Check out some card stats for failure....AMD isnt doing as well as NV...sorry.
http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24543
- PNY 1.2% (against 1.1%)
- ASUS 1.3% (against 0.9%)
- Zotac 1.4%
- Sapphire 1.5% (against 1.8%)
- Club 3D 1.6% (against 2.2%)
- Gainward 1.6% (against 1.5%)
- Gigabyte 2.5% (against 1.7%)
- MSI 2.9% (against 1.7%)
- XFX 3.0% (against 2.4%)
ASUS and PNY swap places here as a result of the higher ASUS returns rate. Zotac has entered the classification in a respectable position, while Sapphire and Club 3D have both improved their scores. The rates for Gigabyte on the other hand, and above all MSI, are up a good deal and XFX is still in last place with an even worse average than before. Overall the numbers are acceptable, but three models have returns rates of at least 5%:
- 7.0%: Gigabyte GV-R587UD-1GD
- 7.0%: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870
- 5.0%: ASUS EAH5870/2DIS/1GD5/V2
The three models are all based on the Radeon HD 5870! Here are the stats by GPU:
- Radeon HD 5770: 2.0%
- Radeon HD 5830: 2.5%
- Radeon HD 5850: 5.5%
- Radeon HD 5870: 5.0%
- Radeon HD 5970: 10.9%
- GeForce GTS 250: 1.6%
- GeForce GTX 460: 2.4%
- GeForce GTX 465: 3.4%
- GeForce GTX 470: 4.7%
- GeForce GTX 480: 3.0%
This confirms the Radeon HD 5870’s poor showing. The Radeon HD 5850 also does badly. Six months ago, the two solutions were at 3.2-3.4%! The Radeon HD 5970 is a very fragile card as is often the case with bi-GPU cards. None of the NVIDIA solutions are over 5% and the GeForce GTX 480 has a rate of just 3%, which is a very good score for a high end card.
I love the post you quoted from and his constant passive aggressive jabs at AMD, and then his paranoid delusional conspiracy theories about how everyone is a shill and they're out to get him. I just can't stop laughing every time I read posts on that board :thumbsup:
Also if you click the actual link it has a top 5 GPUs returned. Not that I care but their conclusion may be slightly different.
I love the post you quoted from and his constant passive aggressive jabs at AMD, and then his paranoid delusional conspiracy theories about how everyone is a shill and they're out to get him. I just can't stop laughing every time I read posts on that board :thumbsup:
Also if you click the actual link it has a top 5 GPUs returned. Not that I care but their conclusion may be slightly different.
Just so you know, Apoppin indeed did not at any time indicate that it was due to failure (he only typed one SHORT sentence, look again: http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24543 ).In fact, Apoppin, among many others, seems to make the same skewed, misguided mistake in trying to take return rates for various hardware components as failure rates. Those stats do NOT indicate failure rates, only returns....for any reason.
As Apoppin, again like others here in the U.S., fails to realize the European consumer has much more liberal protection laws in effect for them, their ability to return products for any reason is much more liberal/easier than it is in the U.S.
So, a consumer can purchase an item, like a video card or power supply, receive it, find a "hot deal" on the same item three months down the road, buy the "hot deal" and return the original purchase without any problems. And that return is counted....not as a failure but simply as a return, which that stat sheet counts. Returns for ANY REASON. There is no indication anywhere in those stats that differentiates for failures vs. buyer's remorse, better pricing, etc.
Another scenario that would count as a return. Consumer buys "X" video card and it ships. But in the meantime, that same consumer finds the same card used on a forum for 1/2 the retail price, so he buys the used one (since in the Euro. community, warranties transfer), and when the new one arrives, he refuses delivery and the card is returned to the seller.
This, also counts as a return and will show up in that stat sheet. Was it a failure? No, as it was never opened or used in any way. But it counts as a return.
So, those stats really have little meaning, esp. when trying to determine failure rates of pieces/brands of hardware.
But, you get some who try to equate them to mean failure rates.....when the "need" suits them. And for those who don't know or understand the consumer protection laws in Europe, the return rates may seem to equate to failure rates......but that's only for the unwashed and uneducated or for those with an axe to grind.
Someone with even two functioning brain cells, though, will see right through such smoke screens and see those return rates for what they are.....returns for ANY REASON. And as I said before, no breakout for failures is made or implied in those stats except by those with an agenda to make or an axe to grind.
Sorry but I cannot figure out what you are referring to (top 5 GPUs returned). Tried checking the links (http://www.behardware.com/articles/831-5/components-returns-rates.html ), etc.. Care to enlighten me on that? I only see the top 3 models returned, which are HD 5870s, and also the top 5 brands are (in order from worst to less worse are:
XFX
MSI
Gigabyte
Gainward
Club3D
Sorry but I cannot figure out what you are referring to (top 5 GPUs returned). Tried checking the links (http://www.behardware.com/articles/831-5/components-returns-rates.html ), etc.. Care to enlighten me on that? I only see the top 3 models returned, which are HD 5870s, and also the top 5 brands are (in order from worst to less worse are:
XFX
MSI
Gigabyte
Gainward
Club3D
Just so you know, Apoppin indeed did not at any time indicate that it was due to failure (he only typed one SHORT sentence, look again: http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24543 ).
We can see in the above link that Apoppin did not characterize a card as "fragile" or anything like that. It was actually the BeHardware article itself that said that.I did look, and when you characterize a card as "fragile", you're implying it breaks easily, which is what the term fragile means. So Apoppin is left handedly implying the AMD cards are being returned as failures. Of course, his anti-AMD and pro-Nvidia stance is as well known as Charlie's anti-Nvidia and pro-AMD stance is.
So, possibly another explanation is that AMD sells more than Nvidia in Europe so would naturally have more returns for any reason? Just as reasonable an explanation as calling cards fragile. More sales=more returns.
I love the post you quoted from and his constant passive aggressive jabs at AMD, and then his paranoid delusional conspiracy theories about how everyone is a shill and they're out to get him. I just can't stop laughing every time I read posts on that board :thumbsup:
Also if you click the actual link it has a top 5 GPUs returned. Not that I care but their conclusion may be slightly different.
Tell me about it. He's at the point now where he is saying some damming things about IDC. It's even funnier seeing BoFox come here and defend ABT, only to run back and report on his trolling efforts.
Place is definitely a joke. The circle jerkings going over there are amusing. You should read BoFox's draft article. LOL!
Of course saying this, I'm sure I'd be classified as a shill. Funny how if we don't agree with them we're instantly AMD shills. Irony, they should look up the word.
/threadIf you wish to discuss this more, perhaps you should open a new topic on this after doing OT posts on rage-related issues.
What brand is your card out of curiosity? I have not had a single issue with mine. What you describe doesnt really sound like a driver issue. Sounds more like a hardware issue.
Msi oc edition based on the reference design,rc11 drivers with the card at 1125/1575 at 1174mv,rebooting the machine fixed it but why it happened is beyond me still.
The core was sitting at 501mhz when it did this as well,but idle gpu usage but 3d game type loading voltage with furmark type pull numbers temp wise.
Even ran furmark hoping it would unstick it and no go,only the reboot did it.
I am starting to think about doing this too.
I have not gamed all day nor put any sort of 3d load on my card,but i was sitting around googling stuff,when i heard my fan ramp up,so i check and see my card right up at 96cel ,fan at 25%,vddc sitting at 1.158...thats higher then a game load voltage,and i had booted up the machine this morning.
Why it decided to do that is beyond me,my machine stays on quite often so luckily i was in the room to catch it doing this,i even ramped up the fan to 100% dropped it to 60cel,dropped the speed down to 25% and watched it hit 80cel in less then a few mins,no game or app running,idle gpu usage.
No idea why.
The difference in performance is not worth selling, losing money, and going 680.
It's not like the 7970 is a slouch. (It O/C's like a champ too)
Used 7970's are going for around $420-440 on the net. Weren't they $499 new?
No idea why.
The difference in performance is not worth selling, losing money, and going 680.
It's not like the 7970 is a slouch. (It O/C's like a champ too)
Used 7970's are going for around $420-440 on the net. Weren't they $499 new?
Bitcoin miner virus or something like that? There's a lot of them lately. In fact at least 2 pirate releases of Mass Effect 3 have it.
No pirated software of any kind here,nor bitcoin programs.
Prob just a freak incident but it has me on high alert.
For hard capping the TDP limit? Meh, I'd rather have the option to risk my hardware on big clocks than to be limited like we are now with the 680.
AMD didn't do anything special, they simply limited your max OC potential through a driver controlled TDP cap not unlike what we see with the 680, except Nvidia is trying to get everything they can out of their limit, while AMD hard capped it and didn't change clocks based on actual TDP.
That's my take on it anyways.
If thats the case then it is for the better, cards such as the 570 [and the Gtx680 believe it or not] only have 4 VRMs on them...If the 680 is like the 570, then the VRMs are a kitten. TPD limits will keep that in check though unlike the 570 which would destroy itself with a small vcore increase.
That is not an intelligent purchasing decision, it's simply a kid in a candy store holding a $20 bill or giving a hot shallow girl your credit card at Nostrums. These are people who have to have the best and latest. Barnum called them suckers.
680 is a great card no doubt but not worth the hassle and cost of liquidating another great card for nominal gain.
Wrong thread/section/derailing/everything wrong...
But uh, this is pretty epic..
SSDs:
- 6.7%: OCZ Agility 2 120 GB
- 3.7%: OCZ Agility 2 60 GB
- 3.6%: OCZ Agility 2 40 GB
- 3.5%: OCZ Agility 2 90 GB
- 3.5%: OCZ Vertex 2 240 GB
Still lower than hard drives 16% for the Seagate drive.