Pentium VS. AMD

[rshoemaker]

A MAC cheaper than a PC?

 

[thirdlegstump]

On a Mac, you waste far less time tweaking and fixing your computer from overheating, viruses, malware etc. and instead are more productive being creative and just getting your work done. That's where it gets cheaper.

 

[carldon]

Originally posted by: deathkoba

Originally posted by: rshoemaker
If you want to build an inexpensive fast machine to play games on, then building an AMD machine at the proper price/performance point makes sense. If you want to browse the web and do wordprocessing, sticking with the MAC makes sense. Question is, why did you want to build a machine? Just for the experience? Paying huge $$$ more for Intel makes no sense to me when AMD outperforms in most ways.

A Mac would be cheaper than building a Peecee and you'll get your work done instead of worrying about viruses and spyware.

I think if the Mac ever becomes popular, viruses and spyware will be written for them too. If you think that Apple built an OS without any holes in them or for that matter if you think any company can, you're mistaken. I dont use any virus scanner or adware removal utility. I havent been for the past six months. I dont use IE unless its absolutely necessary. I dont use file sharing utilities. I've havent had my computer crash during that period. As for the hardware, the overcloking experience and customization is far beyond what a Mac can offer right now. As for it a PC being expensive, all I can say is ...build one.

CD.

 

[calyco]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
I think you're better off sticking to the Mac as you'll experience nothing but headaches with PC's. Just imagine having to do everything you didn't need to do with your Mac....scanning for viruses, defragging, removing spyware, plugging and praying, rebooting, looking at the ugly interface (and the frequent bluescreens), Windows security updates, the registry, having to throw out your PC after about a year since it has a low resale value and you have to go through a painful upgrade process since the machine miraculously gets slower and can't handle the same OS etc. causing you to waste more time and money..when your Mac simply doesn't need any kind of upgrades for an incredibly long time and even then, you can resell it close to the original retail price! Also you could do everything a PC could on the Mac especially with Virtual PC, which runs Windows almost as fast as actual PC hardware. Why buy a cheap crappy Pinto when you can have a Ferrari? The choice is simple if you ask me.

Phew, talk about a run-on sentence!

Jesus, PCs are not that bad . Some of the problems you listed have already been fixed with XP. Run a good firewall like Outpost, a cookie cleaner like Crapcleaner once in a while and you need not worry about spyware, viruses etc. I guess it really comes down to what you are using it for and if you are a DIYer/gamer or if you just want the thing to work off the bat (just like if someone would go and buy Dell instead of building their own).

 

[rshoemaker]

While I respect your opinion, in my view, one can do the same on a PC for much less (perhaps as little as half as much). It's just takes building the computer well, running XP, and using the proper tools to stay secure. In the end, it all depends what you want to do with it. Windows XP is still the game platform of choice. If you just want to do work, you could build a PC, and run many different free versions of Linux. Of course, if you want to be totally protected from the experience of computing, have no wish to do any experimentation of any kind, and aren't going to play games, and have deep pockets, I guess a MAC would fill the bill.

Of course, this is a debate that will continue for a long time. Hopefully, Apple will still be around to participate in it.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Hey I have a few PCs too so I know all about them, don't need any lessons from you. I've also owned a fleet of Macs so I know all about them too. Unless you have equal amount of experience of both platforms, your opinions do not count.

 

[rshoemaker]

It smells like troll in here. I guess I better go somewhere else.:disgust:

 

[thirdlegstump]

Who are you calling a troll? You've got 6 posts homey!

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: lavagirl669
P4

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

agree with nick.

 

[rshoemaker]

Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Hi guys,

I am a mac user, but I do have some knowledge with PC's. I am a big fan of AMD. I heard that the P4 extreme edition was very good. What do you recommend? AMD or Pentium. I had a good experience with AMD. How does any of the AMD XP and AMD 64 compare to the Pentium 4 EE? I would like to know about your experience.

Thanks.

to get back on the subject - why were you considering building a PC? Or did you give up on the idea? It can be fun and not difficult. If you want to game, experiment, learn about hardware, or experiment with different operating systems, then building your own is a good way to go.

 

[wraith3k]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
I think you're better off sticking to the Mac as you'll experience nothing but headaches with PC's. Just imagine having to do everything you didn't need to do with your Mac....scanning for viruses, defragging, removing spyware, plugging and praying, rebooting, looking at the ugly interface (and the frequent bluescreens),

Everything you just listed can be avoided if you are a careful computer user. Viruses and spyware won't infiltrate your machine if you have a good firewall and software that stops them before they do anything. Plugging and praying? Every piece of hardware I've installed has worked fine. Drivers and hardware recognition has come a very long day since PnP came out with win95. Rebooting? How often do you have to do that? On my old rig my the longest I had it up and running was a month straight without any problem. Frequent blue screens? Yeah, if something is totally borked in your system maybe. In the 2 1/2 years that I was running windows 2000 on my old computer, I had maybe 1 or 2 blue screens. And I know for sure one of them was simply a result of a hardware misconfiguration which was easily fixed. Ugly interface? Change it, there's plenty of built-in options and third-party utils that will let you configure the GUI.

Macs are fine, I have no problem with them in general. But it does seem that all mac users are pretty well-tuned to bashing PCs.

 

[Somniferum]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Unless you have equal amount of experience of both platforms, your opinions do not count.

That's quite an arrogant and callow thing to say. Your subjective perception of another forum user's experience level has nothing to do with the validity of their opinion in a thread like this one.

 

[formulav8]

Mac people are just mad because they have only been able to brainwash 2% of the computer market to buy that overpriced under powered crap




Jason

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: Somniferum

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Unless you have equal amount of experience of both platforms, your opinions do not count.

That's quite an arrogant and callow thing to say. Your subjective perception of another forum user's experience level has nothing to do with the validity of their opinion in a thread like this one.

It's objective.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: formulav8
Mac people are just mad because they have only been able to brainwash 2% of the computer market to buy that overpriced under powered crap




Jason

Beta vs. VHS. The crap wins because they are cheap. Beta is Betta.

 

[rshoemaker]

bait is bait

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

so much sarcasm!!!!!!!!!!

just so you all know everybody who says anything good about macs is being sarcastic

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: deathkoba
The P4 Extreme Edition with Intel Extreme Graphics (IEG) is the BEST. As a Mac user, you should know that you get what you pay for.

going in the sig...this is the funniest quote i ever seen on these forums

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Somniferum

Originally posted by: deathkoba
Unless you have equal amount of experience of both platforms, your opinions do not count.

That's quite an arrogant and callow thing to say. Your subjective perception of another forum user's experience level has nothing to do with the validity of their opinion in a thread like this one.

Exactly. I had 25 years experience when I had one post. Now I have 27 years. I don't think my knowledge level wen up that much in 2 years more.

 

[piasabird]

The new MAC processors are Made by IBM.

I know this is a shocker.

Intel can not make their P4 design go much faster so they are just putting more cache memory on it.

If you want real speed get a 939 pin Athlon processor.


There was a report a while back by ATI. They stated that by using PCI Express and DDRII they can access memory as fast as normal cache memory today.

Nothing is wrong with a P4EE if you can afford it. If you really have the dough look for a solution with DDRII. Also you need a good video card.

You dont really need a hyper fast processor if you have a good video card.

 

[imported_Lucifer]

just so you all know everybody who says anything good about macs is being sarcastic

I'm just wondering. Why did you come up with this assumption?

To answer rshoemakers post:

o get back on the subject - why were you considering building a PC? Or did you give up on the idea? It can be fun and not difficult. If you want to game, experiment, learn about hardware, or experiment with different operating systems, then building your own is a good way to go.

I was wanting maybe a gaming machine, because my Mac cannot handle some games I want to play, such as Unreal Tournament 2004. Very jumpy on my Mac. I might just give up on it though. The reason is, I have others who like to play games too. My sister likes to play The Sims, and for some reason, they have to disable Norton to play it. They will use the PC for internet to, and forget to enable Norton, and eventually get Viruses. This happened to my bro's Home Built PC. He had Norton disabled for one day, because my sis was playing the Sims, and then she went on the internet. And the next day, his PC was infected by 8 viruses.

I want to comment on formulav8's post:

Mac people are just mad because they have only been able to brainwash 2% of the computer market to buy that overpriced under powered crap

And? So what if Apple has only 2% of the computer market. No one gets mad over this. That is just your opinion, something you cant back up. And when you say overpriced under powered crap, my 1GHz eMac can whoop an AMD Athlon 2000+ running at 2.07GHz, as I have done so already. The AMD Athlon, Duron, XP processors are processing data in 32 bit chunks, while the G4 and G5 processors have Altivec, meaning these processors can process data in 128 bit chunks. Want proof? Look it up. I am not bullshitting.

P.S. I am not trying to sound like an asshole or anything.

 

[Markfw]

I would keep the mac for everything else, and just get a PC for gaming. Don;t even bother with antivirus, don;t keep it hooked to the internet. Just game with it.

 

[calyco]

Thin Lizzy, like I said earlier all you need is a good firewall. The one I mentioned, Agnitum Outpost (and many other firewalls nowadays) will block attacks, viruses, trojans and spamware. It works so well I dont even need a antivirus app (I would recommend it though with auto protect turned off, just scan once in a a while and your good).

 

[Frew]

What is the deal with viruses. You are all blowing this way out of perportion. All you need is a hardware/software firewall and a decent virus protection software. And forget IE and use firefox. Will not get virus unless you start downloading random crap or from things like Kazaa.

 

[Lyfer]

Apples vs Oranges.


I like the citrus taste of oranges tho.