PA primary thread

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Where is:

Doesn't matter, McCain wins oval office easily?

Isn't 'A vote for Clinton is a vote for McCain' the Clinton slogan?

 

[StageLeft]

His inexperience definitely showed when he made that mistake.

Huh, clinton has fux0red this campaign way more than him. Hers has hemorrhaged severely months ago. In any case, campaigning for presidency is less important than actually being one; I presume their campaign managers are the key decision makers with things like courting college votes.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why post this now? In 24 hours we will have the only poll that matters.

Why post anything then?

It is not like any thread we create matters. Let's just close down P&N and head over to OT and talk about meaningless stuff.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why post this now? In 24 hours we will have the only poll that matters.

Why post anything then?

It is not like any thread we create matters. Let's just close down P&N and head over to OT and talk about meaningless stuff.

Who drops out of a race after going through over 40 and with only 5 contests remaining? Let the Indianians, North Carolinians and Puerto Ricans have their vote. What she should do is lay off the low blow slams. Since it's so unlikely she'll get the nom, she shouldn't be gutting the eventual nominee. Debate, raise issues, but play fair. It's pissing off a lot of her supporters like me. It would be different if she theoretically could assume first place in delegates and popular vote, but the 2% she's behind just cannot be made up at this point. I cannot see the supers throwing out the results of voters in the primary season. Who'd ever bother voting again?

She wins PA by 5+ but this thing has been over for a long while.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: superstition
College kids are notorious for not following through by actually showing up and voting, by the way.

Quite true.
Now if they'd set up a polling place on campus, you'd probably have much higher turnout. I'm going in today because I happen to have a 2hr break in classes. I can't go now because I'm technically at work, though it's just a work-study job, and so there's a fair amount of downtime. (Work study, in my mind, and given the amount of actual work done, is little more than a flat-out grant, with a little bit of a time investment required.)

I'll be going for Obama. My mom's all nuts about Hillary, saying it's the first time in recent memory that she's been really excited about a candidate. Good for her, I guess. I can't say that any of them thrill me. More career politicians spouting out half-truths, lies, and meaningless rhetoric. Big freaking deal.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why post this now? In 24 hours we will have the only poll that matters.

Why post anything then?

It is not like any thread we create matters. Let's just close down P&N and head over to OT and talk about meaningless stuff.

Who drops out of a race after going through over 40 and with only 5 contests remaining? Let the Indianians, North Carolinians and Puerto Ricans have their vote. What she should do is lay off the low blow slams. Since it's so unlikely she'll get the nom, she shouldn't be gutting the eventual nominee. Debate, raise issues, but play fair. It's pissing off a lot of her supporters like me. It would be different if she theoretically could assume first place in delegates and popular vote, but the 2% she's behind just cannot be made up at this point. I cannot see the supers throwing out the results of voters in the primary season. Who'd ever bother voting again?

She wins PA by 5+ but this thing has been over for a long while.

perfectly said.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Where is:

Doesn't matter, McCain wins oval office easily?

As a conservative, I could cover my eyes, draw a name out of a hap, and be equally disappointed with any of them. At this point, I just have to stockpile food and guns and wait it out

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why post this now? In 24 hours we will have the only poll that matters.

Why post anything then?

It is not like any thread we create matters. Let's just close down P&N and head over to OT and talk about meaningless stuff.

Who drops out of a race after going through over 40 and with only 5 contests remaining? Let the Indianians, North Carolinians and Puerto Ricans have their vote. What she should do is lay off the low blow slams. Since it's so unlikely she'll get the nom, she shouldn't be gutting the eventual nominee. Debate, raise issues, but play fair. It's pissing off a lot of her supporters like me. It would be different if she theoretically could assume first place in delegates and popular vote, but the 2% she's behind just cannot be made up at this point. I cannot see the supers throwing out the results of voters in the primary season. Who'd ever bother voting again?

She wins PA by 5+ but this thing has been over for a long while.

Indianans? Hoosiers... we are called Hoosiers.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Who drops out of a race after going through over 40 and with only 5 contests remaining? Let the Indianians, North Carolinians and Puerto Ricans have their vote. What she should do is lay off the low blow slams. Since it's so unlikely she'll get the nom, she shouldn't be gutting the eventual nominee. Debate, raise issues, but play fair. It's pissing off a lot of her supporters like me. It would be different if she theoretically could assume first place in delegates and popular vote, but the 2% she's behind just cannot be made up at this point. I cannot see the supers throwing out the results of voters in the primary season. Who'd ever bother voting again?

Why continue to campaign if there is no chance for you to win the nomination...I would have no problem if Hillary stayed in the race to voice her platform, and ensure that Obama does not ignore the constituency that she represents.

The problem is that they are both running essentially the same platform...this is a beauty content, not a nomination process, and Hillary lost.

She was hoping for an Obama blunder that would give her a decisive point spread in PA, and justify her ambitions for still securing the nomination...Obama not only demonstrated effective damage control, but has steadily chipped away at her once commanding lead in PA.

Unless she takes a 20 point spread today, she should gracefully drop out.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm going to form my opinion of who who won and by how much after the votes are counted. The polls will be closes anyway, before I could mind read that many people.

 

[nageov3t]

if Hillary loses PA, she should drop out.

if Hillary wins PA but loses both Indiana and NC, she should drop out after the last primary.

if Hillary wins PA and either Indiana or NC, I see no reason not to take it to the convention, unless the super delegates crown Obama king before then.

I heard there were three hundred thousand new democratic registrations for the PA primary this year... with numbers like that, can you really argue that the extended primary season is hurting the party? that's three hundred thousand people who are more likely to vote in November and months of forcing the democratic front-runner to build infrastructure in these states that might otherwise get ignored in the fall.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why post this now? In 24 hours we will have the only poll that matters.

Why post anything then?

It is not like any thread we create matters. Let's just close down P&N and head over to OT and talk about meaningless stuff.

Who drops out of a race after going through over 40 and with only 5 contests remaining? Let the Indianians, North Carolinians and Puerto Ricans have their vote. What she should do is lay off the low blow slams. Since it's so unlikely she'll get the nom, she shouldn't be gutting the eventual nominee. Debate, raise issues, but play fair. It's pissing off a lot of her supporters like me. It would be different if she theoretically could assume first place in delegates and popular vote, but the 2% she's behind just cannot be made up at this point. I cannot see the supers throwing out the results of voters in the primary season. Who'd ever bother voting again?

She wins PA by 5+ but this thing has been over for a long while.

Indianans? Hoosiers... we are called Hoosiers.

Yeah, I had no idea where to go with that. Was hoping no one did either. At least today isn't the Connecticut primary or I'd have pissed off a bunch of Connecticutans or Connecticutians or Connecticticuticans.

 

[mflacy]

Lol, did anyone just catch the exchange on MSNBC between the female newscaster and the guy in charge of precincts in Philadelphia?

MSNBC: Hi Fred, we heard about voting problems in Philadelphia. Machines not working and only 1 or 2 working machines in African American districts.

Philly: (eating cheesesteak in background) That's not happening. There were some problems in the morning just like most primaries, but they have been worked out.

MSNBC: Right, but we've heard that machines not working and only 1 or 2 working machines in African American districts.

Philly: NO, that's completely untrue.

MSNBC: OK, but is there any truth to these claims, Fred?

Philly: (Sighs in desperation)

The entire exchange went on waaaay too long.

 

[Vic]

It will be close and she still won't get out. Hillary's campaign isn't about the good of the country, it's about Hillary.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mflacy
Lol, did anyone just catch the exchange on MSNBC between the female newscaster and the guy in charge of precincts in Philadelphia?

MSNBC: Hi Fred, we heard about voting problems in Philadelphia. Machines not working and only 1 or 2 working machines in African American districts.

Philly: (eating cheesesteak in background) That's not happening. There were some problems in the morning just like most primaries, but they have been worked out.

MSNBC: Right, but we've heard that machines not working and only 1 or 2 working machines in African American districts.

Philly: NO, that's completely untrue.

MSNBC: OK, but is there any truth to these claims, Fred?

Philly: (Sighs in desperation)

The entire exchange went on waaaay too long.

My favorite part was the cheesesteak for breakfast. Those guys sure know how to live

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic
It will be close and she still won't get out. Hillary's campaign isn't about the good of the country, it's about Hillary.

Well, I think she really believes she IS what's good for the country, no? I feel like you do and express here, but I don't much like myself for having those suspicions when the only way to know for sure, how much self delusion there is really, would be to actually be inside her head. How much is her ambition driven by the assumptions she has the most to contribute and how much does her ambition not care. I don't really know; I just have only opinions, I think.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
It will be close and she still won't get out. Hillary's campaign isn't about the good of the country, it's about Hillary.

Well, I think she really believes she IS what's good for the country, no? I feel like you do and express here, but I don't much like myself for having those suspicions when the only way to know for sure, how much self delusion there is really, would be to actually be inside her head. How much is her ambition driven by the assumptions she has the most to contribute and how much does her ambition not care. I don't really know; I just have only opinions, I think.

I think you're right. Both of the Dem candidates believe passionately that they are what's best for the country. We're just as passionate about who we think would be best for the country. We are also passionately against those who oppose our choice, as if the opposition to our choice opposes what is good for the country.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: loki8481
if Hillary loses PA, she should drop out.

if Hillary wins PA but loses both Indiana and NC, she should drop out after the last primary.

if Hillary wins PA and either Indiana or NC, I see no reason not to take it to the convention, unless the super delegates crown Obama king before then.

I heard there were three hundred thousand new democratic registrations for the PA primary this year... with numbers like that, can you really argue that the extended primary season is hurting the party? that's three hundred thousand people who are more likely to vote in November and months of forcing the democratic front-runner to build infrastructure in these states that might otherwise get ignored in the fall.

160,000 of those registrations were Republicans bouncing over to the Democrat side... and that was only in the last few weeks of registration. Ought to be interesting. I have my popcorn and picture-in-picture ready for tonight

I only look at this for entertainment value anymore. I WANT it to go to the floor... I dont want EITHER of them to have it locked up before the convention. I have never seen it go to the floor before... I want to see what kind of wackiness that might be

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I heard there were three hundred thousand new democratic registrations for the PA primary this year... with numbers like that, can you really argue that the extended primary season is hurting the party? that's three hundred thousand people who are more likely to vote in November and months of forcing the democratic front-runner to build infrastructure in these states that might otherwise get ignored in the fall.

Agreed, this campaign is energizing the Democratic base like no other. The Democratic party will undoubtedly benefit from all these hundreds of thousands of new registrations when the general election comes around.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Agreed, this campaign is energizing the Democratic base like no other. The Democratic party will undoubtedly benefit from all these hundreds of thousands of new registrations when the general election comes around.

Will be interesting to see if the Democrats can sustain that enthusiasm going into November.

A few months ago, I would say either Hillary or Obama was unstoppable...their mud slinging over the passt 6 weeks has definitely tarnished both candidates to the point where I think McCain has a shot.

Also, the emotions surrounding the now beauty contest between Obama and Hillary will result in numerous voters defecting to the Republicans out of spite.

Not to mention that you have record numbers of Republicans and independents registering or participating in the Democrat's nomination...not because they intend to support either candidate in November, but due to a number of other factors.

That the excitement surrounding Obama/Hillary turned into a pissing match of epic proportions does not bode well for the Democrats...McCain is still facing an uphill battle regardless.

BUT

I get a sense that many voters have Obama/Hillary burnout...three months into this thing, and we still don't know much about their respective plaforms...we know plenty about "bitter-gate" and "sniper-gate" and "racist-gate" and every other meaningless controversy to hit the media...and the subsequent spin...plaforms and ideas, not so much.

McCain could very easily exploit media burnout on Obama/Hillary.

Well, I think she really believes she IS what's good for the country, no?

What usually comes to mind for me:

"And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"

 

[mitchel]

So where's the poll to see who's winning? This thread fails.

 

[alchemize]

I love the whole Billary propaganda..."I have to win"...it's always been obvious she would win the state. the question is by what margin she wins. Anything less than a 10 point victory, and it's a "loss" for her.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
It will be close and she still won't get out. Hillary's campaign isn't about the good of the country, it's about Hillary.

Well, I think she really believes she IS what's good for the country, no? I feel like you do and express here, but I don't much like myself for having those suspicions when the only way to know for sure, how much self delusion there is really, would be to actually be inside her head. How much is her ambition driven by the assumptions she has the most to contribute and how much does her ambition not care. I don't really know; I just have only opinions, I think.

I think you're right. Both of the Dem candidates believe passionately that they are what's best for the country. We're just as passionate about who we think would be best for the country. We are also passionately against those who oppose our choice, as if the opposition to our choice opposes what is good for the country.

Yes, and there are a number of ways one can go with that. The traditional way, the way that in my opinion is useless, is to demonize the opposition and destroy them, because they are no good.

Another way, the way I think Obama favors, is to look at what both sides have in common and work from there, the desire to do what is best for the nation. I believe that liberals lean in the direction of dissatisfaction with what is wrong with the nation and conservatives are occupied with lot allowing things to get worse. For one change is good and for the other it is bad.

But the truth has nothing to do with change; it's about what kind of change and where. Can we find things both sides want to change, in a common concern for what is best for the nation? Can we begin with the notion of respect that the other side wants what is good too? Can we talk seriously about what is really good and bad as if the cares of both sides were positive?

This is the kind of change I think we need, a change from fighting to working together. It requires that one die to what we've been doing. We have a love for war that may cost us far more than we can imagine.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Vic
It will be close and she still won't get out. Hillary's campaign isn't about the good of the country, it's about Hillary.

Well, I think she really believes she IS what's good for the country, no? I feel like you do and express here, but I don't much like myself for having those suspicions when the only way to know for sure, how much self delusion there is really, would be to actually be inside her head. How much is her ambition driven by the assumptions she has the most to contribute and how much does her ambition not care. I don't really know; I just have only opinions, I think.

I think you're right. Both of the Dem candidates believe passionately that they are what's best for the country. We're just as passionate about who we think would be best for the country. We are also passionately against those who oppose our choice, as if the opposition to our choice opposes what is good for the country.

Yes, and there are a number of ways one can go with that. The traditional way, the way that in my opinion is useless, is to demonize the opposition and destroy them, because they are no good.

Another way, the way I think Obama favors, is to look at what both sides have in common and work from there, the desire to do what is best for the nation. I believe that liberals lean in the direction of dissatisfaction with what is wrong with the nation and conservatives are occupied with lot allowing things to get worse. For one change is good and for the other it is bad.

But the truth has nothing to do with change; it's about what kind of change and where. Can we find things both sides want to change, in a common concern for what is best for the nation? Can we begin with the notion of respect that the other side wants what is good too? Can we talk seriously about what is really good and bad as if the cares of both sides were positive?

This is the kind of change I think we need, a change from fighting to working together. It requires that one die to what we've been doing. We have a love for war that may cost us far more than we can imagine.

I totally agree.

and I totally hate that.

 

[dennilfloss]

Go Hillary! Spank them!