people who kill themselves: ?

[JohnCU]

what do you think happens to them?

 

[cKGunslinger]

They die.

 

[CptCrunch]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what do you think happens to them?

they die?

EDIT: Time warp, OP is below

 

[Sea Moose]

they die

 

[SlitheryDee]

I can't figure out what you're asking.

 

[JohnCU]

god damn, useless posts are useless

 

[SirChadwick]

Is this supposed to be a hint at a religious thread?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
god damn, useless posts are useless

As are questions of the same variety.

 

[JohnCU]

indeed

 

[Sea Moose]

or they fail, live and are condemned to a crazy house

 

[Safeway]

Hell? Sea of Despair like in What Dreams May Come?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Are you waiting for someone to say that they go to hell to burn for all eternity?

Well that's what they do, because God hates quitters...and women, and gays, and pork, and progress, and Friday nights, and evolution, and good sex, and self-satisfaction. Game on.

 

[Clair de Lune]

They cease to exist.

 

[Nik]

After they die? The get burried and simply cease to exist on a sentient plane.

 

[MovingTarget]

An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

 

[KLin]

Is this just for purely academic purposes?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

 

[thepd7]

Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

ya, really, he's slipping. He waited far too long to crack the first one!

*cracks another

cheers john!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have my finger crossed, that they are re-incarnated as dung beetles.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Nik


It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

The relationship between faith and reason is a very complicated one. Being part of the church (or any organized religion) should not strip one's ability to think rationally for themselves. It is true that nobody knows what happens to you after death aside from what is physically observable (worm food). However, if you postulate that existence is more than a mere physical one, it opens up a lot more questions. If you try to frame such a question in purely scientific terms, you really seem to be putting blinders on yourself (imho).

One could easily frame the question in terms of ethics/philosophy. Is sucide morally wrong? If so, why and to what extent? You don't necessarily have to jump to theology to answerr the question. Even so, you are left with the same use of appealing to 'evidence' of something not physically measurable - a sense of ethincs/morality/right/wrong. You cannot restrict yourself to a purely scientific mindset here either. However, reason/logic plays just as important a role. You cannot separate reason from any way you frame the question.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

The relationship between faith and reason is a very complicated one.

It's really not complicated at all. The more humans learn about science and reason the less they rely on religion. In fact, the church did nothing but obstruct science with an iron fist for hundreds of years.

Religion is a crutch for people who either don't want to think or are too afraid to accept the unknown.

The feelings of confliction and complication only enter the picture when one begins to realize that the beliefs they've been taught not to question may not be true.