats, and weightlifters stride in as if they were Atlas about to shoulder the world for everyone to see only to end up in the fetal position at the end of the workout. The better of these people humbly acknowledge the merits of a CrossFit workout and how it is on a different plane (not different as in worse or better...just different as in just as good) as far as working out goes. The better of these people leave the workout with respect for CrossFit athletes. I don't think Zivic would be one I would classify in the "better of these" category.
 

Zivic

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Exactly. My guess would be that Zivic and his neanderthal herd tried some of the more advanced compound movements and/or tried a WOD at prescribed weights and got their asses handed to them so they retreated back into their caves. Now, they resort to childishly snickering at people who are more fit, healthy, and better well-rounded physically.

I've seen life-long body builders, gym rats, and weightlifters stride in as if they were Atlas about to shoulder the world for everyone to see only to end up in the fetal position at the end of the workout. The better of these people humbly acknowledge the merits of a CrossFit workout and how it is on a different plane (not different as in worse or better...just different as in just as good) as far as working out goes. The better of these people leave the workout with respect for CrossFit athletes. I don't think Zivic would be one I would classify in the "better of these" category.

you call me a neanderthal and I am the one resorting to childish snickering?

I have explored many types of workouts. As I stated, nothing about crossfits interests me. I give credit that it gets people off the couch that may not otherwise workout. for that it is a good thing. I gave examples of the negatives I see in it.

As far as completing the workout, who cares? I don't train that way, so yeah, a full workout probably would be challenging for me. That said, I can promise you the same level crossfitter would have just as much issue getting through my workout. We are training differently.

Your better than thou attitude in regards to crossfit vs my workouts is laughable.
 

KDOG

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No just the attitude that only people like you actually work out and everyone else is a joke.
 
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