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gsellis

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Threatening to send you to a credit collection agency may be a violation of the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Clark Howard may be able to assist and they also have a team to work on issues like that. Check this link at Clark's page for assistance Consumer Action Center
 

Regs

Lifer
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And if he threatens to report you to the Fed Cred's, I would contact PA's district attorneys's office and ask for advice. This guy has so much heat on him right now he is no position to make threats.
 

Ike0069

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I was able to contact Michael P. Welch who created DX Ball (see VirtualLarry's post on page 1). He wrote that he has no idea who this guy, but NO ONE has the authority to sell this game as it is supposed to be only for FREE download.
I sent him a direct link to the page thatshows it for sale and he said that it was showing the FREE version. Now I have no idea what he plans to do, if anything, as he didn't give any details on that. But I do hope that he really goes after this guy.
 

Space Cowboy

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Hangin out..
Down the street ..
Same ole thing ..
We did last week ..
Not a thing to do ..
But talk to you ..
We're all all right ..
We're all all right ..

O YEAH !!
 

cubby1223

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I feel for ya. Couple months ago I was in dispute with a company that sold me $836 of WinXP copies without COAs! I could go on for a loooong time detailing everything about the communications & you'd all be amazed at the subtleties in them that all lead to the conclusion that they are experienced scammers... Anyways, to get a refund, they wanted me to fill out an autorization form with a photo copy of the credit card & a photo id. So if I trust them & send my drivers license, they'd have a credit card number, drivers license number, birth date, signature, SSN, and more about me. Yeah right... I sent them a copy of my FOID card, thought that might put them in their place. =)

I did get my money back eventually, and I did have both American Express & Microsoft's Piracy division looking into the company.

I'll leave the company alone now. They're still up & running, though I can see from all the changes that Microsoft has definately been in contact with them.
 

Space Cowboy

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Threatening to send you to a credit collection agency may be a violation of the Fair Credit Reporting Act. Clark Howard may be able to assist and they also have a team to work on issues like that. Check this link at Clark's page for assistance Consumer Action Center

Clark Howards Office contacted me this week and had some interesting things to say.
Since it was over the phone I can't quote them but here is what they had to say as close as I can remember.

Unfortunatly the laws in the United States are pretty lax when it comes to online retailers.

The good news is it's people like you who are going to make a difference. It sounds like you have done what needed to be done and hopefully more people will do the same till there is some kind of regulation put in place to stop this sort of behaviour.

Keep up the good work !!!

Heck, I thought we were going to be on the radio, TV or something

Kinda freaked me out for awhile.

I've met some pretty interesting people thru all this and couldn't have done it without you.

The one thing I learned is ALWAYS use a good credit card company when making any purchases online. And use your credit card to pay for any return shipping also.

(VISA RULES !!)

Thanks Gang.

Anandtech and you all ROCK !!

Cheer's

The Space Cowboy
 

Space Cowboy

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Hey Gang,

I could use some of your suggestions on how to respond to this letter I recieved from the Attorney General's Office of Pennsylvania.

We have been informed and, therefore, wish to verify that your complaint has been settled. If this information is incorrect, please advise us in writing at you earliest convenience

I just talked to VISA today and they said nothing about MDOFPC to me?

Thanks
Cowboy
 

gsellis

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If I followed this correctly, I would reply NO. Visa fixed it, not the company, right? The chances are that MdofPc is telling them it is resolved, but the real answer might be that they did not resolve it, right?
 

Space Cowboy

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Still trying to decide if I should just let this die or write back to the Attorney General's Office. Visa credited me most of the money. It looks like I'm out around $20.00 that I paid to ship it back. If I would have used my VISA to pay for the return shipping I could have got that back also. Live and Learn I guess.

Anymore Thoughts out there?

Thanks
Cowboy
 

Ike0069

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I would write back and say they still owe you money. Don't let that jackass off even it is only $20.
I would also try and find out if VISA is even with them. For that small amount VISA might have just dropped it. You need to get this guy for everything he deserves.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: MDofPC
First of all I would like to say in our defense that Space Cowboy requested a case that we did not have in out store, we did however try to make our best effort to get him what he was looking for since he only gave us a model number to go off of.

He wanted a Cheiftec Matrix Gloss Black Case and ended up recieving a Carbon Black instead, it also included a power supply. We should have given a full refund from the start but our account manager told him that there is a 15% restocking fee as any returned item minus shipping.

He was returned his funds minus 15% restocking fee and shipping, this caused him to report us to every agency he could find and start this discussion about this case.

On top of being reported to the BBS and multiple other agencies that have dropped his claim due to no grounds, our terms and conditions available on our site at http://www.mdofpc.com/onlinestore/conditions.php

He went to his credit card company and was able to dispute the remaining difference from his order (15% restocking and shipping) a total of about $25!

At this point he has received a full refund and has no grounds for a dispute or further complaint.

If anyone reading this does not believe any of these facts we will gladly send proof as we wish to terminate this thread for slander against MDofPC.

If you would like further information please email: webmaster@mdofpc.com or call 1-866-963-6372

May you and all other scum like you burn in hell.

Thieves are thieves, there is no middle ground.
 

CQuinn

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Write the letter, explain the situation where VISA has refunded money,
but make it clear that it was not done as a return on purchase from the merchant.

And more importantly, the complaint is not just over the loss of money, but also
the continuing questionable and potentially fraudulent business practices of the company.

I came looking for this thread to add a followup: I was looking for a utility to help in another thread, when I came across
this link for DOS 7.10

Note: "MS-DOS 7.10" is really a collection of freeware apps and utilities that some guys online put together as thier idea of what could
have been the next version of DOS. It is not developed by, supported by or distributed by Microsoft corporation (despite what the
Microsoft logo on the linked page would have you believe).

They have also apparently been selling Windows XP 64 bit edition since the 15th of December 2004.
Which is funny, since the Microsoft rollout for the OS is tommorow!

I wonder how much he charges to borrow the time machine he used to get a Windows version from the future? And can he
pick up a copy of Windows 2006 and Linux with the 2.8 kernel while he's out?

<offtopic>

Space Cowboy, where did you get that Earth Wallpaper on your desktop image? Is that a clock utility?
Oh, and what theme are you running (Royale)?

</offtopic>

 

Space Cowboy

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How does this look? All suggestions welcome:


Mr Attorney General

Unfortunately MDOFPC is telling you stories just like they have been telling me. I just got off the phone with VISA and they told me that they had to refund some of the money that MDOFPC tried to scam me for. I still have not recovered all my money that was lost due to their little scam. I checked all the credits to my credit card and it looks like MDOFPC still owes me $13.87 that I had to pay to ship the computer case that they sent me back to them. It was not what I ordered. It also looks like they are engaged in selling copyrighted software, that they do not have permission to, on their website. I have been posting in a forum and had many other people post their comments about what MDOFPC is doing.
Here is the address:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=27&threadid=1538181

Thanks for your time
Space Cowboy
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
How does this look? All suggestions welcome:


Okay, a bit of constructive critisism...
BTW, I am not a lawyer, but I have spoken to the current AG in my city about online crimes, and what type of evidence his office tries
to look for in order to build a case.

Mr Attorney General


Change to "To: Attorney Generals Office" or "To: Office of the Attorney General". Don't post it as if the persons name is Attorney General.
If you do know the name of the Attorney General, then follow up the To: line with a "Dear Mr Smith," or something like that.

You want your response to sound as professional and polite as the letter they sent you. You didn't even answer the quiestion that they asked.

Stick to the facts of your case, and how it pertains to the response to their question. They don't care if you think its a scam or not,
because scamming someone is not something worth bringing charges over. Proving that he has gained illegal profits from scamming
someone is.

Dont mention monetary amounts unless they ask for them. They are not going to go after this guy for a $13.87 difference on a credit card charge.
Especially when VISA was willing to eat most of the loss. To be worth building a case on, they are going to have to show losses for customers, or
illegal profits of several thousands of dollars; seriously, otherwise it isn't even worth thier time compared to the other criminal cases that they
have to prepare.

Keep your responses short, simple, to the point and impersonal (as hard as that may be).
They're not going to care that you just got off the phone with VISA, or that you had to pay to ship the case back, because that does not show
facts that would indicate illegal activity. Put yourself in thier shoes... be honest, but just give them clear information that they can use
in a case file:

"No, my complaint has not been settled" (Answering the real question that they needed an anwer to).

"I have recieved a partial credit from VISA, but the merchant has not returned or refunded any monies in dispute"

"I believe this complaint should be left open as part of the evidence that this company is engaging in fraudulent activity thru their
business site"

"I base this on reports I have seen from others that claim he does not have legal right to sell some of the products and services
available thru that site" (Link available on request).


You can put the link in if you want, but they have no more reason to believe us than they do to not believe MDofPCs claim that the
issue was settled. Ultimately, they have to be able to prove that the links and other information given is true for themselves, thru
the use of registered law enforcement agents. Otherwise it is just a case of our word against his, and they're not gonna pay to
fly us up to PA to testify against him. You might use some of the things we said to point them to places to look for evidence, but
they are going to have to find it and validate it seperately from our reports.




I hope this helps....
 

Space Cowboy

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Thanks.. So hows this then?

Dear Mr. (I know his name)

No, my complaint has not been settled.

I have recieved a partial credit from VISA, but the merchant has not returned or refunded any monies in dispute.

I believe this complaint should be left open as part of the evidence that this company is engaging in fraudulent activity thru their business site.

I base this on reports I have seen from others that claim he does not have legal right to sell some of the products and services available thru that site (Link available on request).

Thank You
Space Cowboy (Insert Real Name)
 
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