Pat Burrell

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Perknose

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Yeah, Ibanez's contract is a HUGE head scratcher on a NUMBER of levels. I didn't know him, so when they first signed him I figured, well, at least the defense will be better. But when I saw that THAT was hardly true, salty tears graced my soft pretzel, which, ironically, made it even more delicious!

I have ZERO faith in Ruben Amaro, Jr.

My Dad once met his father (and former Phillies reserve SS) years and years ago, at some civic leaders banquet. He got to talk with him, and liked him, fwiw.


Edit: Touching on the ever improving errrr, field of fielding metrics, MrBaseball, here's a fascinating excerpt that I think you'll enjoy if you haven't already stumbled upon it (2008 book just came out.)

Oops, mouse over to Fielding Bible Excerpts, scroll down to Jeter vs. Everett and enjoy.
 

Agentbolt

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Firstly, Philly fans are the worst. I've been to a Phillies and an Eagles game, and you'll never meet a more bitter and angry group of people. It's like they don't even enjoy being sports fans, they're forced into it or something.

Having said that, Pat Burrell was a REALLY frustrating player to watch. He had tons of talent but never seemed willing to put in the extra effort to take that next step. He was also the kind of guy who'd swing on a pitch to first base to check the runner, which can get old after awhile.

Gee, you sound bitter and angry. :laugh:

First, you give Pat more credit than you should in terms of natural talent. Hitting major league pitching is FAR harder, even for the most accomplished of athletes, than it might look. Just ask Michael Jordan, who could hardly crack .220 against MINOR league pitching.

Burrell is a classic "three true outcomes" power hitter -- walk, strike-out, home-run. He averages close to 30HR and 100 rbi per season. How many of the ELITE athletes in these MAJOR leagues have been able to do THAT? Are there even as many as 10 now playing?

But, yeah, he has major holes in his game. Sometimes he has "disappeared" for a full half a season (last year) or, one time, an entire YEAR. Again, hitting major league pitching is NOT that fucking easy!

As for his fielding, well, yeah, overall, because of his shot knees on top of never having turf covering speed of any kind to begin with, he's an overall liability.

BUT, one guy here said he got tired of seeing balls pop out of his glove. That's selective memory, if Pat Burrell can actually get to a ball, he not only catches it, but knows what to do with it, which is why he has REGULARLY been in or near the top 5 in the league in assists. He . . . throws . . . out . . . runners.

If you watched him regularly (I did), you'd also know that he dead nuts knew how to play the ins and outs of the left field wall, positioning his lumbering self perfectly before hand for the caroom and then often being able to one hand/bare hand the ball, and in one strong and fluid motion, laser throw it back to the CORRECT guy, be it the cut-off man or the right base.

Note: Nevertheless, he was a liability as an outfielder. His knees are shot.

But I have save the most important for last: Your false impression that Pat Burrell doesn't or didn't (at times) care. THIS IS PATENTLY UNTRUE. People's impression of Pat suffered because he's a true "old school" ball player, one who tries to NEVER let his emotion show.

I call that the Mike Schmidt syndrome. Mike Schmidt is recognized as the greatest third baseman in the history of the game, but HE never got his full due while playing in Philly because he, too, always kept his emotions in check.

Pat Burrell cared, he always cared, but he kept that stuff bottled up inside of the old school shell, which developed over the years and decades of baseball becuase they play 162 mother fucking games each year (used to be 154, shoot me)! You can't get too high or too low or it would KILL you in the long run, it would exhaust you emotionally. That's its genesis.

But, man, I'm hear to tell you, YOU COULD ALWAYS SEE the HURT and repressed emotion in Pat Burrell's eyes. The poor bastard was giving himself a goddam ulcer keeping it all in.

And yet, he was almost always amongst the FIRST off the bench to congratulate a teammate on his success. PAT . . . BURRELL . . . CARED.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, calm down Perk. I watch a lot of baseball too. I clearly didn't see as much Pat Burrell as you did, but from what I saw he reminded me a lot of Keith Foulke or JD Drew: Guys who had a lot of talent, and were able to cruise and put up good numbers, but never seemed willing to do the extra work to become superstars.

Maybe he suffers from Mike Schmidt syndrome or whatever, that's fine. The fact that he took out the full page ad for a bunch of Phillies fans (the same people who used to regularly boo Billy Wagner for failing to hit 100 on the radar gun) shows he's a classy guy, absolutely.

I'm just giving my 2 cents on what I saw as a player. Great eye, great power, Jim-Thome like approach at the plate, but also had a bad habit of turning into Neifi Perez at the plate for extended stretches. And when he did that, from what I understand (granted, I'm not IN Philly so my information is third hand) he tended to get pissed off and sullen and refuse to change his approach at all.

edit: There are plenty of players, incidentally, that manage to keep a good attitude over the course of an entire season. And MOST of them show at least some emotion (good or bad) more than Burrell ever did. If it's "impossible" to not keep your emotions bottled up over the course of a season, you should tell guys like Derek Jeter, Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon, Billy Wagner, Bret Saberhagen, John Smoltz, and the dozens of other guys I could name who leave no room for interpretation that they love the game.
 

sjwaste

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Please. Pat Burrell cared. He was a class act in every sense of the word, he put his head down and worked.

For a city whose recent history has included such "superstars" as Ricky Watters, Eric Lindros, Terrell Owens, Glenn Robinson, etc. you assholes want to actually call out Pat Burrell and say the guy had no heart?

I think you're just looking for a reason to dump on Philly sports. That's fine, because it's nice to see our teams finally free of those bullshit players. The Flyers are one of the youngest teams in the league, and also one of the best. The Eagles are perennial contenders, even if they haven't put one together yet. The Phillies are... World Fucking Champions.
 
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