People selling their 7970s?

[Zebo]

Did you actually read it?

AMD and Nvidia have a common issue, Nvidia is just being outspoken about it.

What this slide states — we can’t even call it a suggestion — is that smaller processes no longer improve yields by leading to a greater number of chips per wafer. Instead, the complexities and difficulties of manufacturing at the new process create a cost structure that provides precious little incentive to manufacture at the new process.

Lies. You'll see a new excuse when these 28nm cards are all cheap in a year and new expensive 28nm stuff is out. Bank on it.

Actually you can already see it and will see it sooner since the 7850 is NOT that much smaller than 680 and is cheap and will fall to $220 quickly.

They are just trying to make lots of money, nothing wrong with that - but don't whine to me about costs to justify it while making record profits.

 

[lavaheadache]

Definitely not selling

 

[skipsneeky2]

Definitely not selling

Same,i upped the fan on 2 of the 3 fans in my antec 300 from medium to high,made a fan profile for my 7970 so when it hits 75 cel being my max load temp,the fan hits 75%.

Running furmark for about 10 mins with my 7970 core at 1200 at 1237mv in trixx,my max load temp hit 76cel with a 75 degree ambient room.:thumbsup:

 

[Mopetar]

I can't decide if i should do that or not. I've got about a week left on the RMA, but is it worth trading out a 7950 for a 680 for casual gaming?

I mostly bought it for a four monitor setup, and gaming on a 60hz monitor with Vsync on whenever possible, where i thought the higher frame buffer and memory bandwidth would come in handy. It's already factory overclocked too, so i don't know weather or not the $450 i paid for it is worth RMA + restocking for the 680 performance edge.

If you were gaming more, I'd say maybe depending on what games you played most, but if you're not putting it to that much use I honestly wouldn't bother.

 

[mak360]

Lies. You'll see a new excuse when these 28nm cards are all cheap in a year and new expensive 28nm stuff is out. Bank on it.

Actually you can already see it and will see it sooner since the 7850 is NOT that much smaller than 680 and is cheap and will fall to $220 quickly.

They are just trying to make lots of money, nothing wrong with that - but don't whine to me about costs to justify it while making record profits.

I would say it’s definitely a suspicious leak, could be to condition people for the $700+, if we start getting leaks in a week/month or so of the big nVidia chip, we know what’s going down “nVidia marketing”.



I think prices could come down once yields are good (so far it don`t look so good)

 

[DarkKnightDude]

I'm not selling mine. Switching to a 680 would be a sidegrade for me.

 

[kidsafe]

Lies. You'll see a new excuse when these 28nm cards are all cheap in a year and new expensive 28nm stuff is out. Bank on it.

Actually you can already see it and will see it sooner since the 7850 is NOT that much smaller than 680 and is cheap and will fall to $220 quickly.

They are just trying to make lots of money, nothing wrong with that - but don't whine to me about costs to justify it while making record profits.

It's moreso that mobile chips are eating into TSMC's production capacity. Guess who makes all those Tegra 3s for Nvidia? Guess what space (discrete graphics or mobile SoC) Nvidia cares about more moving forward?

 

[Lepton87]

It's moreso that mobile chips are eating into TSMC's production capacity. Guess who makes all those Tegra 3s for Nvidia? Guess what space (discrete graphics or mobile SoC) Nvidia cares about more moving forward?

Tegra3 is still 40nm so it doesn't use 28nm capacity

 

[nanaki333]

i may be selling mine if somebody doesn't figure out what's causing my random lock issues with 7970s in crossfire.

i would hate to lose my 3 display support though. even when i game on just 1 display, i usually have a movie or something going on 1 display, and reading IM's, emails that come in, etc; while playing a game.

 

[Don Karnage]

This is the exact opposite of the truth. The 7K series chips run pretty cool (mine averages mid 50's under full load) and they OC like crazy.


As for prices, I highly doubt AMD will drop their prices much any time soon. The GTX680 is a bit faster, but the current quantities are so low then unless people want to wait around for ages, they will just go by an AMD thats in stock.

Not true at all. There's no point in buying a 7970 at its current pricing tier when the GTX 680 is faster and cheaper. People will wait. Look at newegg for example. They currently have 10 HD 7970 models in stock

 

[nanaki333]

Not true at all. There's no point in buying a 7970 at its current pricing tier when the GTX 680 is faster and cheaper. People will wait. Look at newegg for example. They currently have 10 HD 7970 models in stock

and when the 7970 first launched, it was sold out everywhere right away. the 7970 was killing it across the board, so of course everyone wanted it.

the 680 is cheaper and slightly faster, so of course it is ALSO having a good launch. it's the latest and greatest and a better price, so of course it's sold out.

 

[Topweasel]

It's moreso that mobile chips are eating into TSMC's production capacity. Guess who makes all those Tegra 3s for Nvidia? Guess what space (discrete graphics or mobile SoC) Nvidia cares about more moving forward?

Even if that was true that Nvidia was worried about Tegra3 production, which they are not. No way is Nvidia sacrificing discrete GPU manufacturing to do so. It's still not a high enough volume, margin is shit, and ASP is equally not great.

 

[Keysplayr]

People are trying to unload them before AMD starts dropping prices.

Winner.

 

[Zebo]

It's moreso that mobile chips are eating into TSMC's production capacity. Guess who makes all those Tegra 3s for Nvidia? Guess what space (discrete graphics or mobile SoC) Nvidia cares about more moving forward?

Sure. But what they don't show in that slide is they make 2x the chips off that more expensive wafer.

But basically I don't like whiners about costs that try and sell me something. It is what it is. I'll buy or not buy based on my value system.

Doesnt it feel kinda swapmeetish scummy salesmanish to you to do that?

I have a couple liquor stores and would never say "hey you know how much this costs" as I raise my prices. I just do it if margins are too razor thin or it's real popular. Take it or leave it. With a smile of course.

 

[santz]

i am still very happy with my Q6600 and Gigabyte 6950

 

[SlowSpyder]

The GTX680 is a very solid part, it bests the 7970 in most ways that matter. But, I can't imagine anyone would actually be able to tell a difference between the two, 10% better frame rates over a card that can already max just about anything on a single monitor does not provide that different of an experience. And the cards seem to even out once overclocking is figured in. It is odd to me that someone would sell a 7970 for a GTX680, but new nerd toys are hard to resist, I guess.

 

[vollman1]

i am still very happy with my Q6600 and Gigabyte 6950

You know its funny that you mention the 6950 when AMD took all of them off the market before the 7xxxs came out.

Makes me think that they will indeed keep prices high on these newer cards since there is no real alternative. Is there?

 

[Jovec]

You know its funny that you mention the 6950 when AMD took all of them off the market before the 7xxxs came out.

Makes me think that they will indeed keep prices high on these newer cards since there is no real alternative. Is there?

Prices will move when they are no longer supply constrained. AMD isn't going to sell too many 7970s at $550 if Nvidia can keep the 680 in stock at $500.

 

[Leyawiin]

The fact that the GTX 680 isn't the top card and Nvidia is holding that ace up its sleeve might have something to do with some people selling. Unload while you can still get a decent price and all.

 

[lavaheadache]

The fact that the GTX 680 isn't the top card and Nvidia is holding that ace up its sleeve might have something to do with some people selling. Unload while you can still get a decent price and all.

They aren't holding it up their sleeve. It isn't ready.

 

[nitromullet]

You know its funny that you mention the 6950 when AMD took all of them off the market before the 7xxxs came out.

Makes me think that they will indeed keep prices high on these newer cards since there is no real alternative. Is there?

It makes sense they would do this. The 7870/50 are drop in replacements (price/performance) to the 6970/50 card.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Prod...3.409.413.412.414.415.416.417.418.419.420.421

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Prod...3.409.413.412.414.415.416.417.418.419.420.421

If retailers had a bunch of 6900s on their shelves they would just have to slash prices to move them. Of course the down side to this is that the 7800s literally don't budge the price/performance value one bit over the 6900s, which is really what we should be seeing with a new generation/die shrink.

With regards to the people selling their 7970s, I've been of the opinion that some of the overclocking headroom for these cards has been exaggerated a bit. My guess is that the people who are selling theirs now are the guys you didn't see bragging in forums about their OCs because their cards are relative 'duds'. Either that, or there is some other reason they aren't totally satisfied with the card (noise? drivers?). Perhaps they all play BF3?

Taking just the benchmark results into account for stock vs. stock, there really isn't a compelling reason to sell a 7970 for a loss to pick up a GTX 680. I think there are other reasons some people have. Obviously, someone selling their card isn't going to tell they don't like it or that it's a crap over clocker...

Just a guess on my part of course. Due to the nature of this type of thing, we'll probably never know the real reason people appear to be migrating from the 7970 to the GTX 680. Maybe they really aren't migrating at all anyway. Perhaps there are just a few enthusiasts that want to make the switch and it caught out attention.

 

[Carmen813]

Ppl is actually willing to lose ~150$ per card to pick another that averages 10% better performance and won't change their gameplay at all.

/thread

Unless you got a 3d vision monitor like me...

Someone buy this thing!

 

[3DVagabond]

Lies. You'll see a new excuse when these 28nm cards are all cheap in a year and new expensive 28nm stuff is out. Bank on it.

Actually you can already see it and will see it sooner since the 7850 is NOT that much smaller than 680 and is cheap and will fall to $220 quickly.

They are just trying to make lots of money, nothing wrong with that - but don't whine to me about costs to justify it while making record profits.

I agree with you. It's called, "The Blame Game". Politicians and CEO's play it all of the time. This is just blaming the Fab for either the inability to design chips that will yield on the process, or, not wanting consumers to realize just how much money you're making.

One point of contention with your post though, You can't compare top bin parts (GTX-680) with harvested parts(HD-7850). "In theory" anything you get for salvaged chips is profit, as the cost of the wafer is applied to the fully functioning chips.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I'm not selling. My 7970 overclocks well (I still haven't seen an overclocked comparison between the 680 and 7970).

And it would cost me money to "upgrade" for extra performance I'm only going to see in benchmarks. I upgraded from a 5870 because my 7970 offered 2x the performance at stock. I won't be upgrading again until another single-GPU card offers near 2x the performance of my 7970.

I'll probably do a complete overhaul sometime in 2015. Console ports keep my rig more than powerful enough for any game I want to play.

 

[Axon]

I'm not selling. My 7970 overclocks well (I still haven't seen an overclocked comparison between the 680 and 7970).

Dubs, check em: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_gtx680_review/8