PA primary thread

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
Hey, Ron Paul got 16% in PA last night. Very nice.

But the big figure for me was that Republican turnout was scarcely 25% of the Dem turnout, a trend that's been holding more or less in every primary so far.

That's a meaningless figure.

I proved that in another thread. Democrats always have higher turnout in the primaries and in the years they had the biggest turn out lead they actually lost the general election.

This is because high turnout in a primary is a sign of a divided party while low turnout is a sign of a united party. This is also due to the fact that the Republicans tend to rally around the candidate who they think has the best chance of winning and thus ending their primary battles sooner than the Democrats who vote for very different reasons.

Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

if turn-out levels were a big indication of the general election, McCain wouldn't be polling even/winning against both democratic candidates (I think he's also leading in McCain versus Generic Democrat, but that could be wrong)

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

Maybe they are a good many switching to vote in the primary and maybe they're a good many who are fed up with the (R) party and damned near everything about it? I'm one of those (R)'s who switched to (D) and I'm not switching back.

That's fine. As far as I and a lot of other Conservatives are concerned, the RINO's can leave. Unfortunately they didn't leave soon enough and stuck us with McCain.

RINO? Aren't you one of them? A true Republican doesn't support big government and massive deficits. But, here you are, loving Bush and Reagan.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

Maybe they are a good many switching to vote in the primary and maybe they're a good many who are fed up with the (R) party and damned near everything about it? I'm one of those (R)'s who switched to (D) and I'm not switching back.

That's fine. As far as I and a lot of other Conservatives are concerned, the RINO's can leave. Unfortunately they didn't leave soon enough and stuck us with McCain.

Yeah, you may think its fine, until the Republicans start losing elections.

Its the neo-cons the party needs to get rid of.

Well, yes, those too. And if losing a few election is what it takes for the R party to return to Conservative principles - so be it.

And voting for McCain won't help.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

Maybe they are a good many switching to vote in the primary and maybe they're a good many who are fed up with the (R) party and damned near everything about it? I'm one of those (R)'s who switched to (D) and I'm not switching back.

That's fine. As far as I and a lot of other Conservatives are concerned, the RINO's can leave. Unfortunately they didn't leave soon enough and stuck us with McCain.

RINO? Aren't you one of them? A true Republican doesn't support big government and massive deficits. But, here you are, loving Bush and Reagan.

Didn't I just go through this with Vic? Did you not read it? Sheesh.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

Maybe they are a good many switching to vote in the primary and maybe they're a good many who are fed up with the (R) party and damned near everything about it? I'm one of those (R)'s who switched to (D) and I'm not switching back.

That's fine. As far as I and a lot of other Conservatives are concerned, the RINO's can leave. Unfortunately they didn't leave soon enough and stuck us with McCain.

Yeah, you may think its fine, until the Republicans start losing elections.

Its the neo-cons the party needs to get rid of.

Well, yes, those too. And if losing a few election is what it takes for the R party to return to Conservative principles - so be it.

And voting for McCain won't help.

Maybe not.... and thus my dilemma this fall.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: bamacre
And voting for McCain won't help.

Maybe not.... and thus my dilemma this fall.

http://www.lp.org/

 

[ProfJohn]

The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not to mention that the R side has it's nominee so it's only logical that the R voters didn't take time to go. Plus there seems to be a movement of Rs that are switching to D to vote in their primary and will likely switch back(a good many of them).

Maybe they are a good many switching to vote in the primary and maybe they're a good many who are fed up with the (R) party and damned near everything about it? I'm one of those (R)'s who switched to (D) and I'm not switching back.

That's fine. As far as I and a lot of other Conservatives are concerned, the RINO's can leave. Unfortunately they didn't leave soon enough and stuck us with McCain.

RINO? Aren't you one of them? A true Republican doesn't support big government and massive deficits. But, here you are, loving Bush and Reagan.

Didn't I just go through this with Vic? Did you not read it? Sheesh.

No, I just glanced over it. But you loved Reagan do you not? I'm not sure how old you are but he seems like the kind of person you'd vote for. He too raised the deficit to astronomical levels.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

K.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

These are the same conservative judges that want to expand businesses' rights to screw people over while at the same time limiting individual rights, right?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

Plus, with McCain, we get to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.

And if that doesn't prevent them from getting the nuke, we get to invade! Yay!!

:roll:

PJ's "Obama weak on defense" translates to, "Obama won't invade 3rd-world countries that never attacked us."

PJ on McCain, "a strong defense policy," translates to, "a strong offense policy."

:music: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. :music:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

Line 1 - Agreed

Line 2 - MAYBE. Gang of 14? Defense - OK. Taxes? MAYBE

Line 3 - Thus my dilema. Accept milk-toast to prevent liberal disaster or stick tight to my Conservative ideals and teach the GOP a lesson. I'll know by the time I vote

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

You've never had an original thought in your life, have you? Because either you're completely deluded or you just accept without questioning everything you're told by authority.

The fact is that your kind of conservatives do believe that government is the solution to everything, just from a different point of view and you're not willing to pay for it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

Plus, with McCain, we get to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.

And if that doesn't prevent them from getting the nuke, we get to invade! Yay!!

:roll:

PJ's "Obama weak on defense" translates to, "Obama won't invade 3rd-world countries that never attacked us."

PJ on McCain, "a strong defense policy," translates to, "a strong offense policy."

:music: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. :music:

Hey, what wrong with you? Aren't you eagerly expecting the Apocalypse and the Second Coming of Our Savior?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Or McCain with conservative judges, a strong defense policy, the right idea on taxes and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

Plus, with McCain, we get to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.

And if that doesn't prevent them from getting the nuke, we get to invade! Yay!!

:roll:

PJ's "Obama weak on defense" translates to, "Obama won't invade 3rd-world countries that never attacked us."

PJ on McCain, "a strong defense policy," translates to, "a strong offense policy."

:music: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. :music:

Hey, what wrong with you? Aren't you eagerly expecting the Apocalypse and the Second Coming of Our Savior?

The Israeli's are behind with their payments.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges, a weak on defense policy and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

I wish I could take 1 from columns A and C, and a pass on B.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The choices are a liberal Obama with liberal judges

THANK GOODNESS, good judges who will follow the constitution instead of the radical agenda-driven Federalist Society takeover of our nation's courts of your party.

a weak on defense policy

He's not for a weak defense, he's for a strong defense without the waste, corruption, and misuse your party is so guilty of.

Here's a hint: I doubt Obama - or his family - or his closest aide - will be in the world's largest private arms consortium, the Carlyle Group, like Bush has.

and a desire to use the government to 'fix' everything in the country.

Obama wants to use government to fix things it makes sense to use it to fix, not to fix 'everything' - unlike your party, which has no interest in fixing what should be fixed.

The incompetence and negligence of your party in misusing the government for its own looting of the nation is the problem; Obama would return the government to the people.

Or McCain with conservative judges

The aforementioned right-wing radical federalist judges who terribly harm our nation. The Supreme Court itself now has 4 of 9 of these radicals, and countless 5-4 decisions from it.

a strong defense policy

Overusing the military is not strong. Keeping it in Iraq longer than it should be is not strong. Corrupting the military with billions in mispent funds for the crony industry is not strong.

the right idea on taxes

So, you agree with McCain's vote against Bush's tax cut? Who do you agree with?

Regardless, McCain's position IN FAVOR of the BORROWING for lower taxes, skyrocketing the debt, as you want, is fiscal irresponsibility and bad policy.

and the belief that government is not the solution to everything.[q/]

That' Obama's position. McCain's position is not to use the government for what it should be used for.

Your party has spent a century fighting good government - fighting the creation of consumer protections organizations, fighting many civil rights (your party wouldn't have won as it has starting in 1968 without the racist Southern Strategy to exploit the unhappiness of the south with democrats' civil rights bill, as Republicans did to pander to the racists), fighting government assistance for healthcare, fighting social security, fighting education spending, fighting labor rights, on and on fighting programs for the middle class.

McCain may not be perfect, but put the liberals in charge for four years and you'll be wishing you voted for him.

 

[JJChicken]

woah man this thread got derailed bad

guys return to hillary bashing!!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
woah man this thread got derailed bad

guys return to hillary bashing!!

Yeah, lets return to the show. I'll bring the beer. :beer:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We are talking about the same Obama who wants at least $400 billion in additional spending?

Bush has sucked as far as size of government goes, but you have got to be crazy to think the Democrats are going to do a better job and keeping the government small. I don't even see them trying to act like they want a small government. Anyone who votes Democrat solely because they are unhappy with the growth of the government under is an idiot.

Anyone who votes for the guy who is going to continue Bush's war is an idiot.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We are talking about the same Obama who wants at least $400 billion in additional spending?

Bush has sucked as far as size of government goes, but you have got to be crazy to think the Democrats are going to do a better job and keeping the government small. I don't even see them trying to act like they want a small government. Anyone who votes Democrat solely because they are unhappy with the growth of the government under is an idiot.

Anyone who votes for the guy who is going to continue Bush's war is an idiot.

So anyone who votes in the fall is an idiot...

 

[OrByte]

You can't say Obama is weak on Defense when he is clearly pro war against terrorists in Afghanistan.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
We are talking about the same Obama who wants at least $400 billion in additional spending?

Bush has sucked as far as size of government goes, but you have got to be crazy to think the Democrats are going to do a better job and keeping the government small. I don't even see them trying to act like they want a small government. Anyone who votes Democrat solely because they are unhappy with the growth of the government under is an idiot.

Anyone who votes for the guy who is going to continue Bush's war is an idiot.

So anyone who votes in the fall is an idiot...

Wrong

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman at 04/22/2008 12:40 AM

Originally posted by: superstition
College kids are notorious for not following through by actually showing up and voting, by the way.

Exactly. That's why everyone called Obama a fool for wasting so many resources courting college (and even high school) kids in Iowa. His inexperience definitely showed when he made that mistake.

But back to PA. She'll win by 8.9% and she should not get out

Stamp it...

0.3% off :Q

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: b0mbrman at 04/22/2008 12:40 AM

Originally posted by: superstition
College kids are notorious for not following through by actually showing up and voting, by the way.

Exactly. That's why everyone called Obama a fool for wasting so many resources courting college (and even high school) kids in Iowa. His inexperience definitely showed when he made that mistake.

But back to PA. She'll win by 8.9% and she should not get out

Stamp it...

0.3% off :Q

You were off by 3.3%, but surely that is in the margin of error.