[PcGameshardware] The Witcher 3 Benchmark

[DarkKnightDude]

Its funny too because you see AMD cards outperforming Kepler in this. Makes nvidia look worse.

 

[Enigmoid]

Not sure why people are expecting hairworks to work fine on AMD cards before AMD releases a witcher 3 driver update dealing with hairworks in witcher 3. My guess is we will see a patch/driver update fixing everything in the next week or two.

 

[LTC8K6]

New 15.5 Driver Coming For Witcher 3 And Project Cars

http://wccftech.com/amd-announces-w...driver-coming-boost-tessellation-performance/

AMD is committed to improving performance for the recently-released Project CARS and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. To that end, we are creating AMD Catalyst™ 15.5 Beta to optimize performance for these titles, and we will continue to work closely with their developers to improve quality and performance. We will release AMD Catalyst™ 15.5 Beta on our website as soon as it is available.

 

[desprado]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...ng-about-the-witcher-3-and-nvidias-hairworks/

Very good and spot on.

In short he ask a question from AMD that Nvidia has invested millions into Gamework than why in the hell they will give code to AMD to optimize it or help AMD to optimize because it is a business.

He also said AMD is now a company who only blames everyone rather make decision and bold risk to counter it.

 

[Deders]

There has been a performance improving patch earlier today and another one is expected soon. I've also found that by knocking foliage distance back a notch and reducing the AA on Hairworks to 4x makes it perform about as well as DA:Inquisition at 2560x1080. Everything else is maxed.

That is with the latest PhysX driver but with the main driver rolled back to the previous GTAV release driver as the current one causes the driver kernel to crash at desktop clockspeeds on my machine.

 

[Deders]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...ng-about-the-witcher-3-and-nvidias-hairworks/

Very good and spot on.

I have to admit I rarely believe a word that comes out of Huddy's mouth, it certainty doesn't help AMD's argument when he makes things up that can be easily disproved like not having hairworks until the last moment, even though there are videos of it working in the witcher 3 from several months before.

 

[Azix]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...ng-about-the-witcher-3-and-nvidias-hairworks/

Very good and spot on.

In short he ask a question from AMD that Nvidia has invested millions into Gamework than why in the hell they will give code to AMD to optimize it or help AMD to optimize because it is a business.

He also said AMD is now a company who only blames everyone rather make decision and bold risk to counter it.

That guy wants AMD to do what nvidia is doing. AMD invests millions as well, they just don't go about it as nvidia does. Can't take anyone who points a finger at AMD for saying things the media and consumers should be saying seriously.

AMD works with devs
AMD invests and has created far more impactful tech than nvidia

all nvidia does is make its crappy software closed.

If this decision and bold risk is to start screwing us over like nvidia does, no thanks.

I have to admit I rarely believe a word that comes out of Huddy's mouth, it certainty doesn't help AMD's argument when he makes things up that can be easily disproved like not having hairworks until the last moment, even though there are videos of it working in the witcher 3 from several months before.

I had replied to that article from forbes with a counter to this point. A short while before the game was released a bunch of people were posting previews from a visit to the witcer devs. Those people said they were playing on a gtx 980. Was hairworks on? No. Even on a gtx 980, THAT CLOSE to release, it was not optimized. It was not good enough to even show. THAT CLOSE TO RELEASE for an nvidia game. Now imagine what position AMD is in.

You can show off the tech without it being in the actual game yet. You can play around with it on 2-4 titans and have it shown at shows. does not mean you have it implemented in the final form or at all in the game. The devs said they changed the rendering engine from what they showed way back then. if something that important can change, what is hairworks?

People love to claim things are easily disprovable then come with some half thought out explanation of why. I have yet to see Huddy being shown to lie and it would be stupid for him to be doing it in these interviews. Nvidia on the other hand, almost all they say is PR releases. ALl they argue is "we invest" and its their tech etc, like some spoiled child trying to justify being mean.

No consumer should be defending nvidia because they are royally tripping.

I will say it again, nvidia is weak in creating these things. What huddy said about hairworks is obviously true. Its crap and the decision to make it that way was probably heavily influenced by nvidias way of doing things.

 

[TechFan1]

Wow, so much controversy over NVidia Hairworks, when NVidia doesn't even recommend using it with their own cards unless you have a 980. Not arguing for or against gameworks, but this whole Witcher 3 gameworks controversy seems kind of ridiculous.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow, so much controversy over NVidia Hairworks, when NVidia doesn't even recommend using it with their own cards unless you have a 980. Not arguing for or against gameworks, but this whole Witcher 3 gameworks controversy seems kind of ridiculous.

It's not really that. It's because for some strange reason, Nvidia is supposed to code Hairworks (Gameworks) content to work or perform better on AMD hardware. Truth is, Nvidia only has to do that for it's customers. AMD has to do that for theirs.

 

[iiiankiii]

It's not really that. It's because for some strange reason, Nvidia is supposed to code Hairworks (Gameworks) content to work or perform better on AMD hardware. Truth is, Nvidia only has to do that for it's customers. AMD has to do that for theirs.

You're partially right. Nvidia is only doing it for their MAXWELL customer. That part, I believe, is much, much, much more important than AMD's optimization. I can understand them not doing it for AMD. But to not optimize GameWorks for their Kepler customers is the real problem Nvidia needs to address.

I don't know the exact numbers. But, I'm willing to bet there are way more Kepler owners than Maxwell owners. It seems they're a bit upset.

 

[chimaxi83]

Well waddya know, used a custom profile to limit tesselation for Hairworks, set it to on for all, and averaging 45-50 fps with a single 290 at 1080p, all settings maxed except SSAO instead of HBAO+. Hair looks no different than when it was tessellated to the moon and back.

 

[Spanners]

It's not really that. It's because for some strange reason, Nvidia is supposed to code Hairworks (Gameworks) content to work or perform better on AMD hardware. Truth is, Nvidia only has to do that for it's customers. AMD has to do that for theirs.

I don't remember anyone saying Nvidia should make Gameworks features work better on AMD hardware. I thought the supposed issue was that it made it impossible for AMD to make it work better on AMD hardware.

 

[Azix]

I don't remember anyone saying Nvidia should make Gameworks features work better on AMD hardware. I thought the supposed issue was that it made it impossible for AMD to make it work better on AMD hardware.

Apparently allowing AMD to optimize for AMD is doing AMDs work for it. AMD needs to send in some spies and double agents to change nvidia policy, thereby AMD would be doing AMDs work for AMD.

 

[Erenhardt]

It's not really that. It's because for some strange reason, Nvidia is supposed to code Hairworks (Gameworks) content to work or perform better on AMD hardware. Truth is, Nvidia only has to do that for it's customers. AMD has to do that for theirs.

Can't wait to see hardware exclusive titles that don't run on other manufacturer hardware. Great attitude.:thumbsdown:

What would you say if crysis 3 didn't even run on nv cards? AMD has no obligation to ensure the game can be lunched on nv hardware.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Can't wait to see hardware exclusive titles that don't run on other manufacturer hardware. Great attitude.:thumbsdown:

What would you say if crysis 3 didn't even run on nv cards? AMD has no obligation to ensure the game can be lunched on nv hardware.

In the future we will be like the Console peasants and have to have two rigs for games. An AMD and an Nvidia rig.

When that time comes I am done with it. It is getting ridiculous already and Gameworks was part of my decision to switch to AMD. I prefer open standards. If you want to work with the developer is one thing but it is to the point where developers are telling AMD no thank you when they ask to sit down and work on optimization for upcoming games that are Nvidia sponsored. Gameworks features have been increasing and it feels like they are becoming more aggressive. Where will we be in 4 years? Will AMD only be able to enable Medium settings at a console level and all other features are huge hits because they are in Nvidia's black box?

 

[digitaldurandal]

I don't remember anyone saying Nvidia should make Gameworks features work better on AMD hardware. I thought the supposed issue was that it made it impossible for AMD to make it work better on AMD hardware.

It is not impossible but unlike AMD that releases their code Nvidia refuses to. It would take exponentially more work to get the features running as well on AMD as Nvidia has it because they can only see output.

 

[5150Joker]

Apparently allowing AMD to optimize for AMD is doing AMDs work for it. AMD needs to send in some spies and double agents to change nvidia policy, thereby AMD would be doing AMDs work for AMD.

Why couldn't AMD send engineers to CDPR and code in TressFX to work with their graphics card? Why must NVIDIA open up GameWorks for them? All I hear is a bunch of weak excuses for why AMD is a perpetual failure.

 

[DeathReborn]

Why couldn't AMD send engineers to CDPR and code in TressFX to work with their graphics card? Why must NVIDIA open up GameWorks for them? All I hear is a bunch of weak excuses for why AMD is a perpetual failure.

I find it quite telling that they only offered TressFX after they found out HairWorks was being used and it didn't perform as well on a competitors (AMD) products. AMD seems to be getting more reactionary with developers instead of proactive and getting the good results.

AMD should be offering these open source middlewares to every developer they can find if they want to stop the spread of GameWorks or at least have their own option in the games but instead they allow their "gaming scientist" (aka liar) to grab the mic again & again.

 

[Spanners]

Why couldn't AMD send engineers to CDPR and code in TressFX to work with their graphics card? Why must NVIDIA open up GameWorks for them? All I hear is a bunch of weak excuses for why AMD is a perpetual failure.

"...the company "specifically asked" CD Projekt Red if it wanted to put TressFX in the game following the revelation that HairWorks was causing such a large drop in performance, but apparently the developer said 'it was too late'."

Link

I personally don't care about either I turned Tress off in TR and I turned HW off in The Witcher 3, I think they bother offer fairly little and I'd rather have the performance. That said I do care if things become some stupid battle ground of proprietary middle-ware.

 

[SirPauly]

It's not really that. It's because for some strange reason, Nvidia is supposed to code Hairworks (Gameworks) content to work or perform better on AMD hardware. Truth is, Nvidia only has to do that for it's customers. AMD has to do that for theirs.

It makes sense for nVidia to code to their strengths but considering it is using industry standards and a brand agnostic feature is it really fair to not allow their competitors to optimize fully for their customers? My point? It would help with adoption and more titles may enjoy it.

Understand nVidia's point about protecting and leveraging but don't agree with it from a consumer point-of-view.

 

[Deders]

"...the company "specifically asked" CD Projekt Red if it wanted to put TressFX in the game following the revelation that HairWorks was causing such a large drop in performance, but apparently the developer said 'it was too late'."

Link

I personally don't care about either I turned Tress off in TR and I turned HW off in The Witcher 3, I think they bother offer fairly little and I'd rather have the performance. That said I do care if things become some stupid battle ground of proprietary middle-ware.

Except that Hairworks was announced back in 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpPqXdzl7g

And Huddy claims they only knew about it in the last couple of months:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...ng-about-the-witcher-3-and-nvidias-hairworks/

 

[showb1z]

It's pretty incredible how many people apparently want the PC market to be segregated by closed standards and other practices.
Or maybe they just want AMD to finally fold so they can pay $2k for a GPU.
Bright future ahead of us!

 

[SirPauly]

AMD should be offering these open source middlewares to every developer they can find if they want to stop the spread of GameWorks or at least have their own option in the games but instead they allow their "gaming scientist" (aka liar) to grab the mic again & again.

imho,

Agreed, competing with whining isn't going to garner consumer confidence -- offer developers more open choices and get them in titles -- if ya can't, it could be the tipping point where AMD is having trouble competing and may have trouble recovering.

 

[Erenhardt]

Why couldn't AMD send engineers to CDPR and code in TressFX to work with their graphics card? Why must NVIDIA open up GameWorks for them? All I hear is a bunch of weak excuses for why AMD is a perpetual failure.

Guess what...

According to AMD's Huddy, the company "specifically asked" CD Projekt Red if it wanted to put TressFX in the game following the revelation that HairWorks was causing such a large drop in performance, but apparently the developer said 'it was too late.'"

AMD is not even allowed to propose a change in game code to optimize performance...

 

[Jaydip]

Why couldn't AMD send engineers to CDPR and code in TressFX to work with their graphics card? Why must NVIDIA open up GameWorks for them? All I hear is a bunch of weak excuses for why AMD is a perpetual failure.

Very much spot on, all I see is carebear attitude.They invested the money to create the tech why on earth they would share with AMD? if AMD doesn't care about NV specific features why are they whining? I actually thought mantle was a great feature for AMD cards but sadly they failed to push it in more games(also it seems it benefited their lower end cards/APUs more than say 290). People who are speaking about open standards are probably writing that reply from a windows PC itself lol, the irony!!! also they use tons of closed source software in their daily work no but it is NV who is evil.