people who kill themselves: ?

[zCypher]

Thank you for your entertainment, ATOT.

People who kill themselves... Well, which ones? I think they definitely don't all go in the same category. A kamikaze and suicidal emo-kid type that goes too far would be two totally different people. Some people it's a cry for attention, others might have lives so horrible that death may be a release.

As to what happens.... Well, you will find out sooner or later.

 

[compuwiz1]

He's asking this question for a reason? :roll:

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Apart from Moses in all likelihood never having existed, the Jews never having been enslaved in Egypt and Moses not even being the founder of Christianity, you're entirely correct.

except that many pieces of archaeology also indicate that it did... archaeology is so open to interpretation that its usefulness is debatable.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Apart from Moses in all likelihood never having existed, the Jews never having been enslaved in Egypt and Moses not even being the founder of Christianity, you're entirely correct.

except that many pieces of archaeology also indicate that it did... archaeology is so open to interpretation that its usefulness is debatable.

Considering that there's a debate as to the author, I'd say you're correct. Job, Elihu, Moses and Solomon are all candidates.

 

[lyssword]

Like there weren't been other mythologies of norse, greek, egyptian that go as far back as 6000 bc. You're forgetting asian religions, african and native american as well. There have been many religions/beliefs going back 6000 years.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

oooo fiesty when your drunk

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Well, I can answer for myself with "I accomplished something by NOT inventing a stupid fucking religion".

How exactly can you just say it has a nonzero chance of being true? What the hell kind of method of research and repeatable experimentation did you use to get the data and evidence that can back up this claim? WHERE'S the data and evidence??

... Or did you just shit some words out and plaster them on the internet? <3

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what do you think happens to them?

why do you go try it and find out.

report back here with your results

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

oooo fiesty when your drunk

nm

 

[moshquerade]

Stop contemplating this stuff

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

Its funnier when people get their panties in a wad over people who believe in religion.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

:laugh:

:thumbsup:

 

[Scouzer]

I hurd in the bible Emperor Purgatorious III beats them to death for eternity

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Well, I can answer for myself with "I accomplished something by NOT inventing a stupid fucking religion".

How exactly can you just say it has a nonzero chance of being true? What the hell kind of method of research and repeatable experimentation did you use to get the data and evidence that can back up this claim? WHERE'S the data and evidence??

... Or did you just shit some words out and plaster them on the internet? <3

If you think religion needs proof in order that you should believe in it, you have no understanding of religion at all.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sao123
If you think religion needs proof in order that you should believe in it, you have no understanding of religion at all.

Text

Right. You have to go door to door and talk about jesus and tell everyone how to live their lives and how their sinning and badger everyone on the planet about it in the hope that you're right.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: sao123
its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

I didn't realise Judaism was such a big hit nowadays...

Oh wait...

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Like there weren't been other mythologies of norse, greek, egyptian that go as far back as 6000 bc. You're forgetting asian religions, african and native american as well. There have been many religions/beliefs going back 6000 years.

http://www.adherents.com/images/rel_pie.gif

 

[alkemyst]

they join TFNN.

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

According to the Baltimore Cathecism (wow did i butcher the spelling there...) the will to live is present in people who are mentally healthy. In order to end one's own life there must be some sort of mental illness there, and that gets taken into account.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Yup, this is one of those few threads that went EXACTLY where I thought it would.
All we need now is the P&N crowd and we'll have ourselves a royal bitch-fest.

yep...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget


Wow, you fail. Have you ever actually studied theology?

Have you ever studied homeopathy? Have you ever studied chiropractic? Have you ever studied alchemy?

Why would I waste my time studying a flawed belief system? I'm sure they spent a lot of time trying to re-adjust their quackery to fall in line with science but it's still nonsense nonetheless.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MovingTarget


Wow, you fail. Have you ever actually studied theology?

Have you ever studied homeopathy? Have you ever studied chiropractic? Have you ever studied alchemy?

Why would I waste my time studying a flawed belief system? I'm sure they spent a lot of time trying to re-adjust their quackery to fall in line with science but it's still nonsense nonetheless.

Do you not see the problem in calling something flawed while admitting you have not "wasted [your] time" learning anything about it?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Perknose


Beliefs of every stripe are just that, beliefs, based on suppostions that can't be PROVEN, which is ispo facto why they are called beliefs and not facts.

You are making the incorrect assumption that beliefs cannot be proven. Back in Galileo's day the fact that the planets orbited our sun was considered nothing more than a heretical belief. Yet that belief was ultimately proven to be correct. On the other hand, you have people who believe things which are incorrect, such as those who believe that the moon landings were faked. They still believe that even though it's false.

 

[Sea Moose]

people who kill themselves are selfish and should talk to a shrink

(who will tell them to STOP IT)

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sao123

My motivation is simple: to spend eternity with Jesus Christ in heaven, as opposed to in a lake of fire for eternal punishment.

Do you realize just how ridiculous and primitive that sounds?