Aaaand stop. Yes, there is evidence that AMD employees post on tech forums without explicitly stating that. No, there is no evidence that AMD currently employs undercover astroturfers. Or do you have some evidence on the contrary? BFG10K said it the best:
I have seen many threads where users were being coerced to buy some inferior AMD products.
Can you please link to any thread where this happened?
That is the kind of thing this forum needs to be aware of.
You'll find the most of those on the CPU board if you go back to near the release of BD. Tons of "I get just as good framerate with my BD as the fastest intel chip, so BD is as good as the best intel chip" posts. Sure, you've measured your video card and not your cpu, dork. You could get that same fps with that video card with a $100 intel proc instead of the $1000 intel proc as well.
You probably won't find it on the video card forum because AMD doesn't have an objectively bad product on that side (and hasn't for many, many years). Nvidia and AMD/ATI have leap frogged one another for the last 3 or 4 generations consistently. There is no need to be misleading to promote, there.
AMD vs Intel though... That's where you see the bizarre claims. First it was the claims that they were just as good, then there were a ton of brand new regs that were posting and magically all of them used their PC's 24x7 to encode video and compress files and never do anything else and asked for cpu advice.
Outside of suggesting and belitting the opponent (which both sides do ad nauseam) - I wouldn't even use the word coerced to describe it.
Would also like to see which threads/posts Jaydip felt did warrant it.
Have you ever openly questioned a member's (of any forum) affiliation?
Essentially what the author is doing is singling out posters here (and as a whole - the Forum.) I've seen you post there, and I'm sure you are aware of this.
There is nothing wrong with calling out for transparency, but to what level do we - as posters - go to achieve?
So next time someone says something unfavorable about one person, is the shill-card okay to pull? I mean, without any actual underlining evidence - that's essentially what is being done here.
"Shills got me black listed."
"These posters, X,Y, and Z are shills."
"Edelman has been involved in the past with viral marketing - who do you think AMD hired?"
"We were once approached by a viral marketer, he basically gave me the handbook for scouting new marketers."
"Wow someone is an IT student and can afford x-hardware. Fits the description from the playbook."
[Above are paraphrases]
Yet, not a single actual piece of direct evidence. And the posters there instead of asking real questions, they just laugh and agree. I'm positive them, as much as I, would love some hard evidence. Something you can actual use instead of "ATF harbors AMD shills, it's their MO." Really? I've seen countless troublemakers from both sides get temp bans.
You'll find the most of those on the CPU board if you go back to near the release of BD. Tons of "I get just as good framerate with my BD as the fastest intel chip, so BD is as good as the best intel chip" posts. Sure, you've measured your video card and not your cpu, dork. You could get that same fps with that video card with a $100 intel proc instead of the $1000 intel proc as well.
I found most of these posts in the CPU forum actually.And recently i saw another gpu thread where the guy was advised to learn opencl instead of cuda though the guy never asked for it.I don't want to link to those posts as it will do more harm then good,but u can find those easily yourselves.
railven, a lot of those same posters would also very, very heavily promote the product any time anyone asked for purchase advice.
Though, I suspect most of them fall more in to the fanboy category and don't feel than any fall in to the shill category, but since I tend to tune out both, they're functionally the same to me.
No i haven't questioned anyone's affiliation because i don't know honestly.No as i said before its not our job to identify shills that task should best be left to the designated members.
Do you agree with the article claiming the moderation team here is influenced by AMD? That it is their MO to protect them the so called AMD shills?
You totally missed the point...
A WHOOSH sound echoed throughout my house as I read it.
Moderators can have their personal preferences but overall its quite fair and moderators don't run the show; we do.But i have absolutely no doubt they know some of the forum members among us are AMD marketers.If they really try to protect and promote unwarranted behavior someday it will come to haunt them for sure.This is a tech forum and a playground for enthusiasts and should be left as such.I welcome the marketing guys but they should be transparent.I think it really comes down to us how we want to see marketers among us.
Why do you believe there are AMD marketers here ?
And why do you believe the moderating staff are aware of AMD marketers here and allow it ?
Just help me understand here. When I believe something to be true I have to see something correlating and supporting it. I think you can resolve this whole thread for us in sharing what information you have that leaves you with 'absolutely no doubt.'
Why do you believe there are AMD marketers here ?
And why do you believe the moderating staff are aware of AMD marketers here and allow it ?
Just help me understand here. When I believe something to be true I have to see something correlating and supporting it. I think you can resolve this whole thread for us in sharing what information you have that leaves you with 'absolutely no doubt.'
This is not the case.But i have absolutely no doubt they know some of the forum members among us are AMD marketers.
The AMD marketers are here because ATF is a popular forum and they have an established fan base here.Moderators allow that because that's not prohibited at all,ATF doesn't force us to reveal our employers identity.Again i can link to numerous thread as i said in a previous post.You are a long time lurker here u should know that.