Patriots vs Chargers

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Deeko
What NE did was over the top. Lets be serious though, NFL players aren't exactly the nicest human beings, so it can be forgiven, even if it was wrong.. However, how can someone say, and I quote, "LT is showing is true colors by being a jackass", as if he is in the wrong for getting pissed about the celebration?

I'd give LT a pass since its understandable that he was emotional. But if he was trying to start a fight because of the patriots actions, then he was being a jackass at that moment. Also don't forget he blamed the head coach for it...:roll:

Yes, he did, and I agree that it was wrong of him to call out the coach. However, I don't think he did anything wrong right after the game. On top of the post game happenings, he had to be frustrated with the game - he played a spectacular game, and they completely underutilized him.

Oh well

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Deeko
No, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Its one thing to celebrate. Its another thing to mock someone's dance after YOU get a big play. But after the game, to celebrate by running out to the midfield logo, pointing at the scoreboard, AND mocking someone's dance? That's purely classless, and LT is absolutely right. Plus, the point is that someone on here was calling out LT for being an asshole for getting upset by it. How does that make him an asshole?

Yes you're right, they should have cake and share their toys after the game. Give me a break, if you can't deal with having your taunts dealt back to you then don't do it in the first place. If you don't think the Chargers did their fair share of taunting/trash talk before and during the game (see: Florance's headbutt. I'm sure he was asking Graham how his day was going), then you're in denial.

EDIT: I'll say I don't necessarily agree with the Patriots mocking the Chargers after the game. But I can understand that if all they have been hearing from them is trash talk and taunting leading to the game and during it, then I understand their reaction. If the Chargers don't like it, my suggestion is to realize that Superbowls aren't handed to you just because you have a 14-2 record and the most pro-bowlers. They EARNED. Stop making boneheaded moves and letting the opponent stay in the game, then they'll have no cause for celebration.

where do you keep coming up with charger players taunting before the game? They never spoke to the media about the Pats. They learned from Brady's BS comments last year. When SD beat them last year, Marty was trying to respect them by saying they were a bit undermanned for that game and Brady spun it that Marty was trash talking. SO Marty said this year he knows that the only thing that cant be misconstrued is no talking at all.

So Stop trying to spin this your way. The Pats won and thats that. Dont make up things to justify anything else.

 

[iRONic]

Originally posted by: Tommouse
Anyone have a youtube or some other link to the end of the game or the LT press conference? I want to see that again, I wanna know what happened, and make my own opinion, not get fed what the talking heads wanna serve up.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p...ebration_was_not_a_hit_with_tomlinson/

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Deeko
No, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Its one thing to celebrate. Its another thing to mock someone's dance after YOU get a big play. But after the game, to celebrate by running out to the midfield logo, pointing at the scoreboard, AND mocking someone's dance? That's purely classless, and LT is absolutely right. Plus, the point is that someone on here was calling out LT for being an asshole for getting upset by it. How does that make him an asshole?

Yes you're right, they should have cake and share their toys after the game. Give me a break, if you can't deal with having your taunts dealt back to you then don't do it in the first place. If you don't think the Chargers did their fair share of taunting/trash talk before and during the game (see: Florance's headbutt. I'm sure he was asking Graham how his day was going), then you're in denial.

EDIT: I'll say I don't necessarily agree with the Patriots mocking the Chargers after the game. But I can understand that if all they have been hearing from them is trash talk and taunting leading to the game and during it, then I understand their reaction. If the Chargers don't like it, my suggestion is to realize that Superbowls aren't handed to you just because you have a 14-2 record and the most pro-bowlers. They EARNED. Stop making boneheaded moves and letting the opponent stay in the game, then they'll have no cause for celebration.

where do you keep coming up with charger players taunting before the game? They never spoke to the media about the Pats. They learned from Brady's BS comments last year. When SD beat them last year, Marty was trying to respect them by saying they were a bit undermanned for that game and Brady spun it that Marty was trash talking. SO Marty said this year he knows that the only thing that cant be misconstrued is no talking at all.

So Stop trying to spin this your way. The Pats won and thats that. Dont make up things to justify anything else.

It has been confirmed by several sources that the Chargers did taunt (see my Florance/Philips) quotes last year after the game. And supposedly they had already planned their trip to the Super Bowl for this year. Also Merriman picking the Jets at halftime of that game. Lastly Reche Caldwell (supposedly) getting trash talk from his old teammates before the game. I'm not saying this is unusual, because I bet it happens often , but don't think the Chargers didn't have an attitude coming into the game.

I say this not because I'm particularly offended, but realize the Patriots used all of these things as added motivation (like they always do). They love feeling "disrespected".

But as one interview I saw after the game of Ben Watson, he said the emotions work well in the 1st qtr, but after that you just settle down and play football.

And overall I agree, I could care less what each team said before the game etc etc, but don't think they don't like to use that as motivation. I personally just care about the final score.

 

[rsd]

By the way, I think it is silly for people to discuss/dwell on such a non-issue really. I'd much rather talk about the game itself and the upcoming AFC championship.

Overall it was a helluva game.

 

[Deeko]

Well, there's another thread about the conference championship already.

This was a very entertaining games to watch if you don't care about either team (like me). Overall, I thought the Chargers should have won and handed the Pats the game on SEVERAL occasions...but hey, its not how you win, its the final score.

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: rsd



It has been confirmed by several sources that the Chargers did taunt (see my Florance/Philips) quotes last year after the game. And supposedly they had already planned their trip to the Super Bowl for this year. Also Merriman picking the Jets at halftime of that game. Lastly Reche Caldwell (supposedly) getting trash talk from his old teammates before the game. I'm not saying this is unusual, because I bet it happens often , but don't think the Chargers didn't have an attitude coming into the game.

I say this not because I'm particularly offended, but realize the Patriots used all of these things as added motivation (like they always do). They love feeling "disrespected".

But as one interview I saw after the game of Ben Watson, he said the emotions work well in the 1st qtr, but after that you just settle down and play football.

And overall I agree, I could care less what each team said before the game etc etc, but don't think they don't like to use that as motivation. I personally just care about the final score.

confirmed by several sources? Thats the part I dont get. Cladwell was a SD cast off so its very easy to see a motive for him to allege that the players were talking bad about them. Thats all speculation.

How do the 3 time super bowl champs ever feel disrespected? More fan cliches.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: rsd



It has been confirmed by several sources that the Chargers did taunt (see my Florance/Philips) quotes last year after the game. And supposedly they had already planned their trip to the Super Bowl for this year. Also Merriman picking the Jets at halftime of that game. Lastly Reche Caldwell (supposedly) getting trash talk from his old teammates before the game. I'm not saying this is unusual, because I bet it happens often , but don't think the Chargers didn't have an attitude coming into the game.

I say this not because I'm particularly offended, but realize the Patriots used all of these things as added motivation (like they always do). They love feeling "disrespected".

But as one interview I saw after the game of Ben Watson, he said the emotions work well in the 1st qtr, but after that you just settle down and play football.

And overall I agree, I could care less what each team said before the game etc etc, but don't think they don't like to use that as motivation. I personally just care about the final score.

confirmed by several sources? Thats the part I dont get. Cladwell was a SD cast off so its very easy to see a motive for him to allege that the players were talking bad about them. Thats all speculation.

How do the 3 time super bowl champs ever feel disrespected? More fan cliches.

Link

As the Chargers left the field, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips let out a whoop and yelled, ?That?s an ass-whupping.?

The next day?s Providence Journal quoted cornerback Drayton Florence admonishing a group of onlookers in the bowels of Gillette: ?(Expletive) New England and their team. Get the look of shock off your faces. Don?t be shocked. We beat your ass.?

Again I could care less personally, but there is your source. The Patriots LOVE to play the disrespected card. Thats just what they do.

So much for cliches. Any questions?

 

[new2AMD]

You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Read the first page of my link, they refer to stuff from this year prior to the game. It's nothing earth shattering but like I said the Patriots LOVE to feel disrespected. Not sure what other proof I can give to elicit anything but a "whatever" from you.

Checkmate!

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Actually the evidence is in the game itself.

The Chargers were clearly undisciplined. Take a look at the personal foul calls they had against them.

It's really not a stretch at all to think that they were doing some taunting before, during, and after the game as well.

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Actually the evidence is in the game itself.

The Chargers were clearly undisciplined. Take a look at the personal foul calls they had against them.

It's really not a stretch at all to think that they were doing some taunting before, during, and after the game as well.

that was not my point. I was referring to the lead up to the game. The week long talk that people were saying was going on and I was saying it wasnt. Trash talk on the field happens and I am not disputing that. The Chargers slef destructed and I will forever have to live with it. Until they grow up and act like pros they will never be taken seriously and it sux. In the end its just a game and I have better things to do, like Root for the Sabres, lol.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Actually the evidence is in the game itself.

The Chargers were clearly undisciplined. Take a look at the personal foul calls they had against them.

It's really not a stretch at all to think that they were doing some taunting before, during, and after the game as well.

that was not my point. I was referring to the lead up to the game. The week long talk that people were saying was going on and I was saying it wasnt. Trash talk on the field happens and I am not disputing that. The Chargers slef destructed and I will forever have to live with it. Until they grow up and act like pros they will never be taken seriously and it sux. In the end its just a game and I have better things to do, like Root for the Sabres, lol.

good god sabres and chargers? i hope not the bills as well.

here's a beer for you :beer:

 

[new2AMD]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Actually the evidence is in the game itself.

The Chargers were clearly undisciplined. Take a look at the personal foul calls they had against them.

It's really not a stretch at all to think that they were doing some taunting before, during, and after the game as well.

that was not my point. I was referring to the lead up to the game. The week long talk that people were saying was going on and I was saying it wasnt. Trash talk on the field happens and I am not disputing that. The Chargers slef destructed and I will forever have to live with it. Until they grow up and act like pros they will never be taken seriously and it sux. In the end its just a game and I have better things to do, like Root for the Sabres, lol.

good god sabres and chargers? i hope not the bills as well.

here's a beer for you :beer:

no bills, chargers obviously. But I do like the blazers and angels and SU orange

2003 was the only good year.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: new2AMD

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: new2AMD
You said taunts before the game. So now you mean from over a year ago? whatever.

Actually the evidence is in the game itself.

The Chargers were clearly undisciplined. Take a look at the personal foul calls they had against them.

It's really not a stretch at all to think that they were doing some taunting before, during, and after the game as well.

that was not my point. I was referring to the lead up to the game. The week long talk that people were saying was going on and I was saying it wasnt. Trash talk on the field happens and I am not disputing that. The Chargers slef destructed and I will forever have to live with it. Until they grow up and act like pros they will never be taken seriously and it sux. In the end its just a game and I have better things to do, like Root for the Sabres, lol.

I will say this: Maybe this was for the best for the Chargers in the sense that they were humbled a bit now. They have as much talent as any team but they need to act like professionals out there. But they are overall young and this can help them learn what it takes. They earned my respect in terms of their talent level, but the reason why football is the best sport is that it is a team game where the sum is more than the collection of the parts.

 

[Phokus]

I'm glad the patriots used the 'lights out' dance to taunt the chargers. Merriman is a worthless steroids using cheater and i hope more teams taunt him with that dance when they beat the chargers.

 

[LeiZaK]

I voted for the Pats, because they won, sadly.

 

[rsd]

I really don't mean to harp on this but I thought it was quite funny.

Here you go in the week before this year's game, Merrimen talking trash:

Merriman: "I'm going to hit Tom Brady right in his mouth, that's it" (around the 1 minute mark)

Any one care to comment on the "classiness" of this?

Again I frankly could care less what they say, but since a lot of people/players/media are really overblowing this I just HAD to post this link.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Brady > *

Even if the Chargers had Jesus playing for them, it wouldn't help.

Honestly, if you had watched the game, you'd know it wasn't Brady who won it for the Patriots.

It was the Chargers who lost it. I don't think I have seen more mistakes in a professional football game, and I am a Panthers fan.

You can say whatever you want about Brady & the Pats, but they managed to stay just close enough to take advantage of the SD mistakes & snatch this game out of the fire.

I watched every play & am a Giants fan btw, so I know the difference between doing just enough to win & doing just enough to lose!

What? I am not even bashing Brady here, but you'd have to be retarded to not see that the Chargers completely fvcked this game up.

In fact, it was amazing the Chargers were even in a position to take it into OT considering all of the mistakes they made.

Oh I completely agree with you ... SD handed this game to the Pats on a silver platter.

I wasn't trying to say you were bashing Brady exactly, but most other teams in the NFL would have lost this game & the Patriots deserve a lot of credit for winning.

We are not on quite the same page here. Yes we agree that SD handed the Pats the game on a silver platter, but I think you're giving the Pats too much credit.

Most other teams in the NFL couldn't win this game when the opponent (being the Chargers) make this many mistakes (and serious ones at that) ? I think not. They had three interceptions from the man himself but did jack ****** any one of them.

I think the NE o-line deserves the most credit for all but completely neutralizing the Chargers pass rush. The obviously prepared well. The Chargers defense was out there far too long and couldn't get pressure or cover well enough to get the job done.

We certainly disagree about some things ... from what I saw the Pats offensive line got man-handled by the Chargers pass rush for most of the game, SD shut down their running game & until Brady went into the shotgun they pressured him into many mistakes he doesn't often make.

There are quite a few specific blunders in this game you could point to & say "theres where SD lost it", but my opinion is that since NE had shown NO ability to stop LT & the running game, perhaps it would have been wise to stick with it & only pass often enough to keep NE's D guessing... from what I saw NE's D was sucking wind from the pounding they were taking, then for some inexplicable reason SD let up on them.

To sum it up (as I said earlier) the decision to move away from the running game when it was working VERY well was what really cost SD this game despite the turnovers, stupid penalties & sloppy play at times ... the Patriots were able to take advantage of this despite playing quite badly themselves and for that I do give them full credit.

What we do agree on is that SD handed NE the game, however you seem to feel that NE taking it when offered wasn't worth much.

I just want to comment about your opinion on the NE OL. I COMPLETELY disagree and will say that they did a FANTASTIC job containing the chargers. The chargers besides Merriman/Phillips blitzed a ton, yet barely got much pressure on brady. I'd give kudos to their lb's and secondary, but the NE offensive line played fantastic.

We'll just have to disagree on this point then ... NE's offensive line did the best they could but they were overmatched & Brady only avoided a bunch of sacks by getting rid of the football quickly & wasn't really effective at all until he bought himself some more time by moving back into the shotgun to make SD's ferocious pass-rush take an extra couple steps.

Edit: Ok ... divisional weekend is now over (for me at least) ... time to talk conference Champinship matchups.

 

[Reckoner]

Here's a good picture of LT after the game

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: jjones
When the Chargers gave up that easy TD to the Pats at the end of the half I felt that if that's the way they were going to play, by letting the Pats hang within a score, then the game would most likely end up going to the Pats in the 4th. Good game though. I wanted the Chargers to win because I hate the Pats, but at the same time, I'm glad it's the Pats playing at Indy next week rather than Indy traveling to SD. Hopefully the Colts D will show up again one more time.

Also, this has been a strange playoffs, at least in the AFC. All these great QB's having subpar games. The various defenses are really playing well and giving the QB's fits.

:thumbsup:

People are saying Manning wasn't good but nobody (that I've seen or heard) is owning up to the fact that he was playing the best defense in the league and in a situation where they were absolutely going all out to stop him. I didn't think he was substandard. I still think he's absolutely the best and most amazing QB in the league.

The Chargers should be embarrassed the way they lost that game. Not losing it, the way they lost it.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Brady > *

Even if the Chargers had Jesus playing for them, it wouldn't help.

Honestly, if you had watched the game, you'd know it wasn't Brady who won it for the Patriots.

It was the Chargers who lost it. I don't think I have seen more mistakes in a professional football game, and I am a Panthers fan.

You can say whatever you want about Brady & the Pats, but they managed to stay just close enough to take advantage of the SD mistakes & snatch this game out of the fire.

I watched every play & am a Giants fan btw, so I know the difference between doing just enough to win & doing just enough to lose!

What? I am not even bashing Brady here, but you'd have to be retarded to not see that the Chargers completely fvcked this game up.

In fact, it was amazing the Chargers were even in a position to take it into OT considering all of the mistakes they made.

Oh I completely agree with you ... SD handed this game to the Pats on a silver platter.

I wasn't trying to say you were bashing Brady exactly, but most other teams in the NFL would have lost this game & the Patriots deserve a lot of credit for winning.

We are not on quite the same page here. Yes we agree that SD handed the Pats the game on a silver platter, but I think you're giving the Pats too much credit.

Most other teams in the NFL couldn't win this game when the opponent (being the Chargers) make this many mistakes (and serious ones at that) ? I think not. They had three interceptions from the man himself but did jack ****** any one of them.

I think the NE o-line deserves the most credit for all but completely neutralizing the Chargers pass rush. The obviously prepared well. The Chargers defense was out there far too long and couldn't get pressure or cover well enough to get the job done.

We certainly disagree about some things ... from what I saw the Pats offensive line got man-handled by the Chargers pass rush for most of the game, SD shut down their running game & until Brady went into the shotgun they pressured him into many mistakes he doesn't often make.

...the Patriots were able to take advantage of this despite playing quite badly themselves and for that I do give them full credit.

....however you seem to feel that NE taking it when offered wasn't worth much.

I feel like we were watching two different games, with the same teams, but in parallel dimensions.

If the NE o-line had truly been manhandled as you say, the Patriots wouldn't have won the game. Brady had enough time at the right times to get the ball out. Sure he was pressured sometimes, but not like many expected. Merriman was effectively taken out of the game.

What you fail to understand is that any team in the playoffs would do everything in their power to "take advantage" of the situation. Many of the teams in the playoffs would be capable of taking the Chargers down when they self-destruct like they did. The Patriots were just lucky to be playing them on that day.

I don't feel that them "taking it" is worth any more than any other playoff team "taking it". This wasn't Brady's magic or even Belichick's super game plan that won it. They won by the skin of their teeth. And we both know that.

 

[Jules]

Anyone got a video of the pats doing the dance? I enjoyed every minute of it.

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
Anyone got a video of the pats doing the dance? I enjoyed every minute of it.

anyone please??