And the reason it's not a AMD "flog" site is?
It's because Apoppin turned them away. That alone should earn him your respect no matter what other differences you may or may not have with him or his methods.
Lol. Have you seen who posts there? It's in no way an AMD flog site. Most of the members are notorious NV trolls who have been banned from everywhere else or are part of the NV marketing machine.
Up to what?
Can you quote that in context please?
You know Apoppin favors ATI/AMD. Always has and maybe always will even with whats going on. But after this, who knows.
And the reason it's not a AMD "flog" site is?
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Poor Apoppin, all those years he fought against the nvidia shills on this forum..
An AMD employee tried to turn his website into a flog site. Why would he make that up?
There's definitely evidence that the AMD employee in question was up to something at ABT.
Idontcare has directly said on here that there are AMD employees in our midst.
You claimed, "All he did was point out that AMD's employees are both known to post here". Forgive us for actually asking for some proof of said claim. You obviously believe he has some sort of proof...and we would all like to see it.Look, I'm done answering all this stuff for apoppin. Quite frankly I have better things to do with my time.
You claimed, "All he did was point out that AMD's employees are both known to post here". Forgive us for actually asking for some proof of said claim. You obviously believe he has some sort of proof...and we would all like to see it.
Drama. Just read anands reviews. He'll tell you what to buy & best values. 3/4 of these threads in video are company members fighting it out which none pays attention to anyway.
No no... It doesn't work like that.
Apoppin posts vague and broad accusations against unnamed people and it's up to us to prove him wrong otherwise its true... Or something...
There is a concept of "burden of proof."
Generally, when someone makes a claim, the burden of proof rests on them to substantiate that claim by providing proof.
Before we get into issues with the source, Id like to state that this is a subject that is interesting to me and got approval to post for discussion.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=29278
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24650
I find this subject interesting because of the accusations being implied by the author, and source site, with out any real evidence. Its getting to the point where they are promoting unwarranted implications that any AMD/ATI fan should be considered a compensated employee of AMD or their marketing affiliates. As an AMD/ATI fan (note: I only use Radeons) I find this approach rather insulting.
If youve read the article youll see how only one specific company is really examined even though they have their own policy on social networking. The author goes on to stretch accusations of this site and staff of being involved in this marketing agenda. One specific quote from IDC is used to support their claims, yet if they did any real investigation theyd come across the other quotes from IDC that clarified on his original post.
After waiting for months for this article to surface I find myself with the same opinion I did during the investigative parts and the Q&A which is there is still absolutely no evidence that proves any of the claims.
tl;dr
How do you guys feel about these viral shill accusations for simply supporting a product you prefer? Its amazing that openly supporting a product/brand and being an otherwise fanboy/girl is now being misconstrued as being someone who is compensated to do so. Is that the next level of forum posting?
Unfortunately, some posters in this thread don't believe in that...or they're French maybe?
Several others, including me, have asked for proof from the people here that keep insinuating that there are AMD employees/shills on these forums, and the response we typically get is, "do you really think there AREN'T AMD employees on these forums". Apparently that is proof enough for them. It isn't for me, but that is just MY opinion.
There is a concept of "burden of proof."
Generally, when someone makes a claim, the burden of proof rests on them to substantiate that claim by providing proof.
If someone makes a claim, and offers no proof, the claim should not be accepted.
Extraordinary claims tend to require extraordinary proof.
It's like in America, the government claims you are guilty of crime, the burden of proof is on the government to substantiate that claim with evidence to prove your guilt. In America, you aren't assumed to be guilty and then have to prove yourself innocent.
Burden of proof can be very important to remember.
This isn't America, this is the internet. No burden of proof is necessary for internet accusations. Apoppin has always spoken his mind. Frankly, I'm surprised that so many here are so worked up over this.
Poor Apoppin, all those years he fought against the nvidia shills on this forum. And now AMD wont even thank him with some free cards. I can't even understand how it feels for him, his beloved company put him on ignore.
Proof. Public admission
http://www.rage3d.com/interviews/eric_demers_farewell_interview/
except AMD employees are still posting on the tech forums without identifying themselves - in conflict with their own policiesTerry Makedon - Long before there was Facebook or Twitter there were only forums on websites to interact with other enthusiasts. 10 years ago Eric and I used to post like mad on the Rage3D forums, but we never met. He was working at ATI's Silicon Valley office and I was working in the Toronto office. We both spent countless hours on those forums reading every single post that was put up there. Ahh the good ole days!
So someone ranting about this forum being a safe haven for shills is speaking their mind but people asking for proof are just worked up.
OK.
Speaking about proof, ABT's latest.
Thats Terry Makedon aka CatalystMaker and Eric Demers aka sireric. On rage3D they where known to be ati reps.
So there where 2 ati reps posting with full disclosure @ rage3D, and that in some twisted way is proof that AMD is shilling on this forum.....
I saw "Social Policies" and expected something about Civ 5...
I haven't been over to ABT in several months. I know that Apoppin gets pretty worked up when he's pissed off about something. My advice would be to stay away from ABT if you don't agree with his opinions. Sometimes I agree with him, but quite often I don't. If he posts his opinions over here then by all means I would share your thoughts/opinions.