just lol at comparing the proper control setup in an F1 car to a production vehicle land barge.
Really? Think I'll reserve my judgement until I get mine. I trust Tesla way more than you. Like infinity more. . Until then, I'll continue to discount anything you say based on your poor EV knowledge.
F1 guys seem to travel pretty fast. They seem to do pretty well with yoke like wheel.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a26827434/2019-mercedes-f1-steering-wheel-explained/
Does that wheel look round? The new Tesla Roadster also has the yoke steering wheel. You think the Cybertruck at under 3 seconds 0-60 mph is fast? Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 mph in under 2 seconds.
LOL, how about 3 x 233 with 5 minutes to switch drivers instead of 30 min or whatever to fast charge (if you can find a charger)? Not everyone on a family trip drives solo.I'm comfortable driving up to 6 hours between stops, but some people need to go to the restroom every 2 hours. For family trips you describe, it's probably not that unusual to have pit stops well before your gas tank hits E.
More to the point, keep in mind we're really still looking at 1st gen BEVs. A Tesla Model 3 isn't fundamentally much different from an S; it's just engineered to be cheaper for mainstream consumers. Other EV models are a bit less efficient that Tesla, although in Edmunds real-world testing, the most efficient electric drivetrains are pretty similar. Battery tech hasn't evolved much, and we're kind of in an awkward spot where burgeoning EV demand could easily outstrip battery supply. But researchers are always trying to develop better battery chemistry. You can already see that to be competitive, a next gen. BEV will need to have over 400 miles range; and more importantly DC fast charging can keep your stops at 20 minutes or even less.
Battery exchange is useless, and who the hell needs 700 miles range without stopping? LOL
And I will discount what you say based on your rabid enthusiasm for Tesla.Really? Think I'll reserve my judgement until I get mine. I trust Tesla way more than you. Like infinity more. . Until then, I'll continue to discount anything you say based on your poor EV knowledge.
F1 guys seem to travel pretty fast. They seem to do pretty well with yoke like wheel.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a26827434/2019-mercedes-f1-steering-wheel-explained/
Does that wheel look round? The new Tesla Roadster also has the yoke steering wheel. You think the Cybertruck at under 3 seconds 0-60 mph is fast? Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 mph in under 2 seconds.
It's totally form over function
You know what formula one drivers don't have to do?Really? Think I'll reserve my judgement until I get mine. I trust Tesla way more than you. Like infinity more. . Until then, I'll continue to discount anything you say based on your poor EV knowledge.
F1 guys seem to travel pretty fast. They seem to do pretty well with yoke like wheel.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a26827434/2019-mercedes-f1-steering-wheel-explained/
Does that wheel look round? The new Tesla Roadster also has the yoke steering wheel. You think the Cybertruck at under 3 seconds 0-60 mph is fast? Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 mph in under 2 seconds.
Mechanical can fail. But its all separate things. If my passenger door handle breaks my drivers door still works.Honestly I don't know for sure. But mechanical can fail just as electronic can so haven't worried. Even if the touchscreen shuts down, the car is still driveable, just can't see my speed.
Like I said, I'll reserve my final judgement until I get my Cybertruck. For all we know, it could have regular round steering wheel. I still think yoke wheel looks cool, and I would get it just for looks.You know what formula one drivers don't have to do?
They don't have to reverse into or out of parking spots with kids running around.
Yoke steering wheels also have nothing to do with EVs, you are conflating everything Tela does as being an EV thing. Touchscreens and yoke steering wheels aren't an EV issue.
I'm not sure why you are making this about Tesla.Like I said, I'll reserve my final judgement until I get my Cybertruck. For all we know, it could have regular round steering wheel. I still think yoke wheel looks cool, and I would get it just for looks.
But does it really matter? None of you are buying Tesla. If it isn't this, it will be something else Tesla does that you disapprove. Tesla is basically Apple. They're going to do things to piss you off. I use iPhone, iPad, MacBook, Apple TV, Apple Watch, etc. So I know what I'm getting with Tesla and their walled garden. But just like with Apple, I have a feeling most of the automakers will simply copy Tesla. So if you're annoyed with Tesla, prepare to be annoyed when all the other automakers copy Tesla features into their cars.
Tesla started the giant iPad touchscreen minimalist trend. They're the one with the yoke steering wheel on the Model S. Also no handle on the Cybertruck and Roadster.I'm not sure why you are making this about Tesla.
I get it, a Model 3 simply isn't practical for you right now. You seem to have skipped over my point entirely, which is that as BEVs and infrastructure develop, the range anxiety and charge times will cease to be a limiting factor.LOL, how about 3 x 233 with 5 minutes to switch drivers instead of 30 min or whatever to fast charge (if you can find a charger)? Not everyone on a family trip drives solo.
I don't have a problem necessarily with rabid enthusiasm; some people are just wired with the cheerleader/evangelist gene.And I will discount what you say based on your rabid enthusiasm for Tesla.
Just what the world needs! An F1 style yoke in a 3 ton pickup truck with instant torque. They won't have to ban ICE vehicles anytime soon, but instead maybe they'll ban pedestrians and bicyclists for their own safety.You know what formula one drivers don't have to do?
They don't have to reverse into or out of parking spots with kids running around.
Yoke steering wheels also have nothing to do with EVs, you are conflating everything Tela does as being an EV thing. Touchscreens and yoke steering wheels aren't an EV issue.
Really? Think I'll reserve my judgement until I get mine. I trust Tesla way more than you. Like infinity more. . Until then, I'll continue to discount anything you say based on your poor EV knowledge.
F1 guys seem to travel pretty fast. They seem to do pretty well with yoke like wheel.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a26827434/2019-mercedes-f1-steering-wheel-explained/
Does that wheel look round? The new Tesla Roadster also has the yoke steering wheel. You think the Cybertruck at under 3 seconds 0-60 mph is fast? Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 mph in under 2 seconds.
So?Tesla started the giant iPad touchscreen minimalist trend. They're the one with the yoke steering wheel on the Model S. Also no handle on the Cybertruck and Roadster.
Tesla started the giant iPad touchscreen minimalist trend. They're the one with the yoke steering wheel on the Model S. Also no handle on the Cybertruck and Roadster.
I can see good and bad with the yoke. I don't think I'll have major problem using the yoke wheel. But I'll reserve my final judgement until I get the Cybertruck. I still think yoke wheel looks really cool just like the Cybertruck.So?
You can hold the opinion on yoke steering wheels and full touchscreen controls in a car without bringing Tesla into it.
Either they are good ideas or bad ideas regardless of who is pushing them.
Yoke steering wheels have a lot of bad points, I can't actually think of a good point for them.
Touchscreens are great for displaying lots of information and being very flexible in their input and output. They are just terrible to use without looking at them. They are an objectively bad interface if you are supposed to be paying attention to something else.
I'm against them for those reasons, not because Tesla is using them. I suspect that the only reason you like them is because Tesla is pushing them?
Forget about how cool it looks, it's an instrument for controlling a ton or so of steel hurtling along at 70mph or so.I can see good and bad with the yoke. I don't think I'll have major problem using the yoke wheel. But I'll reserve my final judgement until I get the Cybertruck. I still think yoke wheel looks really cool just like the Cybertruck.
Its not an issue about how good the touchscreen is. You are supposed to be in control of the car at all times. You are not in control of the car if you have to look down to use the controls.As for the full touchscreen, I'm huge fan of Tesla touchscreen. I loved it when I test drove the Model 3. It was fast, fluid, and responsive. I didn't have any problem using it while the car was driving and in AutoPilot. I've seen videos of other cars like Taycan, ID4, iPace, etc. and those are not as good. In fact, ID4 is horrible right now. But I'm sure VW will fix it. VW is learning to program software just like Tesla learned how to mass manufacture. There's big learning curve, and I've no doubt VW will figure it out.
Yoke wheel:Forget about how cool it looks, it's an instrument for controlling a ton or so of steel hurtling along at 70mph or so.
Try this. Sit in a chair facing forward for me. Hold your hands out as if you are holding a steering wheel at 3 and 9 o'clock. Pretend you are turning the wheel and tell me where it starts to get uncomfortable.
I'm guessing you'll probably get to 11 and 5 o'clock.
Now try it looking over your shoulder.
You said you could see good and bad. What's the good BTW?
Its not an issue about how good the touchscreen is. You are supposed to be in control of the car at all times. You are not in control of the car if you have to look down to use the controls.
This isn't a Tesla vs anyone else thing, stop trying to make into one.
i never said anything about not stopping. I JUST DONT WANT TO WAIT TO CHARGE MY CAR. i never said a family trip, even with 5 kids no one needs to pee every 2 hours, let alone long enough for it to charge. 700 miles would be great. i drive super long trips and could not imagine having to wait another 1.5 hours to finish (most likely would be the nail in the coffin. but i guess if i fall asleep from all the charging the car can drive it self home... )I'm comfortable driving up to 6 hours between stops, but some people need to go to the restroom every 2 hours. For family trips you describe, it's probably not that unusual to have pit stops well before your gas tank hits E.
More to the point, keep in mind we're really still looking at 1st gen BEVs. A Tesla Model 3 isn't fundamentally much different from an S; it's just engineered to be cheaper for mainstream consumers. Other EV models are a bit less efficient that Tesla, although in Edmunds real-world testing, the most efficient electric drivetrains are pretty similar. Battery tech hasn't evolved much, and we're kind of in an awkward spot where burgeoning EV demand could easily outstrip battery supply. But researchers are always trying to develop better battery chemistry. You can already see that to be competitive, a next gen. BEV will need to have over 400 miles range; and more importantly DC fast charging can keep your stops at 20 minutes or even less.
Battery exchange is useless, and who the hell needs 700 miles range without stopping? LOL
Yoke wheel:
Good: Looks cool.
Bad: Might be learning curve or adjustment how I steer. Could be bad, good, neutral depending on the outcome.
Touchscreen: It greatly matter how good the touchscreen is. UI design and touch responsiveness plays huge role. And because of Tesla Autopilot, I felt very comfortable using it while the car was in motion and driving. I'm telling you my experience with Tesla. I didn't have any of the problem you seem to have with the touchscreen while the car was in motion. Have you test driven Model 3? Perhaps you should try it before dismissing touch screen only control as bad. You might be surprised how much you like the experience and the interface. Even while the car is driving and in motion.
Yoke wheel:
Good: Looks cool.
Bad: Might be learning curve or adjustment how I steer. Could be bad, good, neutral depending on the outcome.
Touchscreen: It greatly matter how good the touchscreen is. UI design and touch responsiveness plays huge role. And because of Tesla Autopilot, I felt very comfortable using it while the car was in motion and driving. I'm telling you my experience with Tesla. I didn't have any of the problem you seem to have with the touchscreen while the car was in motion. Have you test driven Model 3? Perhaps you should try it before dismissing touch screen only control as bad. You might be surprised how much you like the experience and the interface. Even while the car is driving and in motion.
I've never seen that but I can imagine!You have never seen Top Gear's Clarkson ranting about yoke wheel? Ferrari I think it was.
I don't watch Top Gear.You have never seen Top Gear's Clarkson ranting about yoke wheel? Ferrari I think it was.
Form over function? Maybe? Maybe the function is better after short adjustment period? Hard to say without trying it. But I can say it looks cooler without trying it. So my opinion is it looks cool.So totally form over function then?
You aren't getting it are you?
It doesn't matter how good the touchscreen is because even if the touchscreen was designed and made by God you'd still have to look at it to use it. And if you are looking at it you aren't looking at the road.
Now if we get to a point where we have totally autonomous driving you'd have a point but we are nowhere near at the moment.
Form over function? Maybe? Maybe the function is better after short adjustment period? Hard to say without trying it. But I can say it looks cooler without trying it. So my opinion is it looks cool.
Tesla doesn't have autonomous driving at the moment. All your words there are built on it having it. When or if it does have it that's fine but at the moment you are a terrible driver for doing that, in the same way that someone sending a text on their phone while driving is a terrible driver.You seem very caught up in the fact you have to look at the screen to use it and that bothers you. It bothers you because it's not safe in the vehicle you currently drive. I understand. I don't feel comfortable looking at the screen of my current car. Because my car can't autosteer, auto brake, and keep me in the driving lane. Autopilot can and I felt very comfortable looking at the screen while the car drove on its own. And Tesla autopilot and FSD will keep getting better. Tesla is designing their cars for Autopilot and FSD. So their touchscreen interface works. And it works really well. You're applying your current car limitations on Tesla and all other cars. My experience with Tesla is their touchscreen interface is great and totally usable while driving. Did I have to take my eye off the road. Yes. Did I feel unsafe doing it? No. I felt perfectly safe. Will I operate the Cybertruck touchscreen while driving? You bet.
I'm open to the possibility it can be better or worse with the steering wheel. Maybe I'll like the driving feel better.How is the function of a steering wheel increased by cutting away the top bit?
Tesla doesn't have autonomous driving at the moment. All your words there are built on it having it. When or if it does have it that's fine but at the moment you are a terrible driver for doing that, in the same way that someone sending a text on their phone while driving is a terrible driver.
I'm open to the possibility it can be better or worse with the steering wheel. Maybe I'll like the driving feel better.
All Tesla comes with Autopilot standard. That's good enough and fine for quick touchscreen use while Autopilot drives. You seem to think fully autonomous vehicle is necessary for touchscreen control. The entire auto industry and the world disagrees with you. So keep being close-minded while having zero experience with the system you're critical of.