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imported_Lucifer

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Hey guys,

Our firewall of choice is Norton, because we have had a good experience with it. I purchased Internet Security which had the firewall and Antivirus. The Sims wont play with these enabled. And no one else other than me and my older bro knows how to enable it. No one else in my family knows how. So after they quit the sims, they go on the internet. As for Kazaa, we dont download anything from there.

Anyways, that Agnitum Outpost sounds very good. Is it free? If not, how much?

Thanks.
 

Childs

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*side stepping the Mac Vs PC thing*

A64 will give you better value for your money. If this is your first build, definitely stick to AMD. The new highend Prescotts are nothing but a pain in the ass if you don't have an 875 based motherboard and good cooling, which drives up the cost even more on an already expensive CPU. I wouldn't spend too much on a first build, as you may not be able to do it, and its money down the drain. I would suggest buying a cheap pre-made Dell or HP, and see if its something you would even use more than once.

But, back to the original topic. I'd go A64. The performance is about the same when you compare AMD's PR rating vs Intel's Ghz. AMD is generally a little bit better in games, but the differences are often small, not generational. Then it comes down to cost. Remember, you'll also need a video card thats good for games, hard drives, case, optical storage, keyboard/mouse, monitor, power supply, etc. All that stuff adds up.
 

Frew

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
Hey guys,

Our firewall of choice is Norton, because we have had a good experience with it. I purchased Internet Security which had the firewall and Antivirus. The Sims wont play with these enabled. And no one else other than me and my older bro knows how to enable it. No one else in my family knows how. So after they quit the sims, they go on the internet. As for Kazaa, we dont download anything from there.

Anyways, that Agnitum Outpost sounds very good. Is it free? If not, how much?

Thanks.

Isnt there a way to open certin ports with norton firewall?
 

imported_goku

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*Feels like floating on a cloud* Tis very happy that there are PC supporters here! Oh thank god, thank god for the people with brains that DONT have holes in them!
 

imported_Lucifer

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Isnt there a way to open certin ports with norton firewall?

Not that I know of. I should check this out.

Tis very happy that there are PC supporters here! Oh thank god, thank god for the people with brains that DONT have holes in them!

Ummm...... There are many many many PC supporters here. And who are the people with brains that have holes in them? Mac users?
 

calyco

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Thin Lizzy - there is a pro version you have to pay for and also a free one you can download. You can compare the two on Agnitum's site. I am using the pro version (has alot more features) but download the free one first and try it out.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Hi deviant03,

Thanks for your help. This program seems to be reputable. I am going to download the free one first, and if I like it, I will probably purchase it.

By the way, have you heard of SiSoft SANDRA?
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
I was wanting maybe a gaming machine, because my Mac cannot handle some games I want to play, such as Unreal Tournament 2004. Very jumpy on my Mac. I might just give up on it though. The reason is, I have others who like to play games too. My sister likes to play The Sims, and for some reason, they have to disable Norton to play it. They will use the PC for internet to, and forget to enable Norton, and eventually get Viruses. This happened to my bro's Home Built PC. He had Norton disabled for one day, because my sis was playing the Sims, and then she went on the internet. And the next day, his PC was infected by 8 viruses.

God I always hear this garbage mac people are ranting all the time "PCs get Viruses blah blah blah". Well FYI I have a computer I go on the internet all the time with NO Firewall and NO Antivirus scanner, and after about a year I STILL dont have any viruses or spyware. Yes I get the occasional tracking cookie but WHO CARES! I have ad-aware on my system and thats it. I run it once a month and the only things that get detected are tracking cookies. The only reason why IE is "soo horrible" is because people let it get horrible. Just like an improperly configured firewall, if a virus (trojan) requests to make an outbound connection and since your sooo used to clicking away at what ever pops up and you click ok, then that firewall is useless. Yes some things CAN be installed with out IE telling you but you know what you should do? CONFIGURE IT! Just to be on the safe side, I have it notify me every time a script wants to be run/downloaded. I have other machines where they are configured similarly but aren't notified about EVERYTHING and they still don't have any viruses. Some might say "well you probably have one right now and don't know about it" well thats what I started to get worried about after 7 months of doing this. So I spent about 5 hours scanning it remotely,over the internet and installing a virus scanner but none could be found. So I did a system restore and I have the system back to the way it was before I did all that scanning and installing. Also it helps to check MSCONFIG and looking in the registry for suspicious programs but thats border line paranoia. Every time I go to my cousin's house I dont even need a virus scanner, they have one but they don't update it. I search through MSCONFIG and the registry and I am able to pull out at least 9 viruses. Virus scanners are overrated, they were useful back in the day of crafty viruses or if you didn't know where to look for viruses. Virus detection is just plain common sense, I mean one time on my cousin's computer I found a file called Brasil.pif (Forgot wat virus it was) so I deleted it. Checked MS Config and found hundreds of these starting up. Removed it and that was the end of that.

To summ it up, yes PCs do have some holes to fix, but there are quite not as many holes as mac people claim there are. Anything improperly configured can get viruses or spyware or any of that other crap, but if you set it up right, its pretty good about keeping them out.

And thats my two cents.
 

imported_goku

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Yes most mac people have holes in their brains LOL! J/K But I think of mac people as children and when children grow up (if they ever do) they eventually get a PC like my history teacher.

(When I was an uninformed know it all kid, I used to use macs and thought they were cool. When I finally grew up, I got a pc.)

(Paraphrased my history teacher back in highschool I think 9th grade)
 

imported_Lucifer

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God I always hear this garbage mac people are ranting all the time "PCs get Viruses blah blah blah

Is it not ok for me to post specific experiences I have had with a PC? It is not only from mac users you will hear "PCs get Viruses blah blah blah." You will hear this from PC users too.

there are quite not as many holes as mac people claim there are.

Well, I happen to have never claimed something like this, nor have I heard of any of my mac friends say this either. You only assume this because you dislike Macs and people who use them.
 

Childs

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Originally posted by: goku2100
God I always hear this garbage mac people are ranting all the time "PCs get Viruses blah blah blah".

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To summ it up, yes PCs do have some holes to fix, but there are quite not as many holes as mac people claim there are. Anything improperly configured can get viruses or spyware or any of that other crap, but if you set it up right, its pretty good about keeping them out.

And thats my two cents.

And thats kinda why Mac people think its a big deal. Its a lot of work maintaining a secured PC, in a sense too much work. Not everyone likes to change the timing belt on their car before they drive to the market to get milk, and the same thing can be said about computers. I actually stopped using local email clients so I wouldnt have to deal with virii, and AV software. Use Firefox to stop popup windows and rogue activex BS. Set up a firewall to storm RPC attacks. And in general, I think of my PC as disposable because at any time it can get hosed for one reason or another thats not related to hardware.

Its inconvenient, and to a certain extent Mac users don't see why you would want to deal with those inconveniences when it should just work. May seem little to you because you deal with it all the time, but to someone who never really deals with it, its a big deal.
 

thirdlegstump

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You mean you guys don't smell a single ounce of sarcasm in my posts? Shame on you for not knowing that I don't take anything seriously. But this is true, I've owned about a dozen Mac's and have built about 100 PC's and currently have 5 home built PC's in the house.
 

imported_Lucifer

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But I think of mac people as children and when children grow up (if they ever do) they eventually get a PC like my history teacher.

How are mac users children? Explain this to me. Good for your history teacher for getting a PC. Thats his choice, but there are still many people who prefer using a mac, such as me. I may not ever switch to a PC, because of certain experiences I have had with them. But that doesnt mean that I will never grow up. It means I prefer a Mac, because I have had a better experience with them.
 

imported_goku

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No, infact my older sister uses macs because the company she is working with FORCED her to use a mac DESPITE having all the software on pc. Example : Flash, Dream Weaver, Photoshop etc. Terribly Sad. Thin lizzy, I guess Macs where the best way for YOU to go because your not an experienced PC user and OR you decided not to learn a thing about security. If everyone converts to the mac platform (as all mac ppl intend to have it) the it will be the whole 9X thing all over agian but this time YOU'LL be screwed over. We fixed our problems, thing is you guys haven't because there hasn't been a need to nor have there been people who try to. BTW they have anti virus scanners for macs.
 

thirdlegstump

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I also used to work as a photo retoucher for a pretty big photographer making $60/hr. If it weren't for owning a Mac running Photoshop, I wouldn't have gotten the job. These people blindly despise PC's.
 

Childs

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Originally posted by: goku2100
BTW they have anti virus scanners for macs.

And they are used to clean up PC virii. The virii don't work on a Mac, but the Mac becomes a carrier if its sent to someone else. Thats what the AV software if for.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Thin Lizzy
But I think of mac people as children and when children grow up (if they ever do) they eventually get a PC like my history teacher.

How are mac users children? Explain this to me. Good for your history teacher for getting a PC. Thats his choice, but there are still many people who prefer using a mac, such as me. I may not ever switch to a PC, because of certain experiences I have had with them. But that doesnt mean that I will never grow up. It means I prefer a Mac, because I have had a better experience with them.

Lol, same could be said for tandy users. There are the ones who got over themselves and got a pc or mac and OR they are still using that little tandy machine thats over 20 yrs old now! I think the children thing was already explained, just like a joke: if you dont get it, then its really not worth explaining.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
I also used to work as a photo retoucher for a pretty big photographer making $60/hr. If it weren't for owning a Mac running Photoshop, I wouldn't have gotten the job. These people blindly despise PC's.

Guess it happens all across the board, Hum.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: goku2100
BTW they have anti virus scanners for macs.

And they are used to clean up PC virii. The virii don't work on a Mac, but the Mac becomes a carrier if its sent to someone else. Thats what the AV software if for.

There ARE Mac viruses if you really look for them and Mac antivirus software usually do not recognize PC viruses.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: Childs
Originally posted by: goku2100
God I always hear this garbage mac people are ranting all the time "PCs get Viruses blah blah blah".

---

To summ it up, yes PCs do have some holes to fix, but there are quite not as many holes as mac people claim there are. Anything improperly configured can get viruses or spyware or any of that other crap, but if you set it up right, its pretty good about keeping them out.

And thats my two cents.

And thats kinda why Mac people think its a big deal. Its a lot of work maintaining a secured PC, in a sense too much work. Not everyone likes to change the timing belt on their car before they drive to the market to get milk, and the same thing can be said about computers. I actually stopped using local email clients so I wouldnt have to deal with virii, and AV software. Use Firefox to stop popup windows and rogue activex BS. Set up a firewall to storm RPC attacks. And in general, I think of my PC as disposable because at any time it can get hosed for one reason or another thats not related to hardware.

Its inconvenient, and to a certain extent Mac users don't see why you would want to deal with those inconveniences when it should just work. May seem little to you because you deal with it all the time, but to someone who never really deals with it, its a big deal.

yea but if mac people get thier way, they will have to face what some pc users face on a daily basis. Here is my basic windows setup: Internet explorer 6.0 SP1, Google toolbar, properly configured I.E, and All the latest Windows Updates. All I need to get on the internet (Of course others but thats not the point). Eventually (hopefull pretty soon) I plan on setting up a real hardware firewall between my internet connection and router (I dont depend on those crappy router firewalls). All is smooth sailing for me!
 

imported_Lucifer

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Thin lizzy, I guess Macs where the best way for YOU to go because your not an experienced PC user and OR you decided not to learn a thing about security

Actually, I grew up using PC's. I have been a PC user all my life. I switched to a Mac in Late December 03. And I have had a better experience with Macs.

We fixed our problems, thing is you guys haven't because there hasn't been a need to nor have there been people who try to.

And what is problems are you referring to?

If everyone converts to the mac platform (as all mac ppl intend to have it)

Where did you get this from? Is it because that since mac users tend to support THEIR platform, you assume that Mac users want everyone to switch to a mac?

BTW they have anti virus scanners for macs.

WHAT?? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? (sarcasm) I knew that already. The main reason for this Anti Virus is so you dont pass on any of the viruses to your PC buddies, and most of my friends are PC users. You scan whatever you want to send them, then you send it.
 

imported_goku

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Viruses on macs, guarantee you they have them dont be so delusional. I know people who have used PCs all their life too and you know what, when I was 8 I knew more than them, guarantee it. You know how? Because when I was 8 I was working on some computers in my dad's office and I fixed them, yet these people used them all thier lives. Saying that you have used computers all your life is not a very big deal, its what you have DONE all your life is what signifcant. I used computers when I was 3, but the time between 3 and 7 I didn't learn anything more really. Problems I am referring to are security holes, of course there are more, no platform is perfect but I can guarantee you that the mac platform has quite a few to find before you can call it "secure". Mac people support thier platform and give the whole mantra crap "ours is better blah blah blah, and more garbage", yes PC people do this as well but we don't have AD CAMPAIGNS AGIANST PCS FOR CHRIST SAKES! Mac people are full of themselves, I maybe stereo typing, but I have never in my life met a mac person that wasn't full of themselves and you seem to fit that category perfectly. Enjoy!

Edit: Changed them to it.
 

imported_Lucifer

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Viruses on macs, guarantee you they have them dont be so delusional.

Yes, we know there are viruses for macs, but chances of getting a virus on a PC is A LOT higher than on the mac. A person who has used a PC will have some experience with a PC, like me. I am not stupid when it comes to PC's. I have never said "Macs are better" but when you start bashing my platform, then I will bash yours. I dont like to, but if I have to, I will.

yes PC people do this as well but we don't have AD CAMPAIGNS AGIANST PCS FOR CHRIST SAKES

Neither do Mac people. You are making stuff up. And in what way do I seem to be full of myself? Because I defend my platform? You seem to be doing the same thing. Why arent you calling yourself full of yourself? You started bashing the mac first, so I can do the same by bashing your platform. I have the right to defend my platform.
 
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