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Pantlegz

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Squats: 380x5x5
DL: 315x2x5 365x2x5
OH press:155x5x5
pull ups: 6, 5, 3

I didn't realize I forgot prone bridges until after I got home and out of the shower, I might do them later... maybe not. Everything else felt good, should have only added 5lbs to OH press though it was a little heavy. Squatted in my VFF's for the first time and they're awesome 380 didn't feel too heavy until the last few reps in the 5th set. I'll bump up to 385 after my next set at 380.
 
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@SC: sorry, totally missed your response till just today. One thing to point out: when I say "barefoot" running below, I'm also including "minimalist" shoes similar to VFFs. Of course, there is some gray area where the dividing line is between "minimalist" and "regular" shoes, but to generalize, I'd call shoes "minimal" if it's more or less impossible to run heel-to-toe in them (just like it is barefoot).

The problem is this: per 100lbs of body weight, he putting 3-5 extra pounds of force on the major joints of his body. He is likely putting greater amounts of force through the small joints within his feet. Firstly, I'm honestly saying that, at 250lbs, he should rethink running at all - barefoot or not. Individuals that heavy have a severely increased risk of injury.
Whether a 250lbs person can run safely in general, shoes or no shoes, is a totally separate issue. The question to discuss here is if a 250lbs person is safer in "normal" shoes or "minimalist" shoes if they do decide to run.

On top of that, think of how you run barefoot - forefoot strike first, utilizing an eccentric contraction of your gastrocnemius and soleus to slow dorsiflexion and passive tension through the plantar fascia and flexor hallucis longus. In addition, the user puts a massively increased amount of pressure on the metatarsal heads of the foot, a fact overlooked in nearly all barefoot studies. All of these structures, by function, are at increased risk of injury due just to the increased demand. It's sad that research for barefoot running has been so biased as to not produce many objective studies looking at forefoot strike with both shoes and barefoot. In the research I've seen, the pressures for shoes are less (on the met heads) and the overall ground reaction forces are the same... so that means less strain on the plantar fascia, less pressure on the metatarsal heads, etc if you can run correctly. I'm going based off of anatomy that I know will be reported in research soon enough. If I had the resources, I would honestly measure it myself. Look at the anatomy - it may change your mind.
Here's my problem with this type of thinking: if there are increased forces/pressure on certain parts of the foot (which is to be expected, to be honest), this does not automatically mean injury. Sure, if someone jumps in and runs 10 miles barefoot their first time, an injury is very likely. But if you build up to it gradually and allow the corresponding tissues and muscles to adapt, your threshold for injury is likely to be significantly higher. It's like saying that a 300lb deadlift is dangerous because of the pressure it puts on the spine/tissues. If some particularly strong newbie could somehow come in and deadlift 300lbs their first time, even with good technique, I'd bet the chance of injury would be high simply because their body doesn't have any of the adaptations for heavy lifting. But someone that worked up to it over months of lifting would do just fine.

In other words, a study that merely comes out and says "barefoot running puts increased pressure on parts of the foot that shod running doesn't" would be neither surprising nor particularly useful. On the other hand, I'd be much more interested in a study that comes out and says "barefoot running significantly increases injury rates over shod running", but somehow I doubt we'll be seeing that any time soon. The key is that there is no perfect solution here: whether you run shod or barefoot/minimalist, injuries will happen. The question is which one keeps the injury rates lower.

Even if there isn't research about barefoot running vs. shod running, there is research about foot abnormalities and risk of injury in normal activities of daily living, which are very low level compared to barefoot running. If he has anything like a rearfoot varus/valgus, forefoot varus/valgus, plantarflexed first ray, or even tibial torsion, he is at an increased risk of injury in daily life. Add BAREFOOT running (in someone who actually needs an orthotic to position them to maintain them out of their end range) and you just keep smashing them through their end range... that stretches structures unnecessarily and leads to pathology.

A few more questions come to mind when I read something like this:

1. Why do so many people have these foot abnormalities (varus, valgus, etc)? Are we all just genetically defective? Or is it because wearing shoes our whole lives has prevented proper foot development? Is it because we aren't active enough in our daily lives?

2. Is there any research that shows either (a) orthotics cure - not merely treat! - the abnormalities above or (b) barefoot running has more of negative impact on such abnormalities than shod running?

3. Disclaimer: the following is totally my personal opinion/rant. From personal experience - my entire family has flat feet & numerous other foot "abnormalities" - I am VERY dubious of the "solutions" proposed by many foot specialists. Orthotics, arch supports, motion control shoes, etc. can be useful in a few isolated cases, but they seem to be prescribed for every foot condition out there. These devices are a crutch and people become dependent on them, keeping many podiatrists happily employed. The real cure, of course, is a lot harder: exercise, PT and strengthening of the under-developed musculature. IMO, there is no way in hell the human species could have survived/evolved to have a totally messed up foot, especially if there is any truth to the "persistence hunting" theories. The fact that so many people believe they need correction for their over-pronating, under-pronating, motion control shoes, orthotics, etc is a sign that something in our environment is screwing up our feet. I'd bet an awful lot of money that shoes & inactivity are the cause. And I'd bet even more money that if people gradually switched to barefoot/minimalist shoes, many of these "foot abnormalities" would suddenly go away on their own.

If you wanna know more about the conditions I listed, go here: http://www.footmaxx.com/uploaded/product_category_pdf/file_22.pdf

It's kinda heavy on the nomenclature, but I think you'll get the info.
Thanks, a nice read.
 
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@SC: sorry, totally missed your response till just today. One thing to point out: when I say "barefoot" running below, I'm also including "minimalist" shoes similar to VFFs. Of course, there is some gray area where the dividing line is between "minimalist" and "regular" shoes, but to generalize, I'd call shoes "minimal" if it's more or less impossible to run heel-to-toe in them (just like it is barefoot).


Whether a 250lbs person can run safely in general, shoes or no shoes, is a totally separate issue. The question to discuss here is if a 250lbs person is safer in "normal" shoes or "minimalist" shoes if they do decide to run.


Here's my problem with this type of thinking: if there are increased forces/pressure on certain parts of the foot (which is to be expected, to be honest), this does not automatically mean injury. Sure, if someone jumps in and runs 10 miles barefoot their first time, an injury is very likely. But if you build up to it gradually and allow the corresponding tissues and muscles to adapt, your threshold for injury is likely to be significantly higher. It's like saying that a 300lb deadlift is dangerous because of the pressure it puts on the spine/tissues. If some particularly strong newbie could somehow come in and deadlift 300lbs their first time, even with good technique, I'd bet the chance of injury would be high simply because their body doesn't have any of the adaptations for heavy lifting. But someone that worked up to it over months of lifting would do just fine.

In other words, a study that merely comes out and says "barefoot running puts increased pressure on parts of the foot that shod running doesn't" would be neither surprising nor particularly useful. On the other hand, I'd be much more interested in a study that comes out and says "barefoot running significantly increases injury rates over shod running", but somehow I doubt we'll be seeing that any time soon. The key is that there is no perfect solution here: whether you run shod or barefoot/minimalist, injuries will happen. The question is which one keeps the injury rates lower.



A few more questions come to mind when I read something like this:

1. Why do so many people have these foot abnormalities (varus, valgus, etc)? Are we all just genetically defective? Or is it because wearing shoes our whole lives has prevented proper foot development? Is it because we aren't active enough in our daily lives?

2. Is there any research that shows either (a) orthotics cure - not merely treat! - the abnormalities above or (b) barefoot running has more of negative impact on such abnormalities than shod running?

3. Disclaimer: the following is totally my personal opinion/rant. From personal experience - my entire family has flat feet & numerous other foot "abnormalities" - I am VERY dubious of the "solutions" proposed by many foot specialists. Orthotics, arch supports, motion control shoes, etc. can be useful in a few isolated cases, but they seem to be prescribed for every foot condition out there. These devices are a crutch and people become dependent on them, keeping many podiatrists happily employed. The real cure, of course, is a lot harder: exercise, PT and strengthening of the under-developed musculature. IMO, there is no way in hell the human species could have survived/evolved to have a totally messed up foot, especially if there is any truth to the "persistence hunting" theories. The fact that so many people believe they need correction for their over-pronating, under-pronating, motion control shoes, orthotics, etc is a sign that something in our environment is screwing up our feet. I'd bet an awful lot of money that shoes & inactivity are the cause. And I'd bet even more money that if people gradually switched to barefoot/minimalist shoes, many of these "foot abnormalities" would suddenly go away on their own.


Thanks, a nice read.

The analogy you make is sensible, but doesn't translate well to running itself. Running tends to be endurance related, requiring thousands of reps just to complete a few measly miles. Therein lies the difference. Sure, people's bodies will accommodate, but the likelihood of overtraining is much greater with a sport like running. People tend to run almost every day. Instead of a constant buildup of material to deal with the new stresses, they are actually weak in their compressive and tensile tissues due to the lack of time to build back up. This is why runners, barefoot and shod, get so many stress fractures, Achilles tendonitis injuries, shin splints, etc. It's very rare that someone deadlifts every single day, but extremely common for people to run every day.

The thing is that these forces are measured on one step. With thousands of steps, even a small increase in force becomes a big deal. This is where forefoot running comes in. It decreases ground reaction forces quite a bit and, in all likelihood, decreases the chance of injuries (especially stress fractures). On top of this, shoes have shown to reduce ground reaction forces as well - mostly with heelstrike conditions. In all honestly, I believe stresses at the forefoot will be decreased to a significant level as well, but there isn't research showing that yet. The difference, however, is that the raised heel of the shoe reduces dorsiflexion range of motion required, reducing extensive strain on both the medial arch and Achilles tendon. Since most people don't have proper dorsiflexion range of motion, they substitute by everting the weightbearing foot, resulting in lengthening of the arch, increasing the risk of plantar fasciitis.

To answer your questions:

1) Normal is the mean. As in everything related to population and bell curves, there is significant deviation from what is normal. These foot conditions can range from minor to severe, but all affect the way someone shock loads with running. The problem isn't that neutral for the subtalar is in a different place, the problem is that we have to set the bottom of our foot down. Because of this, many individuals will stay in their end range of motion, stretching out tissues that should be tighter. This leads to laxity, leading to instability and frequently injury or degeneration.

Also, these deformities are developmental in nature. They don't have anything to do with the footwear worn (unless your feet have been bound). You can get similar deformities at the tibia and femur - it's just a developmental issue.

2) Orthotics cannot modify an intrinsic factor that has developed in utero. The placement of the bone is permanent - not even surgery has good ways to correct them. This is like asking if crutches heal a paraplegic. Can they make the individual walk on his/her own? No. Can they keep the individual mobile while reducing chance of injury? Yes.

Also, since barefoot running research is pretty limited, I haven't see any articles addressing anatomical foot variation and barefoot running. However, there are hundreds of research studies on foot deformities and walking... and the incidence of injury, etc. As a whole, individuals with these foot deformities have a higher risk of pain or pathology just with walking. It's pretty safe to say that running will stress the pathological structures more than walking.

3) I used to very much believe what you're saying. However, I've learned quite a bit differently since I've begun physical therapy school. The musculature that maintains the ability to stabilize in the frontal plane (i.e. the everters and inverters) is extremely weak compared to the forces withstood at the subtalar joint. The inverters (which can resist excessive eversion in individuals with rearfoot or forefoot varus) can only generate about 8% of the force of the plantar flexors. Plantar flexors are strong enough to keep the ankle out of dangerous ROMs. The everters can only generate about 4% of that. These muscles cannot be strengthened so much to avoid extreme ROMs while walking, let alone running. I can find research supporting that, if you'd like. There have been some studies showing that physical therapy of all sorts (conservative and aggressive) is ineffective at treating these conditions. We can treat injuries related to these conditions and prevent injury by molding orthotics for individuals. With those two actions, related injuries are frequently cured for life.

To be perfectly honest (although you likely won't agree), I believe research has shown the surfaces that we run on and the frequency with which we train are the two most different factors nowadays. Harder surfaces lead to greater and quicker force transmission to the skeleton and elastic structures. Compromised shock absorption in people with foot deformities contributes to a great deal of injuries. On top of that, tribes didn't tend to run game down daily. They did it much less frequently and likely rotated through individuals within the tribe. And again, the surface was many times softer and more absorptive.
 
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The analogy you make is sensible, but doesn't translate well to running itself. Running tends to be endurance related, requiring thousands of reps just to complete a few measly miles. Therein lies the difference. Sure, people's bodies will accommodate, but the likelihood of overtraining is much greater with a sport like running. People tend to run almost every day. Instead of a constant buildup of material to deal with the new stresses, they are actually weak in their compressive and tensile tissues due to the lack of time to build back up. This is why runners, barefoot and shod, get so many stress fractures, Achilles tendonitis injuries, shin splints, etc. It's very rare that someone deadlifts every single day, but extremely common for people to run every day.
I agree that weight training is not a perfect analogy (side note: it actually is possible, though not common, to lift almost every day, such as the regimes of some advanced o-lifters), but you don't have to go far to find a better one: for example, someone with tremendous conditioning (say, a rower) shouldn't run a marathon their first time out doing a long run. Even with good technique, their tissues/joints/muscles just aren't prepared for that sort of abuse and an injury is likely. My point is simply that the body always adapts to training and that an injurious force for one person is not necessarily a problem for someone with more training/adaptations.

Also, these deformities are developmental in nature. They don't have anything to do with the footwear worn (unless your feet have been bound). You can get similar deformities at the tibia and femur - it's just a developmental issue.
Any studies on this? From anecdotal experience, the percentage of people with foot abnormalities seems exceptionally high. Either my personal experience is out of whack or a huge percentage of people never evolved to run, which strikes me as going against common sense and evolutionary evidence.

These muscles cannot be strengthened so much to avoid extreme ROMs while walking, let alone running. I can find research supporting that, if you'd like. There have been some studies showing that physical therapy of all sorts (conservative and aggressive) is ineffective at treating these conditions. We can treat injuries related to these conditions and prevent injury by molding orthotics for individuals. With those two actions, related injuries are frequently cured for life.
My personal experience tells me otherwise - that many of the abnormalities people (including my own) are overcome with regular exercise - but if you have the studies easily available, I'd probably learn a lot from seeing them.

To be perfectly honest (although you likely won't agree), I believe research has shown the surfaces that we run on and the frequency with which we train are the two most different factors nowadays. Harder surfaces lead to greater and quicker force transmission to the skeleton and elastic structures. Compromised shock absorption in people with foot deformities contributes to a great deal of injuries. On top of that, tribes didn't tend to run game down daily. They did it much less frequently and likely rotated through individuals within the tribe. And again, the surface was many times softer and more absorptive.
In terms of surface hardness, I've seen research on this that goes both ways. For example, this article discusses many studies that show that surface hardness did not increase forces because humans - all animals, really - seem to subconsciously adapt their stride to the surface. As for running frequency, we can only guess. IIRC, "Born to Run" seems to indicate that running was a very frequent activity for the Tarahumara tribe and that they would do extremely long, multi-day runs just for fun. Of course, who knows how representative they are of "ancient man", but they seem to handle ultra-marathon mileage over treacherous terrain in minimalist shoes w/ little to no injuries. But even if they are an outlier, I'd guess that the "average" person could handle several orders of magnitude less mileage w/o injury.
 
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Squats: 380x5x5
DL: 315x2x5 365x2x5
OH press:155x5x5
pull ups: 6, 5, 3

I didn't realize I forgot prone bridges until after I got home and out of the shower, I might do them later... maybe not. Everything else felt good, should have only added 5lbs to OH press though it was a little heavy. Squatted in my VFF's for the first time and they're awesome 380 didn't feel too heavy until the last few reps in the 5th set. I'll bump up to 385 after my next set at 380.

Why do you do two sessions at the same weight before moving on?
BTW, it's amazing you're still on a beginner program (and doing 5 sets across!) at such a heavy weight! Keep up the great work.
 

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Why do you do two sessions at the same weight before moving on?
BTW, it's amazing you're still on a beginner program (and doing 5 sets across!) at such a heavy weight! Keep up the great work.

I'm just working on my grip really, I did 2 sets with little rest between them, rested a bit added some weight and did 2 more sets with just a little weight. I still need to see if the gym has issues with chalk, that would help quite a bit.

I've been thinking about changing the program up, but for now it's still working. I think my squat may be close to plateauing but all my other lifts I feel like I've got a some room for improvement.
 

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Squats: 385x5x5
Bench: 245x5x5
Lat pulldowns:170x3x10
DL: 225x3x10
GHR: 50x3x8

Felt like shit today, not sure what it was but something was off. Everything felt heavy and I just wanted to leave but I managed to push through it. My weight is down to 246 as of yesterday before MMA.
 

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3 hours of MMA tonight, I'm bad about logging my MMA for whatever reason. Just drilled some stuff from side control then rolled for about an hour. Then worked on striking, I REALLY need to focus on it more 5 min line drills jabbing and my arm was on fire. Managed 3 rounds and some basic defense then called it a night.
 

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Squats: 380x5x5
DL: 315x2x5 365x3x5
OH press:145x5x5
Bent over row: 45x1x10, 135x3x10
pull ups: 5, 4, 4

My arm is killing me after this work out, I think it's the pull ups and the bent over rows didn't help it any. I'm gonna talk to my PT tomorrow because the stuff we've been doing isn't fixing it apparently. Other than that everything felt great, maybe one more set of 380 squats then I'll bump it up. Bent over rows were mostly to work on form, I'll probably have to drop the weight some because those sets were.. well ugly. They looked like a mix between bent over and Yates. I'll look at some more videos and if I still can't figure it out I'll see if I can find someone at the gym to give me pointers.
 
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Squats: 380x5x5
DL: 315x2x5 365x3x5
OH press:145x5x5
Bent over row: 45x1x10, 135x3x10
pull ups: 5, 4, 4

My arm is killing me after this work out, I think it's the pull ups and the bent over rows didn't help it any. I'm gonna talk to my PT tomorrow because the stuff we've been doing isn't fixing it apparently. Other than that everything felt great, maybe one more set of 380 squats then I'll bump it up. Bent over rows were mostly to work on form, I'll probably have to drop the weight some because those sets were.. well ugly. They looked like a mix between bent over and Yates. I'll look at some more videos and if I still can't figure it out I'll see if I can find someone at the gym to give me pointers.

Wait a second - you're doing overhead press, rows, pull-ups, deadlifts, etc - and it's the PT's fault that you're not progressing? It's very, very likely that these movements are interfering with your therapy. Does your PT know what you do at the gym? When a patient doesn't progress normally, the gym sessions are the first thing to go to control for outside factors. You don't know how many patients I've seen say they're not getting better, but still continue symptomatic exercises at the gym. Drop the gym, do the PT only. If that doesn't work, then then it's time to re-evaluate.

I don't mean to sound frustrated, but I've seen patients say that PT doesn't work when in actuality it was their lack of compliance that was hindering progress.
 
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Wait a second - you're doing overhead press, rows, pull-ups, deadlifts, etc - and it's the PT's fault that you're not progressing? It's very, very likely that these movements are interfering with your therapy. Does your PT know what you do at the gym? When a patient doesn't progress normally, the gym sessions are the first thing to go to control for outside factors. You don't know how many patients I've seen say they're not getting better, but still continue symptomatic exercises at the gym. Drop the gym, do the PT only. If that doesn't work, then then it's time to re-evaluate.

I don't mean to sound frustrated, but I've seen patients say that PT doesn't work when in actuality it was their lack of compliance that was hindering progress.

My PT does know what I've been doing in the gym and she said it would be ok, just stop if it starts hurting. So far I've gotten some sort of steroid put on a pad and placed by my elebow, hooked up to a machine that runs current to it and grounds another pad that is placed by my wrist and it pulls the steroid through with the current or something and some very, very basic stretches. Typically my trips last about 15 min and most of that is the electric steroid thing, she did test my grip strength and that came out at over 130lbs per hand. The treatments do help, the pain isn't nearly as bad as it was and doesn't happen all the time which is nice but it doesn't seem like much is being done, to me.
 

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Squats: 380x3x5, 225x1x18
Bench: 245x3x5
Lat pulldowns:170x3x10
reverse crunches: 3x12
GHR: 50x3x8

My SI joint was stiff this morning so I dropped the squat sets down 3 sets rather than 5, then figured I'd follow suit with bench. Everything else felt good, my arm is bothering me a little now but while I was lifting it didn't. Gonna schedule more PT apts Monday. I;m thinking about making Sunday more of a volume/deload day since I only have 1 off day a week, should help build my endurance that I need badly. Good idea, bad idea? Suggestions?
 
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My lower back is killing me, I doubt I'll be doing MMA tonight. I was lucky enough to get an apt for a sports massage today so hopefully that makes everything better, even if it does I may take the night off and just let everything rest.
 

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Squats: 135x1x5 225x1x5 315x1x5 365x5x5
DL: 225x3x10
OH press:145x5x5
pull ups: 5, 5, 4
prone bridges: 3x90seconds

My back was still a little sore so I warmed up a little with my squats to make sure I didn't overload myself, probably could have done 380 again but didn't want to push it too much. Also went light on DL's for the same reason, feeling a little stiff but not too bad. I'll probably be back in full swing Thursday as long as I don't kill myself in MMA tomorrow night.
 

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My back it's not the greatest but it's getting some decent definition... just need to drop some fat now.
 
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My PT does know what I've been doing in the gym and she said it would be ok, just stop if it starts hurting. So far I've gotten some sort of steroid put on a pad and placed by my elebow, hooked up to a machine that runs current to it and grounds another pad that is placed by my wrist and it pulls the steroid through with the current or something and some very, very basic stretches. Typically my trips last about 15 min and most of that is the electric steroid thing, she did test my grip strength and that came out at over 130lbs per hand. The treatments do help, the pain isn't nearly as bad as it was and doesn't happen all the time which is nice but it doesn't seem like much is being done, to me.

Sigh. Your PT is not doing enough to help you. Has she told you what your official injury is? It sounds like she works at a HUMer clinic (heat, ultrasound, modalities dominant) where there's not enough focus on manual therapy and specific exercises.
 

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Sigh. Your PT is not doing enough to help you. Has she told you what your official injury is? It sounds like she works at a HUMer clinic (heat, ultrasound, modalities dominant) where there's not enough focus on manual therapy and specific exercises.

Not really, she said my general practitioner said it sounded like over use/tendinitis... After I explained to each of the that the original injury was about a year ago and I didn't use it much for quite a while. It's a place affiliated with our local hospital, they do PT stuff there but I've gotten some general bs treatment. I mean it does help some, as long as I keep going. If I don't get anywhere in the next week or so with her, I'll try to get in with a sports dr that works in the same office as my general and see if they might actually be able to get something done, rather than call it tendinitis and tell me to just stop using it when it starts hurting.
 
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Not really, she said my general practitioner said it sounded like over use/tendinitis... After I explained to each of the that the original injury was about a year ago and I didn't use it much for quite a while. It's a place affiliated with our local hospital, they do PT stuff there but I've gotten some general bs treatment. I mean it does help some, as long as I keep going. If I don't get anywhere in the next week or so with her, I'll try to get in with a sports dr that works in the same office as my general and see if they might actually be able to get something done, rather than call it tendinitis and tell me to just stop using it when it starts hurting.

Well, it's ok if it's tendonitis... the problem is nothing is being done about it. Is it triceps tendonitis? Or is it lateral or medial epicondylitis? Either way, if your muscles are tight, they need to get soft tissue done on them to reduce the tension in the muscle (which is adding stress to your injury). After that, you need to do progressive, specific strengthening exercises. Also, if your tissue is too short, it needs to be stretched. Everything else (like meds, patches, etc) is just a smoke screen that won't actually solve the problem. It will just address it momentarily.
 

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Made it back to MMA tonight, my back is still a little sore but I was able to do the whole 1.5 hours of rolling. Striking was canceled because most of the guys have fights this weekend so not many people were around to train.

Weight 242.5 - I was suprised by this because I didn't eat that great over the weekend, but I'm not going to complain. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't move much next week.
 

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Well, it's ok if it's tendonitis... the problem is nothing is being done about it. Is it triceps tendonitis? Or is it lateral or medial epicondylitis? Either way, if your muscles are tight, they need to get soft tissue done on them to reduce the tension in the muscle (which is adding stress to your injury). After that, you need to do progressive, specific strengthening exercises. Also, if your tissue is too short, it needs to be stretched. Everything else (like meds, patches, etc) is just a smoke screen that won't actually solve the problem. It will just address it momentarily.

I made more apt with her for next week, I'll double check on the exact diagnosis and see what we're going to do. I know the treatments are treating symptoms not the problem, which is why I wasn't happy with her and the whole process because nobody seems to care or look into it, it's just oh yea it's no big deal/general diagnosis. If I don't get anywhere I'll see about getting in with the sports dr and hope I have better luck there.
 

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Squats: 225x1x15, 385x5x5
Bench: 245x5x5
Lat pulldowns:170x2x10 150x1x10
reverse crunches: 36
Bent over rows: 135x3x15

I did bent over rows today because I saw someone doing them and wanted pointers on my form, they were nice enough to help me out a little. I still need to work on it, but it's getting better. I wont add weight until I'm happy with them, I'll also be sure not to do them before lat pulldowns because it kills them. Other than that everything felt good, 385 squats were smooth and didn't struggle at all, lets hope I can keep this progression up while I'm cutting only 20lbs from my squat goal for the year. I'll also add weight to my bench press next week.
 

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Squats: 225x10 385x5x5
DL: 225x1x5 315x1x5 385x1x5
OH press:145x5x5
GHR: 50x3x8
pull ups: 5, 5, 4
prone bridges: 3x90 sec

My lower back hated the gym today but I needed to make up the GHR's from Thursday. Squats still felt really strong, I've noticed a slight lightheaded feeling through all my reps lately. It's not like I'm going to pass out, just kind of strange. Its almost like my legs are taking all the blood from my brain, but it doesn't seem to be effecting my lifting. Everything else went as expected, DL's were a little rough on my hands without chalk at 385 though, luckily the gym will allow me to bring my own chalk in as long as I don't make a mess with it
 

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So I'm getting concerned with my weight loss, I'm down to 236. The scale was all over the place(230-250) all 3 times I got on it but every time it evened out at 236. Thats 1lb+ a day for the last 5 days and I'm easily eating 3500-4500 calories a day. Luckily I haven't dropped any strength but this can't be healthy... I'll weigh in again later this week and see if it was just an off day.

Only did an 1.25 hours of MMA today I tweaked a muscle in my back last Thursday and managed to irritate it again today, no biggie I just didn't want to push myself too hard and actually be hurt.
 

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Squats: 225x1x10 385x5x5
Bench: 245x5x5
Lat pulldowns:170x3x10
reverse crunches: 3x12
GHR: 50x3x8

I came up with a little too much force on my third set and kinda bounced the weight up top. My right knee let me know it wasn't too happy about that but I was able to finish the last 2 sets without issues. Bench was pretty easy this week, I'll move it up to 250 next time. Adding weight to GHR's too even though my lower back hates 50. I'll try heavier lat pulldowns too because they weren't hard at all either, actually everything went great today, aside from the knee thing.
 

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Squats: 225x10 395x3x5(failed) 315x2x5
DL: 225x1x5 315x1x5 385x1x5
OH press:145x5x5
pull ups: 5, 5, 5
prone bridges: 3x90 sec

I knew better than doing 395 today but I did it anyway, did ok and if I were feeling ok it wouldn't have been an issue. I've been out of it all day, just 0 motivation and I was very crunched for time so I might not have rested as much as I should have between sets, failed on #5 of set 3. I just dropped the weight down to 315 and did a few sets. I almost called it a day then but decided to push on. My arm is also bothering me along with the left side of my back and my right ankle... damn I sound like I'm falling apart. None of it is too bad, just irritating. Hopefully I'll just do MMA tonight and then take a few days off and see if that helps any.
 
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