Paul Walker's daughter sues Porsche

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norseamd

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IIRC, when the accident first happened, eyewitness accounts mentioned seeing movement inside while the car was burning, I don't personally know for sure, but I'd hate to think they were burned alive!

IIRC Rogas died instantly while Paul survived the crash but died in the fire. Still no way to tell if his injuries were survivable if someone was to pull him out of the car at the time. What is interesting is that someone was filming the crash while Paul was still alive yet did nothing to try to save him at all. Just kept on filming and then uploaded everything to youtube.
 

Blackjack200

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Am I missing something that indicates how they determined he wasn't killed on impact? I mean looking at the wreckage, it's hard to imagine surviving that.

In the article his daughter's lawyer claimed he breathed soot into his trachea. I have not idea if that's true, and if it is, whether it's meaningful. Like, could soot have gotten into his trachea after he died anyway?
 

disappoint

Lifer
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In the article his daughter's lawyer claimed he breathed soot into his trachea. I have not idea if that's true, and if it is, whether it's meaningful. Like, could soot have gotten into his trachea after he died anyway?

No. Once a person dies they no longer breathe, so they no longer inhale any smoke.
 

z0mb13

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From the article: "Lawyers representing Meadow claim that when the Carrera GT crashed, Walker's seat belt 'snapped Walker's torso back with thousands of pounds of force, thereby breaking his ribs and pelvis,'"

Really I thought seatbelts are supposed to protect you
 

waggy

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amazing that people actually think Porche has any blame in this. just fucking amazing.

This is 100% the fault of the driver. that's it.

though i suspect they will settle.
 

PottedMeat

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amazing that people actually think Porche has any blame in this. just fucking amazing.

This is 100% the fault of the driver. that's it.

though i suspect they will settle.

this.

i guess they timed it so VW/porsche's lawyers were preoccupied with doing damage control on something else
 

Kaido

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From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Walker#Death

On November 30, 2013, at approximately 3:30 p.m. PST, Walker and Roger Rodas, 38, left an event for Walker's charity Reach Out Worldwide for victims of Typhoon Haiyan[46] in Rodas's red 2005 Porsche Carrera GT. The car crashed into a concrete lamppost and two trees on Hercules Street, in a 45 miles per hour (72 km/h) speed zone near Kelly Johnson Parkway in Valencia, Santa Clarita, California, after which the vehicle burst into flames.

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In March 2014, further investigation revealed that the speed of the car was the main reason for the crash. The car was said to be traveling between 80 miles per hour (130 km/h) and 93 miles per hour (150 km/h), and had nine-year-old tires that were seldom driven on.[59]

Root cause analysis:

1. They crashed doing 80 to 93 MPH in a 45 MPH zone (driver negligence)
2. They were driving on 9-year-old tires (owner negligence)

Trying to guess at the motivation for suing Porsche...did she not get an estate inheritance or insurance payout? I mean, if you're going to sue someone, why not sue Tesla for selling a street-legal car that goes 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds? Or motorcycles that can get 160 MPH+?
 

Kaido

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this.

i guess they timed it so VW/porsche's lawyers were preoccupied with doing damage control on something else

Exactly...he died nearly 2 years ago. Why wait so long to sue?
 

waggy

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From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Walker#Death



Root cause analysis:

1. They crashed doing 80 to 93 MPH in a 45 MPH zone (driver negligence)
2. They were driving on 9-year-old tires (owner negligence)

Trying to guess at the motivation for suing Porsche...did she not get an estate inheritance or insurance payout? I mean, if you're going to sue someone, why not sue Tesla for selling a street-legal car that goes 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds? Or motorcycles that can get 160 MPH+?

IF i remember right she did get a inhertance and some of the other actors gave her their paychecks. Also people went online and started a gofund me for her or something.

All in all she shouldn't NEED the money.
 

KMFJD

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IF i remember right she did get a inhertance and some of the other actors gave her their paychecks. Also people went online and started a gofund me for her or something.

All in all she shouldn't NEED the money.

That lawyer needs money though
 

ALIVE

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so lets see
we have a driver that drives illegally above the speed limit and gets killed.
in a road which has a legal limit of driving much much less

of course the cars could do 200+ miles but
because i car can go to that speed does not allow you to drive to that speed

if he used the car in a special road that allows legally the speed he was driving and he crushed the car then we can talk that the car may or not had mechanicals or design flows.

maybe you find a bit of oil form the previous vehicle a small hole in the road that will make you loose control of the car with the speed you are going and lead you to crash

the daughter is trying to exploit the death of her father to milk a company

why not the state sue the daughter for her father reckless and dangerous driving and fine her?? If he had survived he was going to pay a fine
why not the fine is pass over to the people that inherit him??
 

KeithP

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General consensus says that the car is insanely difficult to drive, the driver was very experienced, they were not racing.

No, they were just driving recklessly on the street, traveling well over the legal limit and wrecked. Had they been on an actual race track, do you think the car would have sustained the same kind damage? Not to mention the possibility of better access to emergency crews that I track would possibly offer.

She is just another in a long line of people that see a loved ones death as a winning lottery ticket. I hope Porche fights it and she gets kicked to the curb.

-KeithP
 

KB

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Porche will settle, and she'll get the money she wants.

Porche cannot settle this case. If they do, they will get a new lawsuit every time a car crash fatality occurs in their vehicles.
 

Markbnj

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She is just another in a long line of people that see a loved ones death as a winning lottery ticket.

To be fair, she is a 16 year-old kid who lost her father. There are some adults behind this, probably with "Esq." after their names.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Am I missing something that indicates how they determined he wasn't killed on impact? I mean looking at the wreckage, it's hard to imagine surviving that.


If there's smoke in the lungs they survived the impact and were breathing when the fire started. If they're killed on impact they stop breathing and the lungs don't have evidence of inhaling the smoke.
 
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No, every consensus says that nobody crashes exotic cars unless traveling too fast for their skill level. The driver might have been experienced, but he was not skilled. A skilled driver does not plow a car into a pole on a clear dry road with no traffic or mechanical failure as a contributing factor. The driver was an idiot with more ego than skill. Every consensus says that you don't floor the throttle in a car without knowing how it will react. Every consensus says that when learning a new car you approach the limits slowly and intelligently so that you learn where they are without exceeding them. Every consensus says that you don't drive 90mph+ on a city street where the speed limit is 35mph. Every consensus says that no car is idiot proof and any car can be fatally crashed when an idiot is at the wheel.

I agree to this.
When handled wrong, even driving an original fiat500 can kill you.

 
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Jodell88

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According to the lawsuit -- obtained by TMZ -- lawyers for 16-year-old Meadow Walker claim when the Porsche Carrera GT crashed and broke apart, Paul's seat belt "snapped Walker's torso back with thousands of pounds of force, thereby breaking his ribs and pelvis," and trapping him in the passenger seat.

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Law enforcement said the cause of the crash was speeding -- 80 to 93 MPH -- at the hands of driver Roger Rodas. But the lawsuit says Rodas was only going between 63 and 71 MPH when it careened out of control. And the suit alleges the car would never have careened if it had a proper stabilization system.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/09/28/paul-walker-daughter-meadow-sues-porsche-burned-alive-defect/

A seat belt cannot snap back with "thousands of pounds of force."
 

Lean L

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I agree to this.
When handled wrong, even driving an original fiat500 can kill you.

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I have no problem with blaming the driver for speeding. There's no coming back from the fact that he was going twice the speed limit. People make mistakes. It's a bit easier to wrap a Porsche around a pole compared to most other cars. Not saying Porsche is to blame at all though.

The problem with this whole "let's compare this Porsche to a civic" premise is the fact that it's sensationalization. It's also discrediting the fact that the car is a monster to drive.

That's either here nor there though. Once again, I think this entire case can be decided by the tires.
 
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