Pentax *ist DSLR for $367AR

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cmv

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I'm in! This is just way too good a deal to pass up. If you're looking for a large selection of Pentax *ist DL pictures check out this page:

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/pentax/ist_dl

You can refresh to get different photos. Someone mentioned this over at FatWallet and it shows up in the first couple pages of Google searchs on this model.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: cmv
I'm in! This is just way too good a deal to pass up. If you're looking for a large selection of Pentax *ist DL pictures check out this page:

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/pentax/ist_dl

You can refresh to get different photos. Someone mentioned this over at FatWallet and it shows up in the first couple pages of Google searchs on this model.

i guess DSLRs can't make up for bad framing and crappy subjects
 

cmv

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: cmv
I'm in! This is just way too good a deal to pass up. If you're looking for a large selection of Pentax *ist DL pictures check out this page:

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/pentax/ist_dl

You can refresh to get different photos. Someone mentioned this over at FatWallet and it shows up in the first couple pages of Google searchs on this model.

i guess DSLRs can't make up for bad framing and crappy subjects

Yep. Pbase is after all just a hosting site and that page is pulling all the images in that have the Pentax *ist DL in the embedded EXIF information in the photos. So who knows what you'll get.

I'm guessing you know that already but just in case someone else thinks those are my photos .
 

kami333

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Originally posted by: cmv
Originally posted by: MOCKBA1
Do you seriously consider this camera better than D50? What about RAW format? Does it support it? I'm interested in post processing images. Rebates stay until October, so there is time to think.

Um... Where did anyone say it was better than the D50? It's half the price at least so that is the attraction. With RAW you can get closer to the D50 perhaps but nobody in the thread so far has said it is better.

I think it's better. My Pentax *ist D got stolen so I've been in the market for a new one.

I was seriously considering the D50 until I held one, it just didn't feel right in my hands. The Rebel XT feels nice though, much better than the original which I was considering until I held as well. I really liked the size and weight of the DL, the D was light back when it came out but now it would have been considered a brick now. I usually do a lot of shooting when travelling or on spur of the moment so size and weight are an important consideration to me.

The D50 has better continuous shooting but in the 2years that I was using my *ist D, I never had a need to use it, but that's going to depend on your shooting style. If you do sports or weddings, it will be useful, but it just depends on your shooting style.

A common complaint with the DS/DL line is that their jpegs are soft by default, you can bump up the sharpness setting and from what I've read it seems to compensate for it. RAW has no problems and if you cared enough for softness to be a problem why are you shooting jpegs in the first place? Also setting the tone to natural from bright seems to give better jpeg results, however you can't use it on all the modes but at this price I could live with that compromise.

Did I mention Pentax lenses? Certainly not the toughness (for the L and Nikkor) or VR/IS (seems Pentax finally decided to do something about it with the K100D) that Canon and Nikon have but Pentax has some excellent lenses. For pretty cheap too, especially if you don't mind manual focus (though eBay price on them have pretty much doubled in the past couple years, too many Pentax lens hogs out there). The DA16-45 stacks up well against Canon's 17-45 (though it's not dust or water sealed) and the kit 18-55 is a solid lens. On a related note, I found a SMC-M F2 50 in good condition for $15 at the thrift store, it came with a ME Super too.

One thing I really dislike about Pentax is the size of their RAW .pef files, 10~MB compared to Canon or Nikon which is less than 10MB. It adds up.

My advice: grab a hold of both cameras and try them out. It's all about personal preference, the differences are marginal.
 

QueHuong

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Originally posted by: .paldo
Anyone that's been using DSLR should know. It's more about the lense then the body. Buying the body is only the beginning. And anyone that is waiting. This rebate was meant to clear out the DL's stock to make way for the newer model (K100D) that's coming out this month.

That was only paticularly true for film cameras, where any light-tight box will yield the same image quality given the same film and lens; but for DSLRs, the sensor and the processor will impact the image quality. The lens itself is still as important as before, but now so is the DSLR camera body.
 

Mac

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This forum continuess to be the bane of my credit card and a challenge to domestic bliss. I read this thread earlier this week and stewed for 48 hours before I finally decided to order on Friday. The camera shipped same day and will be arriving on Wednesday (I live in the Orlando area). This is an exceptional deal. Here is what went into my decision.

At one time, I was a very serious amateur photographer until the demands of career and raising family took precedence. My interest in photography was rekindled about 4 years ago with the purchase of a 3mp Kodak point and shoot. Over the last few years, I have upgraded several times to prosumer digicams (Nikon 8700 and Oly C7070 with some small travel cameras) but had not made the leap to a dslr. This deal pushed me over.

At this price point, you can't get hurt. Even if you decide you don't like the camera and want to sell, you may lose $50-$100. That's pretty low risk when dealing with digital photography.

Regarding the camera, I went to the local Circuit City to compare. The build quality is head and shoulders over the Canon Rebel XT. Seemed equivalent to the Nikon D50 and Oly 500. In fairness, Canon has the best sensor technology but it over twice the price and the kit lens is suspect. The Nikon shares the same sensor as the Pentax and has good build quality but again the price difference is substantial, probably around $250+ with the kit lens. BTW, the Pentax has a beautiful 2.5" LCD screen that puts both the Nikon and Canon to shame. The Oly is probably a nicer camera than all of these but again, for over twice the money and there are problems with image noise at high ISO that none of these cameras have, probably because the Oly has a slightly smaller 4/3 sensor.

On the downside, the buffer on the DL is not large meaning that it will not be able to shoot at continously at 5fps. Due to the number of focusing points, the auto-focus may not be a little slower (still no slouch compared to a point and shoot). I no longer have Walter Mitty-ish fantasies about shooting the cover of Sports Illustrated or National Geographic so these are no big deals in my mind.

The biggest drawback in my mind about the DL (or any Pentax dslr) is that their in-camera image processing (the "processor") combined with the default settings produce soft images. You can tweak the settings to improve jpgs coming directly from the camera but to get optimal results, you have to shoot raw and then post process the image. That is true with just about any dslr but more so with the DL.

There are some other niggles but the aforementioned are the main items. And besides, all entry dslrs have limitations designed into them. How else would the manufactuer get you to spend several thousand $$ for a Canon 5D if you could find the same features on a 350XT. TANSTAAFL...There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Another deciding factor for the DL for me is that it uses AA batteries and K mount lenses. At Sam's, you can pick up an Everready charger and 8 NiMH 2300 or 2500 mAH batteries for less than $20. Need I say more.

My 35mm system was Pentax so I have lenses that can be used with the DL with some tinkering. The majority are standard K-mount so some functionality is lost but they will still work.

Even if I didn't have the Pentax lenses, I would have probably still bought the DL. This is one of those offers that doesn't come around often. Saying that, the dslr business is about to go through some viscious competition. Sony will de-stabilize the market with the pending release of the A100. This looks like a dynamite camera with feature after feature, including image stabilization and a 10mp sensor. It will hit the market at around $950 to $1000 price point and will shake up the mid-tier dslr market and put pressure on the entry level cameras in the $600 - $800 range. With the pending release of the Pentax K100 and K110, combined with the Sony announcement, I guess Pentax decided to cut its losses early with the DL and move on.

Bottom line. Unless you have the $$ to burn or are a very serious amateur or have lenses from another camera system, this Pentax DL is an extraordinary value and will pleasantly surprise you with both quality and features. As I mentioned earlier, deals like this don't come around often so if you have been wanting to get into the dslr experience, this is the one.
 

cmv

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Excellent post, Mac. I strongly agree with all of your points and also had a hard time making the decision to jump on this. As you said, the factors that pushed me over are the low price so not a huge risk and the use of AA batteries. I can't believe some reviews have the gall to put AA batteries down as a con/negative feature. I go island camping with no juice to recharge costly proprietary battery packs so a stock of NiMH AAs is the easiest and cheapest option for me. And the NiMH AAs keep getting better and better so we're not stuck with an outdated battery.

The biggest con is the need to shoot RAW or at least the perception in general from all the reviews about the issues with the color and softness of the JPEGs. It has been pointed out that the camera can be turned to natural from vivid and sharpening bumped up but others pointed out that the color change doesn't work in all modes. So, if that is true, RAW is essential in some cases.

I don't have any lenses but from what I've been reading lately it sounds like this is a good DSLR for a penny pincher who is interesting in playing with older lenses (that might require manual focus). In particular, Pentax has a history of keeping the lens mounts compatible for the most part while other manufacturers may not have focused on this area as much. So one can put a 20 year old lens on the ist DL and take pictures.

These sites have more information on the lens options (posted for everyone, I'm sure you're aware of this already):

http://tinyurl.com/pe9qf
http://www.mile23.com/node/26
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00AqPi
http://tinyurl.com/r5vwq
http://stans-photography.info/ (one more link for lenses)

The final point about coming image stabilization cameras coming out is well taken. I'm used to an Olympus C-2100UZ that has image stabilization so the change to the DL will be interesting (not that I'm getting rid of my UZ). I wanted more megapixels and to play with a DSLR without breaking the bank and the ist DL is a perfect fit.
 

esquared

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Originally posted by: cmv
Originally posted by: rml
There are many digital camera review sites. Two of the best review site is www.dpreview.com & http://www.steves-digicams.com/ Check them out.
By the way, Pentax made a few successors after Pentax *ist DSLR (since that camera was released more than a year ago).
But the price AR is excellent for this camera
Yes, these sites are excellent but DPReview.com did not review the *ist DL and Steves-Digicams.com only has a user review. The DL is a relatively new model -- newer than the DS (not sure about DS2).


I don't understand what you meant by steve's-digicams.com having only a user review. I read the review and it seemed like many of the other reviews he has written. Even his sample pictures have the same subjects he routinely takes for camera to camera comparison.
Pentax Ist DL review
 

esquared

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Arrrrg..... Price just went up 55.00, from 464 to 519 on the Kit. WTF????
Body only went up too, but only 19.00.

I just checked pricegrabber.com and buydig.com also went up to 519.
Butterfly photo and buydigital are still 457 and 462 respectively at the moment.
 

cmv

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Originally posted by: esquared
I don't understand what you meant by steve's-digicams.com having only a user review. I read the review and it seemed like many of the other reviews he has written. Even his sample pictures have the same subjects he routinely takes for camera to camera comparison.
Pentax Ist DL review

You're right -- I misunderstood the title of the page and obviously did not read closely. Mea culpe. I was worried they'd jack the price so I ordered even though I just moved and just changed my home address on my credit card account. I was going to wait and then I thought about it...

edit: Isn't buydig the same as Beach? I thought someone said that on the FattyWallet thread. Don't take my word though .
 

esquared

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edit: Isn't buydig the same as Beach? I thought someone said that on the FattyWallet thread. Don't take my word though .
I didn't know that but it would explain why they both went up to the same price. Thanks for the info. I purchased from Beachcamera before and wouldn't hesitate to use them again. Now I also have Buydig on my purchase list of vendors.

 

Mac

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This deal reminds me very much of last summer when Olympus decided to get out of the high end prosumer market and started dumping the C7070. Top quality, loads of features. I picked up one for around $350 delivered and today can get my money back and then some by selling on ebay.

I don't know if a year from now, I will be able to get all of my money back out of either of these cameras....but for this price point, who cares? Besides, they will likely be keepers for quite a while to come.

As I stated earlier, these deals don't come around often so if you are on the fence, you should make up your mind soon or the choice may be made for you.
 

gcy

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I'm glad I ordered the other day, price have gone up $58 for the 2 lens kit @ Beach camera
:beer:
 

Bullhonkie

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I got mine yesterday. Couldn't resist jumping into an entry level DSLR for this price. I had been considering plopping down ~$300 for a point and shoot, but I've been looking to expand my photography horizons so this was a no brainer.

I'm going from an old old Canon A40 - which still works great and all. I just feel limited by it even though it offers manual control. Quite a leap but I'm eager to learn and improve.

A pair of sample pics that I took earlier today:
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Steve325

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I'm pissed I bought this camera a month ago for $500, but it's not a big deal. I'm in love with this camera and have no regrets in purchasing. If you haven't made the purchase, do it. The new K1000 is going to be a great replacement for it, so those who wait a little bit longer to pick up a 10mp, antishake camera, I'd hold out.

Street price is going to be around $699 for it.
 

KormyBear

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Just changed a few minutes ago. Earlier price must have been an "error" I ordered one yesterday, I'll see if it arrives as expected!
 

cmv

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Originally posted by: KormyBear
Camera arrived. Brand new, unopened boxes, perfect.

Congrats on the awesome deal and thanks for letting us know as I'll have to check that site when shopping. I wonder if it was a price mistake. In any case, sweet deal. I got in on the Beach deal before the jacked the price. If you want to save more you could also go for the HP printer deal ($100 rebate on select models) and resell it. I'm going to try that... FattyWallet has details on that option (I posted on the 4th with the suggestion but I think someone made a new thread).
 
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