Opinion Piece on Social Policies

[KCfromNC]

Thank you!! That's precisely the point KC and you nailed it.
Petition AMD to enforce their social media policy, and you just might find
The answer to your question.

Or then again, maybe I won't... I guess it's easier to be vague and let people assume the worst.

Strange you claim there's so much evidence that you're convinced and yet you are unwilling to share what you know. Come on, if you're going to pretend that there are AMD stealth marketers here and that you've got them figured out don't keep the rest of us in the dark.

You can say the evidence is obvious all you want, but your actions on the matter say otherwise.

 

[Keysplayr]

You can say the evidence is obvious all you want, but your actions on the matter say otherwise.

And, you can deny the evidence all you want. If that's what you choose to do.
I just don't understand you. You come up with the issue perfectly, but in sarcasm? Why bother?
I think we are done?

 

[Keysplayr]

Yeah AMD Shills,if any, should be exposed just like how the nVIDIA fOCUS gROUP was exposed for shilling all those years ago.

It was called AEG then, and you're exactly right. See? I know all you guys feel this way about Nvidia affiliates. It makes zero sense not to want it for all tech companies. So, you are right on the money Nigel. Unless, like KCfromNC, you were just trying to use sarcasm. Just so you know, my meter is broken. So, you'll have to really say what you mean and mean what you say in our conversations.

 

[Keysplayr]

Keys, the issue (as has been beaten to death already) is that just using probability to "prove" that this forum is big enough that it simply "has to" have AMD employees on is not enough. If you are going to argue this, then why not start a mission to expose all the Micron/Samsung/Intel/Apple/*insert your favorite target here* workers? The person who created this whole "conversation" did so elsewhere and with ulterior motives (i.e "I want the free swag back"). Now as far as the review material goes, I hope he uses it provide quality content, but IMHO I doubt that is going to happen. He ended up where he did as a consequence of his actions (I highly doubt he would be listed as unreliable over just the 6990 incident) and even if the gravy train fires back up, it won't last forever. Neither will the spike in traffic from crying wolf. I bet the influx was less this time than before, and will be less every other time this whole "cry foul at an established site" trick is pulled. So go ahead, ignore this, pat yourself on the back and say good job. Just know the community has already given you its collective "I told you so".

So, you don't want to know. You'd just rather sit around and wonder. Your choice. As it is everyones. Nobody had to click on this topics thread. It was clearly marked as to what it was by the OP. Clearly it interests a lot of people. So, until AMD enforces their social media policy for it's employees and affiliates, this horse hasn't even passed the 1st furlong yet. Glue factory isn't even in sight yet. Sorry.

 

[KCfromNC]

One thing is funny though..it's the same usual "suspects" that rally to counter negative remarks about AMD...the company...we are not even talking about their hardware here...your actions make his claim more valid...ever thought of that? :whiste:

This is not the case.

[confirming that the mods don't know of any AMD marketing shills operating in this forurm]

So you're saying that the site moderators are part of the "usual suspects" that "rally to counter negative remarks about AMD"? Wow, the conspiracy really runs deep here. We're down the rabbit hole, folks. :rollseyes:

 

[KCfromNC]

And, you can deny the evidence all you want.

I can't deny it if no one will present it. Here's your big chance : tell us who is posting on this forum from the AMD viral marketing shill team. Come on, please post anything other than vague innuendo.

You come up with the issue perfectly, but in sarcasm?

Saying that your words are hypocritical isn't sarcasm. It's an honest evaluation of what you've been posting. But feel free to use it as an excuse to avoid standing behind what you write all yo want.

 

[Keysplayr]

I think I mentioned that we were done? Agree to disagree my good friend.

 

[KCfromNC]

I think I mentioned that we were done? Agree to disagree my good friend.

Try not to trip yourself up backpedaling away from your previous claims. You can avoid answering simple questions all you like, no need to pretend you need my permission to run away.

 

[Lonbjerg]

.oO(Why do posts about AMD's use of forums always end up in attacks on the poor soul that dares to ask questions?)

I didn't really buy into all this(even though I though there were some kind of issue between ABT and AMD)...but the behaviour in this thread. is starting to concivince me otherwise.

Not due to Apoppin...but to the behaviour of posters in THIS specific thread.

 

[Keysplayr]

Try not to trip yourself up backpedaling away from your previous claims. You can avoid answering simple questions all you like, no need to pretend you need my permission to run away.

Ok, np.

 

[Keysplayr]

.oO(Why do posts about AMD's use of forums always end up in attacks on the poor soul that dares to ask questions?)

I didn't really buy into all this(even though I though there were some kind of issue between ABT and AMD)...but the behaviour in this thread. is starting to concivince me otherwise.

Not due to Apoppin...but to the behaviour of posters in THIS specific thread.

You mean the "doth protest too much" thingy going on? Yeah. Hard to ignore.

 

[blckgrffn]

You mean the "doth protest too much" thingy going on? Yeah. Hard to ignore.

You have to admit that is a pretty subjective bar, though.

It seems to me that the ire is raised when a group is perceived to be attacked for having a lack of integrity and honesty without any proof.

We can say we don't care, this is just an internet forum, blah blah blah, but the evident reality is that some here take their online persona very seriously.

If people are being accused publicly of being sellouts, and then there is no proof of this...

Well, there is going to be some blow back. Is that a surprise? I can't imagine it would be, but then I've been wrong before. A couple times.

 

[Lonbjerg]

You mean the "doth protest too much" thingy going on? Yeah. Hard to ignore.

Yup.
I know the story of Rollo pretty good (had some talks with him har HardOCP, not about PR..but about hardware stuff, even communicated shortly with Ken Brown at that time( and guess I just painted a big bullseye on my back for telling this...but I don't care...go nothing to hide)) and I agree that disclosure is the way forward, like you do and the group members do.

I don't se a problem with disclosure, just look at..dang, cannot remember his name..the nice dude from Intel on this boards that is not afraid to admit when he dosn't have information..and does a real good job at giving info...unlike JFAMD.

It would be nice to see people from hardware companies identify themselfes.

PS. My sig would read:
Network technician at Fullrate A/S.

Like I said...got nothing to hide.

 

[railven]

You guys need to remember that we are adults, and we should act like them. It isn't my intention to report people in this thread, but I do ask that we keep level headed for the sake of discussion.

Again, I asked permission to post this thread (knowing the bad blood and chances are just pure flame wars) because to me this is an issue and a subject I wanted discussed.

For starters, ABT totally approached this wrong - I've stated that from the beginning, and I continue to do so. Instead of constructing a solid case he through accussations every where - the fact that he (and his supporters) don't openly acknowledge this is rather sad. Regardless of the outcome, the end's don't always justify the means. Calling people out, at at that a whole forum - it's administrators/posters, in some crusade to redeem your broken lines of communication isn't the proper way. And at the end of the road it was still actions he took, whether he wants to admit it - the actions were his, that got him black listed, not the actions of harbored shills at their "home" over at ATF VC&G.

I wanted people to be cleared of false accusations and wrong do-ers to be executed by public opinion. AMD had the ball in their court (from the start) and it's just unfortunate that this got to a point where the message of trying to get AMD to play fair was lost on petty accussations with no actual merit outside of disdain for a person's posting style and preference.

I'm sure this isn't over, and I'll be reading everything I can find on it until the end.

If anyone thinks AMD is different than nVidia, they are wrong. If AMD is practicing unethical practices that needs to stop. I never argued against that, however, I will still defend that not everyone affiliated with a company needs to disclose that (regardless of how a social policy is interpretted) unless forums start mandating we disclose that at the sign-up process.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out, ATF was the only forum that actually discussed the new buried Blog. The author and it's site did nothing to actually encourage people to read it. It was the actions here (though possibly aggrevating and it shows in Apoppin's responses) that caused him to send out the blog to more people than he originally had done so.

Kudos ATF!

 

[SirPauly]

He refuses to apologize for insulting innocent people 'caught in the crossfire'.What a sorry state of affairs.ABT is a joke and the hypocrisy among some posters is incredible.

I'm all for transparency but not the nasty insults toward me on that site.I, for one demand an apology for being quoted on that site.

EDIT: And next time you talk to Nigel, give him my apologies for snapping back and accusing him. He is welcome here anytime

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23370&start=40#p55925

This was some time ago.

 

[Obsoleet]

Expected.

And OF COURSE I'm an encourager. YOU should have been an encourager, LOL. Many others here should have been encouragers of this process. You probably don't understand what the end game is, do you? What the goal is? Any idea? Do you NOT want AMD employees or affiliates forced into transparency in the forums? Just the affiliation or employment, mind you. Not asking for their social security numbers or anything.
It is logic in it's most basic form. AMD has a transparency clause in their social media policy. Encouraging their employees to post, but also require transparency. The ONLY AMD employee to EVER show transparency, was JFAMD. EVER.

Now, you tell me if it's at all possible that JFAMD is the only AMD employee/affiliate to ever post on Anandtech or any other tech forums.
I want to know who they are. A screen name, and a "I am an AMD employee or and affiliate under it or in a sig. Required by AMD or face sanction.

Honestly, the employees are too busy working to post online all day. Let's stop bullshitting around that fact. That's why they rope in free workers like you.

 

[NIGELG]

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23370&start=40#p55925

This was some time ago.

He called me a jackass after that....that's why I am upset.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm not going to post in this subject anymore because I am personally insulted by the content at ABT and tend towards using profanity when I get pissed off.

The editor specifically has called me out as an employee of AMD's PR department on his forum. I will not provide links to give him page hits, but he has outright said this in his 'investigative thread' there. He thinks I work for AMD and am in AMD's PR department. He believes that AMD buys me nvidia hardware to keep up appearances and 'fly below the radar' He has not one iota of proof but still believes this. The most diplomatic way I can bring myself to describe his thinking is off-kilter.

I think he believes this simply because I lambasted him here once for white-knighting an nvidia feature too hard and/or because I recommend AMD cards.

That in its self is not that a big a deal to me because it is just ludicrous to the point of absurdity. What truly pisses me off is the way he is using innuendo and conjecture to rally an unfortunate few behind his cause by preying on their personal bias and viewpoints. I genuinely dislike that sort of behaviour because it's a sore reminder of how many bad things are done in this world using the same sort of repulsive rumour mongering and spreading of fear.

I hope he never gets back on the gravy train he got cut off from. He does not deserve to review a slice of processed cheese with the kind of incredulous and foul stink that emanates from his 'articles'.

 

[jvroig]

I realize this topic is more "social" than technical, but do remember that the existence of this thread is in no way a license to ignore the guidelines that govern VC&G, despite this thread being more "social" than technical in nature.

So as a reminder for everyone participating in the thread:
1. Avoid profanity
2. No call-outs or personal attacks
3. Your opinion is certainly welcome, but try not to put too much "negative" attitude (you know what I mean) along with it. If your post ends up as nothing more than flame-bait or an incitement of fanboy flamewars (throwing fuel into the fire), then you are doing something wrong.

My advice would be: delay posting if you feel peeved. Posting when angered almost always never ends well, and if what you are going to post is worthwhile, it doesn't really matter if you post it now versus several hours later.

Moderator jvroig

 

[NIGELG]

I realize this topic is more "social" than technical, but do remember that the existence of this thread is in no way a license to ignore the guidelines that govern VC&G, despite this thread being more "social" than technical in nature.

So as a reminder for everyone participating in the thread:
1. Avoid profanity
2. No call-outs or personal attacks
3. Your opinion is certainly welcome, but try not to put too much "negative" attitude (you know what I mean) along with it. If your post ends up as nothing more than flame-bait or an incitement of fanboy flamewars (throwing fuel into the fire), then you are doing something wrong.

My advice would be: delay posting if you feel peeved. Posting when angered almost always never ends well, and if what you are going to post is worthwhile, it doesn't really matter if you post it now versus several hours later.

Moderator jvroig

I'm not upset or angry anymore...I just don't like being lumped in with the AMD shills if they exist.My name is NIGEL and one of them who posts here and there asked me if I'm Nigel Deassau and asked me if I am an AMD shill.

For the records again I am not a Shill/Marketer/Employee for any company.

 

[thilanliyan]

Now, you tell me if it's at all possible that JFAMD is the only AMD employee/affiliate to ever post on Anandtech or any other tech forums.
I want to know who they are. A screen name, and a "I am an AMD employee or and affiliate under it or in a sig. Required by AMD or face sanction.

Are YOU the only person affiliated with nVidia in any way posting here? If it's hard to believe AMD employees are not on these boards, then what about nVidia's, or other tech companies?

And, you can deny the evidence all you want.

Please can you state or even link to this evidence? I have not seen it but would like to be informed of any shills on this forum.

 

[busydude]

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23370&start=40#p55925

This was some time ago.

He just posted that in his own forum.. lacking common courtesy of apologizing to him in person.

 

[thilanliyan]

Even if I thought nvidia, AMD, Intel or whatever other random company was here shilling - I would not have the audacity to just pick the company I liked least and start calling specific posters/people and the ATF staff out with no proof, no right and no class.

QFT.

I have still not seen any proof from anyone. Assuming they are here because AT is a popular forum is not good enough for such an accusation. If certain persons are actually shilling, they should be exposed, no question about that, but don't level such a serious accusation without proof.

 

[Jaydip]

You guys need to remember that we are adults, and we should act like them. It isn't my intention to report people in this thread, but I do ask that we keep level headed for the sake of discussion.

Again, I asked permission to post this thread (knowing the bad blood and chances are just pure flame wars) because to me this is an issue and a subject I wanted discussed.

For starters, ABT totally approached this wrong - I've stated that from the beginning, and I continue to do so. Instead of constructing a solid case he through accussations every where - the fact that he (and his supporters) don't openly acknowledge this is rather sad. Regardless of the outcome, the end's don't always justify the means. Calling people out, at at that a whole forum - it's administrators/posters, in some crusade to redeem your broken lines of communication isn't the proper way. And at the end of the road it was still actions he took, whether he wants to admit it - the actions were his, that got him black listed, not the actions of harbored shills at their "home" over at ATF VC&G.

I wanted people to be cleared of false accusations and wrong do-ers to be executed by public opinion. AMD had the ball in their court (from the start) and it's just unfortunate that this got to a point where the message of trying to get AMD to play fair was lost on petty accussations with no actual merit outside of disdain for a person's posting style and preference.

I'm sure this isn't over, and I'll be reading everything I can find on it until the end.

If anyone thinks AMD is different than nVidia, they are wrong. If AMD is practicing unethical practices that needs to stop. I never argued against that, however, I will still defend that not everyone affiliated with a company needs to disclose that (regardless of how a social policy is interpretted) unless forums start mandating we disclose that at the sign-up process.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out, ATF was the only forum that actually discussed the new buried Blog. The author and it's site did nothing to actually encourage people to read it. It was the actions here (though possibly aggrevating and it shows in Apoppin's responses) that caused him to send out the blog to more people than he originally had done so.

Kudos ATF!

There is only one reason i posted here,i just want transparency from all the companies regardless of their color.Its not my job to defend a site or a person(They can do it way better than me).My idea is simple,the marketers should identify themselves.But i never implied that ATF is a breeding ground for shills.99.9999%(should i add more 9's :biggrin of posters are fans just like me.If any AMD fan has been hurt by my post I'm truly sorry.My intention was never to hurt or vindicate anyone but just request to enforce transparency.I still belive if some marketer from XYZ company can influence my purchasing decision they should identify themselves.

 

[d4a2n0k]

I have no doubt that some employees do post here from time to time. But this was all about Anandtech mods knowing and harboring these shills. Where are the names?

Others were caught in the past and were forced to put it in their signature. Would Anandtech risk their reputation by now allowing AMD employees to shill? I doubt it...