Pacific Rim....worthy? or not?

[Aikouka]

*** It goes without saying that this post has spoilers, and I'm too lazy to tag them all. Don't read it if you haven't seen the movie. ***

Considering that the kaju are being developed by ultra advanced beings, and they figured out that EMP's disable the jaegers, they only make one? The entire point is that they are all clones of each other, so its not like every single kaju is insanely unique. They don't just straight up equip every single kaju with EMP's? They make the point that the kaju evolve extremely rapidly and suddently they only ever make ONE emp kaju? Why doesn't the cat 5 have an EMP that insta disables the jaeger holding the nuke? They know it works on it, and they didn't even try it again?

You do realize that you're postulating on the motivations and actions of a fictional inter-dimensional alien race that is capable of creating huge beasts hundreds of feet tall through genetic manipulation, right? Sure, they could have tried to explain some of that unnecessary minutiae, but it's also completely worthless and would have made the movie incredibly droll. There was only one Kaiju that had EMP capabilities; maybe it was a trial run? Who the hell knows? Who really cares? I don't think that was really an issue in the story at all.

This also doesn't answer the point where the kaju for some reason stopped attacking the disabled jaegers, for no reason at all. Such a massive plothole. Its not like they have any qualms about giving the killing blow to already disabled jaegers, as shown when they killed the russians that were already disabled.

Both the Russian and Chinese Jaegars were still running when the pilots were killed. The Australian Jaegar was not operational at all. If I had to guess, it's like an animal and doesn't consider the nonoperational Jaegar to be a threat or an obstacle to carrying out their mission. The only real issue is that it just kind of stood there for a while until it took a flare in the face, and then Gipsy Danger showed up.

 

[Chiropteran]

How. You keep claiming how unique the events and story is with pacific rim. Exactly what about it is so unique versus every other action movie thats come out in the past 5 years. You don't explain it.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

I have explained it, repeatedly, but here it is one more time since you seem to have missed it.


The vast majority of "action" movies in the last few years have been remakes or sequels.

Do you know what a remake is?

Do you know that if you remake something, by definition, the remake is not unique?

 

[sushiwarrior]

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

I have explained it, repeatedly, but here it is one more time since you seem to have missed it.


The vast majority of "action" movies in the last few years have been remakes or sequels.

Do you know what a remake is?

Do you know that if you remake something, by definition, the remake is not unique?

Imagine a remake of Pacific Rim, except instead of terrible acting and abysmal storytelling in the middle they come up with a believable story for our heroes and can create conflict without making abysmal plot holes. That is a remake I would consider original. It would be worlds better than the original.

 

[Codewiz]

I am not going to get into a deep discussion about the movie. When I first saw the previews, I thought the whole idea just looked dumb and stupid.

I put that aside after positive reviews. Yes, the concept is silly. Just like the whole idea of Voltron and Transformers is completely silly. But the movie is highly entertaining and pretty awesome. You turn off your brain and just enjoy the action......

 

[Chiropteran]

Imagine a remake of Pacific Rim, except instead of terrible acting and abysmal storytelling in the middle they come up with a believable story for our heroes and can create conflict without making abysmal plot holes. That is a remake I would consider original. It would be worlds better than the original.

Imagine you are asked what your favorite color is, and you answer "12".

NikolaeVarius was asking why I didn't consider Iron Man sequels, other comic books being made into movies, a remake of star trek 2, or a remade Superman unique movies, and I answered the question.

Whether a remake is unique or not is a simple fact, not open to opinion or interpretation.

The quality of a movie is open to interpretation. In that case you have made your opinion clear, repeatedly, but nobody really cares about your opinion.

 

[Oyeve]

Imagine a remake of Pacific Rim, except instead of terrible acting and abysmal storytelling in the middle they come up with a believable story for our heroes and can create conflict without making abysmal plot holes. That is a remake I would consider original. It would be worlds better than the original.

Did you like avatar?

 

[sushiwarrior]

Imagine you are asked what your favorite color is, and you answer "12".

NikolaeVarius was asking why I didn't consider Iron Man sequels, other comic books being made into movies, a remake of star trek 2, or a remade Superman unique movies, and I answered the question.

Whether a remake is unique or not is a simple fact, not open to opinion or interpretation.

The quality of a movie is open to interpretation. In that case you have made your opinion clear, repeatedly, but nobody really cares about your opinion.

Whether a remake is unique or not is entirely open to your interpretation of what "unique" means and what a movie must be to qualify as unique.

The quality of a movie is open to interpretation and debate. Your opinion, for example, has no real basis besides "it's my opinion and it's right". Nobody really cares about your opinion, because it's not much different than that of an infant with severe ADD. "Robots and monsters are cool awww yeah"

Did you like avatar?

DWW in space didn't really impress me. Innovative use of 3D and CGI, story that came in a prepackaged can.

 

[Chiropteran]

Whether a remake is unique or not is entirely open to your interpretation of what "unique" means and what a movie must be to qualify as unique.

So it's like "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is?"

Given your unique definitions for words commonly understood by others, I don't think there is any useful way to discuss anything further with you.

 

[Howard]

I support free speech.

 

[sushiwarrior]

So it's like "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is?"

Given your unique definitions for words commonly understood by others, I don't think there is any useful way to discuss anything further with you.

Would you trade your personal phone for another phone that is the same model, but has been smeared in feces, has had the screen cracked, only has 1/4 the battery life (due to degradation), and is painted with "I R LOSER" on the back? Well, they're based off the same phone! They aren't unique at all. You should be very happy with your shit stained, poor performing phone.

I hope this lesson can manage to make it through the several feet of thick skull between your eyes and your neanderthal brain.

 

[Zeze]

Would you trade your personal phone for another phone that is the same model, but has been smeared in feces, has had the screen cracked, only has 1/4 the battery life (due to degradation), and is painted with "I R LOSER" on the back? Well, they're based off the same phone! They aren't unique at all. You should be very happy with your shit stained, poor performing phone.

I hope this lesson can manage to make it through the several feet of thick skull between your eyes and your neanderthal brain.

Chiro is reaching the levels of Dari.

How do people like these function in real life? Are they are outcasts in their office? Or do they even hold a proper job?

 

[Raizinman]

Just saw it tonight. It reminded me of those cheap Japanese Godzilla movies. I gave it two thumbs down. Don't go see it.

 

[sushiwarrior]

Chiro is reaching the levels of Dari.

How do people like these function in real life? Are they are outcasts in their office? Or do they even hold a proper job?

Most likely answer: they don't function in real life. Severe lack of social skills leads to internet life taking over real life, and inability to actually think logically ends with constant argument....

 

[Howard]

Chiro is reaching the levels of Dari.

How do people like these function in real life? Are they are outcasts in their office? Or do they even hold a proper job?

Stop dickriding yourself.

 

[blankslate]

Pacific Rim is pretty awesome.

it's what I expected a live action 'Mecha vs Giant Monster movie that is quite open about its anime influences.

And that's a good thing in my book.

as one youtube reviewer said it's the one movie this summer that can get a porno parody and not change the title at all.

 

[dennilfloss]

Sure certain combinations work, but of course the problem is when people claim that the characters are SO UNIQUE and SO MUCH CHARACTERIZATION that I had to step back and realize that people are delusional. Its literally 99% exactly the same, how these characters act, their back stories, people they choose to make friends with, their personalities. And that really took me out, because its not even subtle or anything, its loud and proud about how it has the most generic cast ever.



How. You keep claiming how unique the events and story is with pacific rim. Exactly what about it is so unique versus every other action movie thats come out in the past 5 years. You don't explain it. I gave a nice little summary of how the new star trek and pacific rim basically have the exact same characters, events, and such. You have not given a way that pacific rim is different



You see, your first point isn't an answer to mine. I wasn't pointing out some weird minor flaws or discrepancies. I pointed out major plot issues and inconsistencies that really hurts the movie.

As to your second point, thats one line description. I have a multi paragraph description of the characters, plot, and backstories that are indistingusihable from different movies. that's what I'm talking about. I could literally keep going and continue to write more details that completely match up the movies.

The characters are ALL almost exactly the same, the same types of characters, the same types of interactions, the exact same "character development". You keep saying character development, but there is exactly no development in the movie, outside the "became a bit more nobler" schtick thats been done dozens of times, in the past 5 years.



Considering that the kaju are being developed by ultra advanced beings, and they figured out that EMP's disable the jaegers, they only make one? The entire point is that they are all clones of each other, so its not like every single kaju is insanely unique. They don't just straight up equip every single kaju with EMP's? They make the point that the kaju evolve extremely rapidly and suddently they only ever make ONE emp kaju? Why doesn't the cat 5 have an EMP that insta disables the jaeger holding the nuke? They know it works on it, and they didn't even try it again?

This also doesn't answer the point where the kaju for some reason stopped attacking the disabled jaegers, for no reason at all. Such a massive plothole. Its not like they have any qualms about giving the killing blow to already disabled jaegers, as shown when they killed the russians that were already disabled.

As for the nukes, I'm surprised that the US never bothered using any of those low yield, ultra high penetrating bunker busting nukes. Minimal falloff for a nuclear weapon, and can go through a mile of reinforced concrete. Anyway, the cat 5 only survived because all the damn energy of the blast went into the stupid water. And contrary to what the complete emptying of the ocean would tell you, the nuke they quoted output wasn't that strong, it was actually a piece of shit output wise. think it was like 1 million pounds of TNT, aka 1 megaton. a POS.

1 million pounds of TNT is 1/2000th of a megaton, that is 50 kilotons.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Pacific Rim is the 3rd best movie I've seen this year. Argo and Oblivion are tied for the #1 spot.

Iron Man 3 was not as entertaining as this, and Man of Steel was considerably worse.

 

[Aikouka]

as one youtube reviewer said it's the one movie this summer that can get a porno parody and not change the title at all.

A fan of Jeremy Jahns?

 

[Ancalagon44]

I really dont care if it is unique or not - I care whether it was fun to watch. Some movie and game makers pursue originality and uniqueness, and end up producing massive turds. Pacific Rim may not be unique, but it is not a turd.

I'm also lolling at the Evangelion fanboys who are upset with Pacific Rim. I'm an Evangelion fan myself, having seen the series, but I'm not butthurt that PR is not NGE.

 

[assimilation]

pacific rim = transformers ,similar but a bit darker

 

[Chiropteran]

pacific rim = transformers ,similar but a bit darker

I don't see it that way. Transformers sucked because the robots were supposed to be the main characters but had zero personality, and instead had these idiot humans added in as a worthless subplot to try to add characters. I didn't like it much.

Pacific Rim, the robots are human controlled, and the human characters each have defining characteristics, made it much more entertaining to me.

 

[KIAman]

When I saw the previews for this movie, I had expected it to be more of a "B" movie but watched it with the wife and we both liked it very much, me more than her of course.

We honestly didn't care about the plot holes or character development. This movie wasn't made to be Oscar-worthy obviously, but it reminded us what made movies like the Matrix and Avatar so fun, it was an escape of reality in epic proportions and it had enough cheesy dialog to actually get the crowd to laugh out loud and a lot of those stupid quotes stuck!

Anyways, we're gonna get the Blueray once it releases and it'll go into my special "must watch" section of BD storage.

 

[blankslate]

A fan of Jeremy Jahns?

I think his reviews have personality. But mainly his reviews show up in results for youtube reviews of movies I'm looking for reviews for.

Personally, I think ComicBookGirl19 does better reviews for these types of movies. Or rather I agree with her more often about them.

I also like her digging into the different scripts for Prometheus and her fascination with ASoIaF as well at the HBO GoT series adaptation of it.

Oh and the comic books. I don't read them much anymore but having an overview of current interesting comics is nice too.

 

[Ns1]

Watched it on the airplane. Thought it was ok until the end and then it fell off the rails.

You guys TOTALLY fucked it up for me though - the whole time I was watching all I could think about was NGE. That said, imma go home and watch the entire NGE series again cuz that was the best goddamn anime of all time.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Watched it on the airplane. Thought it was ok until the end and then it fell off the rails.

You guys TOTALLY fucked it up for me though - the whole time I was watching all I could think about was NGE. That said, imma go home and watch the entire NGE series again cuz that was the best goddamn anime of all time.

Or not.

RahXephon was NGE done right.


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Pacific Rim was fun, but for me at least that's partly because I loved the Godzilla / atom monster movies as a kid, as well as Giant Robo / Voyage Into Space.