[PcGameshardware] The Witcher 3 Benchmark

[Silverforce11]

If you want car analogies, its more akin to active sabotage of competitor's engines, rather than just the ethical "let's make ours better".

I would love it if all NV did was "let's make our GPUs better", rather than active obfuscated features to hamper AMD (& Kepler) performance.

But yes, you do have valid points, business operate on their own corporate ethics and it may not be in the best interest of the consumers. I can only vote with my wallet & my freedom of expression.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

GameWorks and GE are NOT the only way to add PC effects

But they're the easiest and the cheapest.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I own no stocks and have no financial interest in AMD, intel, or nVidia, and resent the repeated insinuations in these threads that those who dont drink the AMD cool aid have some vested financial interest in intel or nVidia. I am also sick and tired of the continual whining about gameworks, if you want the blunt truth. What kind of dream world do you live in? Of course consumers want every feature to be available on products from every vendor. While we are in fantasy land, lets make everything free as well. I bet the consuer would like that too.

I would love it for every automaker to share all their technology with the others to build the best car possible. Does that happen? Of course not. Companies spend huge sums of money to develop technologies that give people a reason to purchase their products in preference to a competitor's. That is the way business works. People *want* a lot of things, but that does not make it the way the world operates.

This is an incredibly poor comparison. If Nvidia was in the auto industry they would force you to use a specific brand of gasoline and if you used that in any other car it would run very poorly and those auto makers would have to try and update their firmware to make the car run properly. Even worse is older Nvidia cars would run terrible using their own brand of petrol.

GPUs are designed to use industry standard APIs, Nvidia is trying their best to subvert this and are tossing in code that ONLY runs decently on their hardware. This is anti competitive and anti consumer.

 

[AtenRa]

I own no stocks and have no financial interest in AMD, intel, or nVidia, and resent the repeated insinuations in these threads that those who dont drink the AMD cool aid have some vested financial interest in intel or nVidia. I am also sick and tired of the continual whining about gameworks, if you want the blunt truth. What kind of dream world do you live in? Of course consumers want every feature to be available on products from every vendor. While we are in fantasy land, lets make everything free as well. I bet the consuer would like that too.

I would love it for every automaker to share all their technology with the others to build the best car possible. Does that happen? Of course not. Companies spend huge sums of money to develop technologies that give people a reason to purchase their products in preference to a competitor's. That is the way business works. People *want* a lot of things, but that does not make it the way the world operates.

I have asked you if you are acting like a consumer here and if you like to play games with every feature with every hardware available, not how business works.

We dont want everything for free, we want to be able to play games with all features available with all GPU manufacturers (AMD, Intel and NVIDIA)

Do you or do you not want to play those games with every feature available with both AMD, Intel and NVIDIA hardware ???
Just answer that.


ps: I know you dont have anything to do with those companies, I was only trying making a point of how people should see this matter here.

 

[xthetenth]

This is an incredibly poor comparison. If Nvidia was in the auto industry they would force you to use a specific brand of gasoline and if you used that in any other car it would run very poorly and those auto makers would have to try and update their firmware to make the car run properly. Even worse is older Nvidia cars would run terrible using their own brand of petrol.

GPUs are designed to use industry standard APIs, Nvidia is trying their best to subvert this and are tossing in code that ONLY runs decently on their hardware. This is anti competitive and anti consumer.

It'd be like one company coming out with engines that handle pure ethanol just fine while their older cars and competitors can't, and paying gas stations to only have pure ethanol.

 

[AtenRa]

You don't get it.

GameWorks and GE are NOT the only way to add PC effects, not even close. Look at the GTA V PC port. The graphical effects they added are fantastic -- the PC only shadowing algorithm is easily one of the best shadow algorithms I've ever seen. Better than both vendor's options... there's an image floating around comparing them and the Rockstar coded one is miles ahead of the other.

All the other devs can just look at Rockstar's GTA V port and shoot for that. That's how its done. Except maybe do the control scheme port a little better -- other than that.

edit: found it. Rockstars shadow method looks better and runs better, according to the HardOCP article on the matter.

To tell you the truth, the NVIDIA shadows are more real life than the rest in my opinion. Although, personally i prefer the other two when playing the games.

 

[Enigmoid]

edit: found it. Rockstars shadow method looks better and runs better, according to the HardOCP article on the matter.

PCSS looks by far the most realistic. CHS looks the least. IMO PCSS is not worth the performance penalty, rockstar's shadows are the best balance between performance and IQ.

Rockstars looks the best but its not terribly realistic.

I have asked you if you are acting like a consumer here and if you like to play games with every feature with every hardware available, not how business works.

We dont want everything for free, we want to be able to play games with all features available with all GPU manufacturers (AMD, Intel and NVIDIA)

Do you or do you not want to play those games with every feature available with both AMD, Intel and NVIDIA hardware ???
Just answer that.

No one optimizes for intel...you can leave them out of it. Intel doesn't even optimize their drivers for games. Devs don't release patches for intel driver issues...intel ends up doing all that on their own (its not worth it to the dev as intel graphics can't handle the game).

 

[Silverforce11]

To tell you the truth, the NVIDIA shadows are more real life than the rest in my opinion. Although, personally i prefer the other two when playing the games.

Must be all the pollution (^_^) in your air where you are, but where I am, outside on a sunny day, leaves cast a very clear shadow, not at all a blurfest. Unless the tree is very tall.

 

[Headfoot]

PCSS looks by far the most realistic. CHS looks the least. IMO PCSS is not worth the performance penalty, rockstar's shadows are the best balance between performance and IQ.

Rockstars looks the best but its not terribly realistic.

Are you guys kidding?

Real shadows of leaves don't look like blocks with aliasing all over the edges. The Rockstar one looks better than the PCSS one, hands down, no debate. I can see it being a matter of hard-edge shadow taste or soft shadow taste as between Rockstar and AMD. I prefer the rockstar one there. The AMD one has aliasing all along the shadow edge.

Look again, there's obvious banding of dark/light shadowing in the PCSS version that's super unrealistic. The shadows aren't evenly darkened -- banding abounds. The edges have aliasing in the AMD one. The leaves are blocks with no curvature in PCSS. Observe in the top-middle left section of the PCSS one, there are horizontal darkened lines shooting across, definite aberrations. The edges in the PCSS are ridiculously unrealistically soft, no actual object with light across it from one direction has that soft of a shadow. If you all honestly think the PCSS one looks better then there's no helping you.

 

[Good_fella]

Are you guys kidding?

Real shadows of leaves don't look like blocks with aliasing all over the edges. The Rockstar one looks better than the PCSS one, hands down, no debate. I can see it being a matter of hard-edge shadow taste or soft shadow taste as between Rockstar and AMD. I prefer the rockstar one there. The AMD one has aliasing all along the shadow edge.

Look again, there's obvious banding of dark/light shadowing in the PCSS version that's super unrealistic. The shadows aren't evenly darkened -- banding abounds. The edges have aliasing in the AMD one. The leaves are blocks with no curvature in PCSS. Observe in the top-middle left section of the PCSS one, there are horizontal darkened lines shooting across, definite aberrations. The edges in the PCSS are ridiculously unrealistically soft, no actual object with light across it from one direction has that soft of a shadow. If you all honestly think the PCSS one looks better then there's no helping you.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Yeah, pcss is probably the most realistic.

but the rockstar one looks best.

 

[Azix]

Yeah, pcss is probably the most realistic.

but the rockstar one looks best.

PCSS loses to much detail. Its blurry, that's about it. The rockstar one looks the more realistic. Blur the amd one and it would look more real

Nvidias implementation is just destroying the geometry. It barely retains the shape of the object. Its like dark vomit.

 

[Erenhardt]

PCSS look like 2003 all over again .

 

[Leadbox]

Some of you need to go outside and look at some shadows, the PCSS shadows suggest either a tree that's further away or a very weak light source and even then, it should not be that blurry. Rockstars' shadows are actually more correct in that comparison posted above.

 

[Face2Face]

TechSpot just released their benchmarks

http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/

 

[Enigmoid]

Interesting.

Other than the 290X tanking in hairworks the two look like they carried similar performance hits. I expect to see a major fix for hairworks on the 290X bringing it up to what is expected.

Note that the scenes and setups may not be comparable making a direct comparison of tressfx and hairworks difficult.

 

[gamervivek]

Has the patch made any difference to the kepler performance?

And witcher3 is new crysis? lol!!

 

[Azix]

These tests have no real consistency. One was just a stroll through part of the world, this one doesn't include a video so we don't know what it really was.

 

[Fox5]

PCSS looks much better with shadow quality maxed. I'm not sure if MSAA helps, but once I maxed all the settings in GTA5, PCSS went from crap to being really good looking.

 

[Racan]

Those min frame rates are piss poor considering the PS4 runs game at 1080p and similar quality settings on much weaker hardware.

This is the part they've tested:

"Using FRAPS we recorded 120 seconds of gameplay starting from the first time Geralt mounts Roach (his trusty steed) and rides toward a Griffin attacking a villager. The test ends when the Griffin flies away with the villager's horse.

DigitalFoundry tested a Core i3 4130/GTX 750 Ti combo that compares favorably to the PS4:

https://youtu.be/gGf4SVWEw2g

 

[DiogoDX]

Catalyst hack looks very effective.


http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-2015-05-21-03-24-40-03.bmp

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-2015-05-21-03-26-09-28.bmp

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/witcher3-2015-05-21-03-36-46-92.bmp

http://wccftech.com/amd-announces-w...driver-coming-boost-tessellation-performance/

 

[Silverforce11]

Those min frame rates are piss poor considering the PS4 runs game at 1080p and similar quality settings on much weaker hardware.

If you read the article, you will know that its because they test with HairWorks on, that cripples performance on every thing (more on AMD/Kepler), and neuters min fps badly. When they disabled HairWorks, avg fps improves a lot but min fps improved by 200-300%.

 

[x3sphere]

Those min frame rates are piss poor considering the PS4 runs game at 1080p and similar quality settings on much weaker hardware.

This is the part they've tested:

"Using FRAPS we recorded 120 seconds of gameplay starting from the first time Geralt mounts Roach (his trusty steed) and rides toward a Griffin attacking a villager. The test ends when the Griffin flies away with the villager's horse.


DigitalFoundry tested a Core i3 4130/GTX 750 Ti combo that compares favorably to the PS4:

https://youtu.be/gGf4SVWEw2g

Minimum FPS is worthless without some kind of graph, for all we know that could've been for a split second as the game loaded up.

 

[chimaxi83]

Catalyst hack looks very effective.

It is! Just like that, unethical Nvidia and their hackjob closed source code are mitigated. It really is too bad that Nvidia users can't also benefit by changing tessellation in their CP. See what this crap does, even to you all?

 

[Azix]

http://www.twitch.tv/amd/v/5335751

A chat with John Taylor and Robert Hallock about The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

It is! Just like that, unethical Nvidia and their hackjob closed source code are mitigated. It really is too bad that Nvidia users can't also benefit by changing tessellation in their CP. See what this crap does, even to you all?

nvidia users can't change tess factor? loooooooooool... fail