Patriot or Corsair?

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JustAnAverageGuy

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Patriot is good stuff.

Originally posted by: rod
Even the newest games will run on 256MB, with 512MB the preffered option. I've seen benchmarks that show the difference between 512MB and 1024MB, and it's never more than 5%.

This was true several years ago. Not today. Window XP by itself needs 256MB to run well.

There IS a performance difference between 512MB and 1GB in memory. Especially games with large maps or big textures. Even if all it does is cut 20 seconds off of the load time, it's an appreciable difference. FPS may not increase, but you can't definitely justify having 1GB.

If you honestly think that 2GB will be standard in 6 to 12 months, you need your head examined.

I agree

1GB improves load times in a lot of things, but I haven't seen anything I'd call choppy (although I'm talking about Doom 3, FarCry, UT2K4 here -- never tried those other ones with 512MB). I can't help but think the people swearing you need 1024MB have some sort of spyware infestation, or at least something taking up a decent chunk of their memory.

I just played a round of ONS-Dawn with 4 bots. Total memory usage was around 800MB.

Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
Neither, get OCZ VX value ram. Or VX gold DDR500 if you have the money.
The VX gold DDR500 2-2-2-8 @ 3.5v is the fastest memory out right now.
But if you don't want the fastest, and just want reliable still, with a good name, then Corsair

3.5V? :thumbsdown: DFI motherboard or OCZ DDR booster.
 

fstime

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He is correct.

Winbound UTT is the new BH-5.

It needs around 3.4V which is nothing because the ram can handle that.

Works like a charm in the DFI NF4.
 

Gerbil333

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Tostada: How can you deny that there's a huge difference between 512 MBs and 1 GB? There is a huge difference in my gaming. Far Cry was choppy and 1 GB solved that. Load times and exit times improved significantly; my 512 MB machines take much longer to do the same things.

No, 2 GB may not be the "standard" for most people in 6-12 months, but for the high-end gamer, it will be. I'd say 512 MB will still be the standard for normal PC users a year from now. Longhorn will probably make 1 GB the standard. But, I am not a typical user. My games are demanding 2 GB whether you believe it or not.

I was under the impression that you compare Physical Memoty (Total) to Peak (under Commit Charge). In which case you've only used up 700mb or so. With that in mind, I can tell you that after I play HL2, Peak is 980mb, Far Cry about 930, even with WC3 its like in 700s. I run other programs in the background like Kazaa and SETI and BitComet and MSN Messenger but still. I'd say 1 gig is a perfect sweet spot for now. By the time 2 gigs is needed, both your cpu and graphics card will be about 2-3 generations behind. Given that AMD is moving to DDR2 and Intel is already there, spending more money for DDR1 ram now isnt that wise in my opinion. Instead put money towards Audigy 2 soundcard, better cooling, faster cpu, faster graphics card, or aside towards a new generation graphics card or a faster larger HDD.

When physical memory is depleted, performance suffers. Sure, I can get by. Games and programs will run alright. However, they won't run optimally. Who cares about the memory architecture? That's no reason to not have enough memory. 256 MBs of PC100 runs a LOT better today than 128 MB of PC100. Back when I used SDR memory, 64 MB-128MB was the standard.

I'm not going to upgrade for at least FOUR years, guys. Therefore, more RAM WILL be extremely beneficial.

BTW, I already have an Audigy 2 ZS and my cooling is great. Most importantly, I've never noticed much of a difference from a $200 CPU and a $300 CPU. More RAM, on the other hand, has always exhibited highly noticeable performance benefits in the future (whereas the 200 MHz CPU does not). I like to stick with $300 video cards because unlike RAM, new versions of DirectX add features and increase video performance in the future. Again, the quantity of RAM matters the most--a new architecture will only be helpful for a new motherboard + CPU. I won't suddenly get more features from adding RAM later as I would with a video card. So, I might as well do it now when prices are so cheap. Plus, I've already said that I won't change mobos for at least four years. After a RAM architecture becomes obselete (PC133, for instance), module prices actually increase. Therefore, I highly doubt it will cost any more now to buy 2 GBs than it would to have 1 GB now and buy 1 GB in two years.

Ja, with little else running, Forgotten Hope pushes the peak to 900. RAM is relatively cheap, why degrade performance by not having 'nuff? Of course, each user must evaluate what is required with Task Manager according to their own usage but modern games do require 1GB to avoid paging.

Right RAM is cheap now.

JustAnAverageGuy: See my comments above about the "standard". I'm not referring to normal PC users, therefore, the standard isn't the same. Also, you need to run at max settings with 4x AA and 16x AF in a 24-32 player onslaught map like I am in order to use up 950+ MBs in under 5 minutes.
 

Gamingphreek

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Corsair hands down. While Patriot is good they are still new.

Also why are you getting low latency RAM. Do you intend on OCing this thing really far. Just get the Corsair Value Ram for 80 bucks. Its unbeatable. Additionally i have had mine up to 230mhz 1:1 on my AXP system.

-Kevin
 

Gerbil333

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Corsair hands down. While Patriot is good they are still new.

Also why are you getting low latency RAM. Do you intend on OCing this thing really far. Just get the Corsair Value Ram for 80 bucks. Its unbeatable. Additionally i have had mine up to 230mhz 1:1 on my AXP system.

-Kevin

I'd go for the Corsair Value 1 GB sticks if they ran at the same timings as the 512mb Value Select does (2.5-3-3-8). However, the 2x1gb TWINX runs at 2.5-3-3-6! 1 GB value sticks are much worse and these kits are actually some of the cheapest I've found besides the 3-4-4-8 sets, which would probably be 5% slower. It's either moderate timings, or a faster CPU. IMO, it makes more sense to go with the slightly faster RAM.

If I were purchasing 2x512 MBs, I'd go for the Corsair Value Select hands down.
 

Gamingphreek

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Oh i completely missed that he wants to go for 2gig.

I would still go with the Value RAM. Zebo has threads up all over the place demonstrating the performance delta between various speeds and timings. Another $100 is not worth it, just get 4x 512mb sticks (2x set of Value RAM) and if you want merely tighten the timings or OC. THere is barely any performance difference between timings and speeds like that. Just make sure to get a Revision E core, that way you can save 3% performance by running in 1T.

-Kevin
 

Gerbil333

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I did consider 4x512 MBs of Corsair Value Select. However, 3% from the higher latency plus 3-5% lost from 2T translates into a larger performance loss. I'd much rather invest in a 2x1 GB set. It'll be much easier on the motherboard (compatibility wise) and will be equivalent to purchasing a faster CPU. I'm planning on a 3200+ Venice.

Good advice :thumbsup: I've been contemplating on this for a while, and up until last week, I thought I was going to go the 4x512 MBs of Value Select. After considering what I wrote about, I'm set on 2x1 GBs of RAM and it's between these two sets.

So, go ahead. Continue claiming I need my head examined. I can afford it, and this will last me longer than any of you expect. I built a new computer for someone last summer and in return they gave me their old system. It consists of an ECS K7S5A with a 1900+ and 2x512 MBs of PC2100. They said that it was built prior to the release of Windows XP (he was a huge Everquest player and needed the RAM). That system still gets the job done today, even in HL2. Thus, I think 2 GB will be a great investment, and I can already utilize it.

Oh, and I almost forgot. t3h l337 n3wb: I don't think that nF4 boards will run with 3 sticks of RAM.
 

Gamingphreek

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You do not have to run with a 2T command rate IIRC. The Rev E (Venice and higher) solve that problem as well as the speed problem.

You will not have that much of a speed dropoff. Additionally 4 sticks usually perform better than just 2. So you MIGHT be looking at a 3% performance delta. Not noticable at all; dont waste your money!!

-Kevin
 

Gerbil333

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The Venice allows 4 single sided DIMMs to run at 400 MHz at 1T. However, it can only run 4 double sided DIMMs at 400 MHz at 2T (Older chips would default to 333 MHz). I'm unaware of any single sided 512 MB DIMMs, so with 4x512 MB sticks, I'd have to run at 2T If it wasn't for that, then I'd easily go for 4 sticks!
 

Gerbil333

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That thread, along with his memory latency thread, influenced my decision. I decided this though:

I did consider 4x512 MBs of Corsair Value Select. However, 3% from the higher latency plus 3-5% lost from 2T translates into a larger performance loss. I'd much rather invest in a 2x1 GB set.
 

Gamingphreek

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YOu are going to spend ~$100 for 6% more performance. Not to mention the fact that you can easily tighten the timings and OC.

-Kevin
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Tostada
If you honestly think that 2GB will be standard in 6 to 12 months, you need your head examined.

Gerbil333 has already made an intelligent and convincing case for his need for 2GB of RAM in his 2:48 AM post of 5-19-05. You think he needs his head examined; I think you need your beak wired shut !!!
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: Battlewaffle
The VX gold DDR500 2-2-2-8 @ 3.5v is the fastest memory out right now.

3.5V?!?!?!

How many motherboards does that even work with? Does it come with an active heatsink on each stick?

ROFLMAO Tostada !!!! That was TOO funny !
 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Gerbil333
...This poll is to give someone a chance to persaude me otherwise. Maybe Patriot will be my new favorite brand of RAM.

I doubt it ! Stick with this advice !

Originally posted by: dukdukgoos
If you're so worried just get the Corsair. Pay extra for your peace of mind.

End of story !

 

Fisher999

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Originally posted by: Fisher999

Your link doesn't work either Zebo ...

Retraction; it's working now; NewEgg is STILL having random intermittent server problems !

Sorry Zebo !
 

imported_michaelpatrick33

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Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
You don't need 2GB RAM yet. If you absolutely MUST get more than 1GB, get 3x512 and add in another stick later when it's necessary. 4x512 will save you a lot of money compared to 2x1024.


Why would he get three 512 sticks and remove dual channel? That isn't to swift.

The Patriot 2gigs is $250 bucks at 2-3-2-5 timings. How is that not an awesome deal, especially if you are not overclocking?
 

Gerbil333

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Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Why would he get three 512 sticks and remove dual channel? That isn't to swift.

The Patriot 2gigs is $250 bucks at 2-3-2-5 timings. How is that not an awesome deal, especially if you are not overclocking?

Yep, the Patriot memory looks like an awesome deal, which is what bothered me. It felt too good to be true. This thread has been up for about two days and I'm going to submit an order within the next hour.

Since the poll has ended up in a tie of 16-16, I'm going to purchase the Corsair because it is listed in the Asus A8N-E's compatibility list and I trust them.

Thanks, guys...even if you do think I'm out of my mind *cough Tostada cough*. I'll post another argumentative thread as soon as the Sonata II arrives and I prepare the remaining choices for my socket 939 system.
 

Tostada

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Originally posted by: Gerbil333
Thanks, guys...even if you do think I'm out of my mind *cough Tostada cough*. I'll post another argumentative thread as soon as the Sonata II arrives and I prepare the remaining choices for my socket 939 system.

Hey, I just think you're crazy because you said 2GB would be standard. I'll probably go from 1GB to 2GB myself in a month just because it's cheap.
 

Gerbil333

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LOL! Alright then, that's essentially what I'm doing too, but I actually will use it now (in a few rare cases).
 

Phamine

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I don't know how 2x1024 runs but I have the 2x512 patriot 2-3-2-5 and I was able to overclock it to 210 at the same timings and at stock voltage of 2.6.
 

Big Lar

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I vote'd for Patriot, as I am running 2 sticks of the 512 xbl here, and they are just great.
 

Gerbil333

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You guys sure dug this thread up. I already purchased the Corsair TWINX2048-3200C2 about 2-3 weeks ago and I'm very happy with it, but I haven't built my new computer yet so I haven't had a chance to see what it can do. I'm going to play the order for my A64 parts tomorrow.
 
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