PC gamers

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

The best thing about upgrading your PC constantly is that when a game comes out broke, you'll likely get a patch within hours of it being on store shelves if not before it's even out, where as when you have a problem with a game like TF2 on the 360, you have to sit and wait for MS to approve the patch.

I may be sad, but I will play FPS that are available on the PC on the PC first and foremost, and go out of my way to avoid console FPS that would take 17-20 buttons to work efficiently on a PC, but is whittled down to only 8-10 buttons on a console gamepad.

Hotkeys that allow weapon changes on the fly as opposed to being forced to cycle through weapons every time you want to change to something else will always win out in my book. If that's sad, I'll just be sad.

i haven't played a console FPS in years that has a "weapons cycle" button. infact, i can't even remember the last FPS that I played on a console that has one of those buttons where you can carry 143892 different weapons.

Yep - most good console FPSes limit you to two weapons at a time, so its basically just a toggle switch.

Basically, I dont mind dual analog when the game is really created first and foremost as a console game. COD4 plays surprisingly well with dual analog, primarily due to the way it somewhat locks on to an enemy when you pull the L-trigger.

Still, theres no situation in which I wouldnt prefer a mouse, or even a wiimote/nunchuk type controller (as long as it had more buttons).

With any luck, this kind of controller will be standard on the next gen systems:

http://cache.gizmodo.com/asset...8/GyroPod_3Framesb.jpg

Standard analog, motion, IR, split it up, put it together, etc. I'll probably be done with PC gaming for good at that point.

 

[randay]

when i used to play a lot of pc fps i could not play console fps for shit. in fact it used to give me headaches when i tried to for extended periods.

but now that i dont play much pc fps at all, console fps are much more bearable, though i still suck at it, probably because i dont play them that much either. I dont see a problem with eventually adjusting if i really tried and played them more.

 

[oznerol]

I am a PC gamer turned console gamer.

I hate sitting in front of a PC to play games more than I hate sucking at FPS's using my thumbs.

Nowadays I cherish the comfort of reclining on the couch and just playing games - so I usually just compensate for being bad at analog controls by playing my FPS's on easy and have fun with them. I'm not out to win any awards or anything. By doing that, I've become more and more used to the analog sticks for control, and while not great, I can still be decent enough to play multiplayer.

I was an avid TF Classic fan, and TF2 on the 360 is incredible - sans the connectivity issues. I've had 0 control issues playing TF2 on a console, mainly because I like to play classes where precision isn't your biggest asset (engineer, medic, and spy).

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

Sigh.. these age old topics have been discussed, and refuted time and time again. You dont have to upgrade constantly, and you can have your PC hooked up to your TV as well. You can even get the 360 controller for the PC, so its not even an issue at all.

If the industry would just stop being lazy, and include kb/mouse support, everyone would be happy. But no, they have to drag their feet, so annoying.

 

[pyonir]

It's funny, i am a console gamer first...and have trouble on PC games. lol.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

Sigh.. these age old topics have been discussed, and refuted time and time again. You dont have to upgrade constantly, and you can have your PC hooked up to your TV as well. You can even get the 360 controller for the PC, so its not even an issue at all.

If the industry would just stop being lazy, and include kb/mouse support, everyone would be happy. But no, they have to drag their feet, so annoying.

It is refuted because you say so? If you can figure out a way to make my current PC run Crysis at a decent resolution then by all means come on over. The fact of the matter is there is an advantage in having 60fps when your opponent might be playing at 10fps. You don't have to deal with this discrepancy in the console world.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

Sigh.. these age old topics have been discussed, and refuted time and time again. You dont have to upgrade constantly, and you can have your PC hooked up to your TV as well. You can even get the 360 controller for the PC, so its not even an issue at all.

If the industry would just stop being lazy, and include kb/mouse support, everyone would be happy. But no, they have to drag their feet, so annoying.

It is refuted because you say so? If you can figure out a way to make my current PC run Crysis at a decent resolution then by all means come on over. The fact of the matter is there is an advantage in having 60fps when your opponent might be playing at 10fps. You don't have to deal with this discrepancy in the console world.

Its refuted, due to common sense. Someone tried to claim in this thread, that you needed a $400 card, every six months. Which is not true. And a new PC every year. Which is not true. Crysis is by far the exception, and not the rule. TF2 plays well in PC's that are several years old.

And yes consoles keep everyone even as far as frames go. I never said they didnt? What I refuted (again) is that you dont need to upgrade "constantly", and that you can use your PC in your living room too. Even with the same 360 controller. My PC is getting long in the tooth, cause I was deployed and havent upgraded since Ive been back. It was top of the line before I left, and I can enjoy every game out there, except Crysis at 1920x1200 my native res. I could spend some cash and get a newer video card, and be good to go. Ive not bought one in two years either. Or anything or that matter, thats hardly "constantly" upgrading.

Consoles are not always on the same playng field though. Someone could be playing on a 19" tube, another on a 70" HDTV. Much more so though, there are a ton of variables in the PC world. But thats not the point I refuted. Its that you do not have to upgrade all the time, and that you can sit on your sofa as well.

 

[Oyeve]

Well, no, not really. I recently gave GOW another try after shelving it for months, and while I have improved I realized they dumbdown the aiming on FPS console games. My sons friend recently got into Halo 3 and he loves it, so, I went out and bought Halo 3 (even tho I hate the whole halo series) just to play coop with my boy. And he whipped my ass. So, to test my theory that people who FPS on PCs and people who FPS on console are of a completely different breed I installed COD 4 on my second PC and went up against my son. I whipped his ass. So, for people like me who have been FPSs on the PC since the invention of FPS for PC, we will never excel on a console FPS unless we stop PC gaming. And those whose first FPS was on a console, we will get our asses handed to us. They are some hybrid players out there that excel on both. But I am not one. My son is young, he may become one yet.

 

[Xavier434]

Yes, I can do both just as well as each other. It all boils down to practice. In my experience, I have found that the best of the best FPS gamers can do just as well on both provided they spend the time playing with both. Being a good FPS gamer goes way beyond control interface. I find it to be more about mental reaction times and sense of strategy. Control interface also happens to be the biggest crutch for FPS gamers due to muscle memory. I view that crutch as a weakness no matter which you prefer.

 

[imported_Ivan244]

This is why I encourage people to pick up UT3 for PS3. Hopefully if Epic sells a lot of copies more devs will be willing to include M/Kb support. I would love to play Warhawk, RFOM etc... using M/Kb rather then controller. Crossing fingers for a patch though I realize that's a long shot.

I have a FragFX but that just a band-aid, not a replacement for true M/Kb support. Really no reason to not include it. Simply have filter options so you can have multiplayer games with No M/Kb, any, or exclusive. That's what Epic has done with UT3 and I love it.

Now if only Epic would fix the current mic issue I would be estatic.

 

[jonks]

I got used to fps on console, but the mouse is far superior. I don't see why this is controversial. Would you really want to play Madden with a keyboard?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I got used to fps on console, but the mouse is far superior. I don't see why this is controversial. Would you really want to play Madden with a keyboard?

True, but if everyone else were forced to play Madden on the keyboard would it really matter? Better players will be better players. I am adamantly opposed to kb/mouse support for console games. They need to innovate not move backwards.

 

[syn0s]

There can definitely be hybrid players, but who has the time to play PC and consoles for that long everyday? I find that if I start playing one, I will ignore the other one that much more.

The upgrade cycle and HDTV things are just excuses too. Fact of the matter is, it will take longer to adapt to the one you are most uncomfortable with. Plain and simple. They will both always have pros and cons.

I myself find it hard to game on the PC when I have been using one at work all day long. People who use PCs professionally seem to feel this way, whether they are hooked up to their HDTV or not.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
Well, no, not really. I recently gave GOW another try after shelving it for months, and while I have improved I realized they dumbdown the aiming on FPS console games. My sons friend recently got into Halo 3 and he loves it, so, I went out and bought Halo 3 (even tho I hate the whole halo series) just to play coop with my boy. And he whipped my ass. So, to test my theory that people who FPS on PCs and people who FPS on console are of a completely different breed I installed COD 4 on my second PC and went up against my son. I whipped his ass. So, for people like me who have been FPSs on the PC since the invention of FPS for PC, we will never excel on a console FPS unless we stop PC gaming. And those whose first FPS was on a console, we will get our asses handed to us. They are some hybrid players out there that excel on both. But I am not one. My son is young, he may become one yet.

I can whip ass equally in COD4 on PC and 360 (yes, I actually have both). I can also pwn in GoW, although I'm horrendous at Halo, but give me a mouse and keyboard and I'll be near the top of the list in any PC game.

Your theory is incorrect.

I prefer the mouse as a control method, but Xbox live blows away any online environment the PC has to offer.

 

[Anubis]

yes i can play both perfectly fine

PC Gamers who cant adapt to use a controller and consolers who cant figure out a KB/Mouse are inferior gamers

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: syn0s
There can definitely be hybrid players, but who has the time to play PC and consoles for that long everyday? I find that if I start playing one, I will ignore the other one that much more.

The upgrade cycle and HDTV things are just excuses too. Fact of the matter is, it will take longer to adapt to the one you are most uncomfortable with. Plain and simple. They will both always have pros and cons.

I myself find it hard to game on the PC when I have been using one at work all day long. People who use PCs professionally seem to feel this way, whether they are hooked up to their HDTV or not.

You don't need that much time if you are a natural!

Don't mind me. I'm just stirring up the hornet's nest. :laugh:

 

[Oyeve]

Originally posted by: Anubis
yes i can play both perfectly fine

PC Gamers who cant adapt to use a controller and consolers who cant figure out a KB/Mouse are inferior gamers

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in quite some time. I have been a PC gamer for over 27 years and own and have played nearly every game out there and am FAR from being an inferior gamer. I own every single game console (except PS3) and have only been playing FPS on the PC. When you have been gaming as long as I have and you play FPS on a PC for at least 18 or so years, yea, its kinda hard to shoot with a gamepad on a console.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Anubis
yes i can play both perfectly fine

PC Gamers who cant adapt to use a controller and consolers who cant figure out a KB/Mouse are inferior gamers

for newer PC games I prefer the 360 controller

 

[DarkThinker]

My situation is a bit complicated and especially when it comes to FPS games.I have gotten out of the PC gaming scene for a while (3 years) I love PC gaming and I always will, you always get the high end of things (albeit for a heavy price).
However with the graphics level of PS3's and the ability of me to just have it hooked up to my KVM switch on my desk and play whenever I feel like it on my big PC LCD without having to go to the living room I have become more tempted to snap a PS3 and have at it.

My current main machine is a Core 2 Duo T60 Thinkpad. It runs Fedora 8 Linux and does all I want and need. I was able to install Steam on it under WINE and am currently able to play Half-Life DeathMatch, Counter Strike and Day of Defeat (I love DoD).
However to go back to playing HL2, HL2 DM, Day of Defeat Source in addition to the ones that came out later EP1 & EP2 I need a machine that doesn't sport an integrated graphics card like mine does.
So I have considered getting back into the PC gaming world. I made a wish list for a gaming PC that would be in the medium range. And the cost was above $500, my top notch gaming rig that I built (and constantly upgraded) in my hardcore days was something like $1200.

However I noticed that valve had released the Orange Box for PS3. I became even more interested. However I was saddened to realize that the Orange Box doesn't support Keyboard and Mouse like Unreal tournament 3 on the PS3 in addition to that HL2: DM has not been made available for the PS3 and so was Day of Defeat and Day of Defeat Source

But still there was the issue of having to play an FPS without my mouse and Nostromo Speedpad 2 Ughh I can't take that at all. I love the PS3 game pads when I am playing Soccer or Gran Turismo, however I never liked playing an FPS with the controllers.

My hope was a bit restored when I saw these two videos:
1
2

So right now I am pondering which way to go, I am CSE & EE so the 1st method doesn't look bad to me I can do it especially with all the info being apparently provided and open, it also offers the possibility for me to code in the lack of mouse motion acceleration that computers have in my spare time.

The 2nd method looks like the easiest way to do it, however mouse acceleration has to be completely sacrificed, though people are saying it's not that bad and it's a bit better than having a splitfish fragfx mouse and pad and less time consuming to get up and running than the 1st method.

I'll try get the accessories first and try to get things working on my friend's PS3 if that goes fine, then I will be buying a PS3 as good of a deal as I can get and try to adjust to the whole console thing.
One problem is that SmartJoy frags are rare to come by anywhere thanks to Sony's BS policies after they have shutdown the company that makes the adapter So will see what I can do about it.

 

[syn0s]

Anybody have any good exercises or anything to master FPS aiming a little quicker?

I found that just playing through the game over and over helps, and I also found that playing the beginning training / obstacle course thing over and over again really helped, especially when I switched from inverted to normal. I started at around 33 seconds, and I eventually got down to 18 seconds, unlocking the achievement. I felt my aim was quite a bit better then, but it still gets to me sometimes.

I've played through CoD4 about 3 times now, and I decided to switch from inverted to normal, just to see what it is like. It was difficult at first, but I can see that I am slowly adapting.

I raised my sensitivity from 2 to a mere 3, and it still seems extremely quick. When I'm aiming with the thumbstick, it seems like I am constantly overshooting or undershooting my target, or I completely miss. Inverted feels more natural for me, whereas when I am playing with normal aim it seems like I actually have to "think" about aiming. I'm gonna keep trying normal for another week or so, then go back to inverted and see which one I enjoy more.

Also can't wait for my motherboard and HDD to get here so I can build my new gaming machine. The only things I really wanna play on PC are FPS games and maybe an occasional MMORPG, solely just because the mouse movement feels so much more natural for me. I've played FPS games since the Wolfenstein and Doom days, and when the Quake revolution hit I really adapted well to the KB/M layout. It is so engrained in me and developed that even when I am just surfing the net or chatting, I grab my mouse and start moving it around in quick, circular movements, similar to playing a game of Quake or UT.

I think it is gonna be extremely hard for me to adapt, and I'm starting to get older now, so my reflexes aren't what they used to be. My learning rate is quite a bit slower, and I also spend most of my professional life on the PC at work, which is 9 or 10 hours a day. It is difficult to come home and want to sit at my desk and play games, but strangely enough I do it.

I really wish I could adapt to the thumbsticks quicker and I've seen some amazing movies on MLGPro.com showing some amazing skill with the sticks. It's amazing to me, and I would even think they would be able to take on a few KB/M players with how well they do, but only if the KB/M player were slightly less skilled. If all things were equal, the KB/M player would still have the advantage.

Anyways, so anybody got any exercise ideas for the thumbsticks?

 

[cmdrdredd]

lets say you had a 360 before you built a PC. Would it not be the same learning curve? I think for alot of gamers it is.

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

Sigh.. these age old topics have been discussed, and refuted time and time again. You dont have to upgrade constantly, and you can have your PC hooked up to your TV as well. You can even get the 360 controller for the PC, so its not even an issue at all.

If the industry would just stop being lazy, and include kb/mouse support, everyone would be happy. But no, they have to drag their feet, so annoying.

It is refuted because you say so? If you can figure out a way to make my current PC run Crysis at a decent resolution then by all means come on over. The fact of the matter is there is an advantage in having 60fps when your opponent might be playing at 10fps. You don't have to deal with this discrepancy in the console world.

LOL! Fingolfin269 gets negative infinity FPS attempting to run Crysis on his 360! I wonder why? Just remember that your 360 is really just a closed-architecture PC that was designed well over 2 years ago (almost 3 years ago).

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i used to only play FPS on PC.

now i don't play PC games at all and i don't plan on going back to PC gaming ever.

it takes some time to get used to but you can do it no problem. it will never be as precise as a mouse/kb but everyone is on even playing fields. those who cry about controlling FPS on a controller are sad.

the best part is not having to upgrade your computer constantly and being able to sit back and relax on the sofa fragging n00bs on Guardian =D

Sigh.. these age old topics have been discussed, and refuted time and time again. You dont have to upgrade constantly, and you can have your PC hooked up to your TV as well. You can even get the 360 controller for the PC, so its not even an issue at all.

If the industry would just stop being lazy, and include kb/mouse support, everyone would be happy. But no, they have to drag their feet, so annoying.

It is refuted because you say so? If you can figure out a way to make my current PC run Crysis at a decent resolution then by all means come on over. The fact of the matter is there is an advantage in having 60fps when your opponent might be playing at 10fps. You don't have to deal with this discrepancy in the console world.

LOL! Fingolfin269 gets negative infinity FPS attempting to run Crysis on his 360! I wonder why? Just remember that your 360 is really just a closed-architecture PC that was designed well over 2 years ago (almost 3 years ago).

Reading comprehension ftw? Ahh, nevermind, you are assuming I also post from my 360.

 

[DT4K]

I made the comment about needing a $400 video card every 6 months and a new PC every year.

I was exaggerating, but the point is still valid. PC gaming is clearly more expensive and requires more frequent upgrades to keep up with the latest games that are always coming out.

I also made the comment about being able to sit on my couch and play on my projector. Yes, obviously I know that you can hook a PC up to a TV or projector. The point was just that it's so much simpler to use a console for that purpose.

None of those comments were intended as a PC vs console argument. They are both better at different things and everyone gets to make their own choice about which they prefer. I've always been a PC gamer, but I'm having a great time with my 360 and enjoying the plug and play simplicity of it all.

FYI, after at least 15-20 hours playing COD4 over the last week, I'm getting the hang of it. Although I will never have the same control with the thumbstick that I had with a mouse, I am no longer frustrated by it. I still suck compared to most of the other players, but I am steadily improving and I'm actually feeling pretty comfortable with the controls. I'm up to about 7 kills for every 10 deaths, which seems pretty respectable to me for a noob to console shooters.

 

[syn0s]

Originally posted by: DT4K
FYI, after at least 15-20 hours playing COD4 over the last week, I'm getting the hang of it. Although I will never have the same control with the thumbstick that I had with a mouse, I am no longer frustrated by it. I still suck compared to most of the other players, but I am steadily improving and I'm actually feeling pretty comfortable with the controls. I'm up to about 7 kills for every 10 deaths, which seems pretty respectable to me for a noob to console shooters.

I agree with you DT4K.. I've been getting steadily better, but nothing compares to the KB/M. I do look at it this way though: I'm always up for a good challenge. I see mastering console thumb sticks as a challenge to overcome, so I just want to get better that much more. I guess I'm just impatient and I give up on the gamepad too quickly. I'm always up for learning something new though.

PM me your gamertag and I'll add you to my friends list.. Then we can at least suck (and learn) together. Mine is "HarpoSUFI"