Phenom

[youph]

I can't believe there are 0 topics about the new AMD architecture. Me I am super stoked about this. I am a huge fan of AMD and can not wait to see the day when AMD can finally have a superior CPU to intel.

Come on guys WTF where is the love.

 

[soydios]

We haven't seen any concrete benchmarks yet for it. Architectural details are there, but again, we don't know how well they work in anything other than synthetic AMD-sponsored benchmarks.
Also, AMD sorta let us down on the R600 launch, so they'd better make up for it with Phenom/Barcelona/Agena.

 

[Borealis7]

poeple dont care.

everyone is already stocked up with C2Ds or will be after the July price drop and less poeple are shopping around for processors.

but its a cycle, and Phenom's turn will come.
last summer, everyone was talking abuot the Geforce 880GTX and the E6xxx line.
once all the buzz arond the 8800 cooled down, Intel brought the E4300 and everyone was talking about it, trying to get it to perform better than X6xxx CPUs.
that died down after a while, the G84 had its 15 minutes of shame, and then came the R600. everyone was talking about the R600 but these days the P35 is taking a decent share of spotlight.

personally, i think that MoBos are where its at these days. Video scene is quite dead and CPUs come in second thanks to Intel spouting out 100$ processors that can OC like foggetabout't (also related to MoBos)

so head on over to the Motherboards forum and join the party.

 

[myocardia]

I might get interested, if they'd actually produce some silicon, and get it into a few people's hands, so we could actually see what it will do. Until then, Intel has my attention, at least concerning cpu's.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: youph
I can't believe there are 0 topics about the new AMD architecture. Me I am super stoked about this. I am a huge fan of AMD and can not wait to see the day when AMD can finally have a superior CPU to intel.

Come on guys WTF where is the love.

Intel created buzz about the C2D by releasing benchmark information early to get everyone excited. AMD is keeping their mouths shut. Not much to talk about. They took an Athlon core and made it more "core-like" and won't tell us how it will perform and won't give us a concrete release date. And they botched the R600 launch. AMD hasn't left us with much to talk about.

 

[Noubourne]

Originally posted by: youph
I can't believe there are 0 topics about the new AMD architecture. Me I am super stoked about this. I am a huge fan of AMD and can not wait to see the day when AMD can finally have a superior CPU to intel.

Come on guys WTF where is the love.

By "finally" do you mean the 3 years preceeding the C2D launch?

And since you seem to be confused, every thread with the word Barcelona in the title is about the Phenom.

 

[kojiro82]

I don't think AMD will be much of a threat as well. They're losing the marketshare they've worked so hard to get. If Phenom was to be phenomenal (couldn't resist) they would be releasing some sort of benchmarks announcing their superiority.

I too was all for AMD, but I'm a performance fan first, and Intel has my nod.
Sure these have come in cycles in the past, but it seems like Intel is being smart this time. Instead of using marketing gimicks to sell their chips their performance is doing so, and their price cuts have not let up.

AMD needs to revamp the whole CPU scene such as including a graphics core within a multi-core chip for themselves to come back on top again. AMD was innovative with their K8 architecture, now they need to be innovative again, and not just fine tuning the same thing because fabrication-wise, Intel has them beat.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: kojiro82
...
AMD needs to revamp the whole CPU scene such as including a graphics core within a multi-core chip for themselves to come back on top again. AMD was innovative with their K8 architecture, now they need to be innovative again, and not just fine tuning the same thing because fabrication-wise, Intel has them beat.

What's weird about that in a way is we already have motherboards with integrated video. So, why is it supposed to be revolutionary to have a GPU on a CPU?

 

[Regs]

There's nothing to talk about. There is not even a concrete release date. We are left with doubts and possibilities and frankly im sick of trying to think of any.

The other reason is that their is no sense of urgency. Everybody is settled into core duo and most say that if they knew all the new 3D games were going to be delayed until later this year they would of never wasted the money. DX10 is what we are more urgently waiting for.

Right now im playing Medieval 2 @ 1600x1200 with my 3 year old 7800GT. I don't need a 8800GTX with a 6600 CD. Though I do have a 550 watt seasonic waiting and ready.

When Quake Wars, Allen Wake, and Cyrsis shows up, you will likely see the forums turn on fire.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan

Originally posted by: kojiro82
...
AMD needs to revamp the whole CPU scene such as including a graphics core within a multi-core chip for themselves to come back on top again. AMD was innovative with their K8 architecture, now they need to be innovative again, and not just fine tuning the same thing because fabrication-wise, Intel has them beat.

What's weird about that in a way is we already have motherboards with integrated video. So, why is it supposed to be revolutionary to have a GPU on a CPU?

You mean "Fusion" from AMD? As it stands today the GPU and CPU work independently using an external bus. AMD plans to form the GPU and CPU together behind a wall of cache and a single memory controller.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=3

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: Regs
When Quake Wars, Allen Wake, and Cyrsis shows up, you will likely see the forums turn on fire.

When Unreal Tournament 3 comes out I be everyone will be running to their nearest computer shop to get a quad core. :Q

 

[aigomorla]

no thank you.

Welcome Penryn and Yorksfield.

You guys can stay on native quadcores. I'll be running octos soon.

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan

Originally posted by: kojiro82
...
AMD needs to revamp the whole CPU scene such as including a graphics core within a multi-core chip for themselves to come back on top again. AMD was innovative with their K8 architecture, now they need to be innovative again, and not just fine tuning the same thing because fabrication-wise, Intel has them beat.

What's weird about that in a way is we already have motherboards with integrated video. So, why is it supposed to be revolutionary to have a GPU on a CPU?

You mean "Fusion" from AMD? As it stands today the GPU and CPU work independently using an external bus. AMD plans to form the GPU and CPU together behind a wall of cache and a single memory controller.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=3

didnt microsoft try to do that a while back ago. A fusion of game software with hardware.

OH YEAH ITS CALLED XBOX.

If AMD does do this, they might as well goto the console world.


As it stands, AMD has no chance in the server world. Who would buy a phenom when you can get a yorkie. Also when it boils down to it, if they want the gamers market, they might as well move to consoles. For the PC and Computer arena, ATI/AMD is getting hit very hard.

And for me personally, it all boils down to which system will produce the most WCG Bionic Points at the end of the day.

Lets not start at how badly my Xeon is pwning a dual FX system. And a Yorkie with twice the cores of a AMD counterpart will win regardless of how well phenom arch is setup. And i highly doubt phenom's clock/performance is 2x yorkie.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
didnt microsoft try to do that a while back ago. A fusion of game software with hardware.

OH YEAH ITS CALLED XBOX.

If AMD does do this, they might as well goto the console world.

No, the XBOX/XBOX 360 have a "normal" cpu, along with a "normal" gpu. And Fusion isn't meant for the desktop (at least for the time being); it's for laptops, where it actually makes a bit of sense, especially with the cheaper laptops.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Fusion is actually a pretty good idea; it will allow your CPU to use a processing engine that can do floating point operations as well as a graphics card, which is a huge benefit as they are many times faster at that than current CPU's.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
Fusion is actually a pretty good idea; it will allow your CPU to use a processing engine that can do floating point operations as well as a graphics card, which is a huge benefit as they are many times faster at that than current CPU's.

in theory...

But i have yet to see a fusion system up, or even a demo or a sneak peak at these screenies.

If you have some data, please post as i am interested in this for a gaming machine.

But my servers, and WCG Farm, will stay intel. As i said, theres no way a phenom can put out 2x per clock of what a yorkie can.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
Fusion is actually a pretty good idea; it will allow your CPU to use a processing engine that can do floating point operations as well as a graphics card, which is a huge benefit as they are many times faster at that than current CPU's.

in theory...

But i have yet to see a fusion system up, or even a demo or a sneak peak at these screenies.

If you have some data, please post as i am interested in this for a gaming machine.

But my servers, and WCG Farm, will stay intel. As i said, theres no way a phenom can put out 2x per clock of what a yorkie can.

I said it's a good idea, as in concept.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500
Fusion is actually a pretty good idea; it will allow your CPU to use a processing engine that can do floating point operations as well as a graphics card, which is a huge benefit as they are many times faster at that than current CPU's.

in theory...

But i have yet to see a fusion system up, or even a demo or a sneak peak at these screenies.

If you have some data, please post as i am interested in this for a gaming machine.

But my servers, and WCG Farm, will stay intel. As i said, theres no way a phenom can put out 2x per clock of what a yorkie can.

I said it's a good idea, as in concept.

yeah.... AMD's been having a lot of these.. Only problem is they cant pull them off at the promised time.

Kinda funny how 2 yrs ago, people would flame someone for speaking such about AMD. Now all we can do is just shake our head.

 

[youph]

party poopers

well i think quad and octo core AMD cpus with a shared L3 sounds sexy

 

[sayNOtoFSB]

Read today's dailytech blog and be happy.

http://www.dailytech.com/Kanter+AMD+Wil...oor+with+Intel+for+HPC/article7338.htm
http://www.dailytech.com/DailyTech+Digest+Intel+Price+Cuts/article7312.htm
learn what AMD is cooking for you:
http://multicore.amd.com/us-en/quadcore/

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
no thank you.

Welcome Penryn and Yorksfield.

You guys can stay on native quadcores. I'll be running octos soon.

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan

Originally posted by: kojiro82
...
AMD needs to revamp the whole CPU scene such as including a graphics core within a multi-core chip for themselves to come back on top again. AMD was innovative with their K8 architecture, now they need to be innovative again, and not just fine tuning the same thing because fabrication-wise, Intel has them beat.

What's weird about that in a way is we already have motherboards with integrated video. So, why is it supposed to be revolutionary to have a GPU on a CPU?

You mean "Fusion" from AMD? As it stands today the GPU and CPU work independently using an external bus. AMD plans to form the GPU and CPU together behind a wall of cache and a single memory controller.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=3

didnt microsoft try to do that a while back ago. A fusion of game software with hardware.

OH YEAH ITS CALLED XBOX.

If AMD does do this, they might as well goto the console world.


As it stands, AMD has no chance in the server world. Who would buy a phenom when you can get a yorkie. Also when it boils down to it, if they want the gamers market, they might as well move to consoles. For the PC and Computer arena, ATI/AMD is getting hit very hard.

And for me personally, it all boils down to which system will produce the most WCG Bionic Points at the end of the day.

Lets not start at how badly my Xeon is pwning a dual FX system. And a Yorkie with twice the cores of a AMD counterpart will win regardless of how well phenom arch is setup. And i highly doubt phenom's clock/performance is 2x yorkie.

You do realize that Yorkfield's are quad core, not octo, yes?

Yorkfield vs. Kentsfield Benchmarks

 

[Amaroque]

That's great news, but if IPC is the same Intel will win anyway. Intel has HUGE marketing, whilst AMD has little to none.

What do you think the average Joe (95% of buyers) is going to buy? Intel had a crappy, processor with the P4, and still most ppl bought P4 systems anyway.

 

[Regs]

It's not a matter of Intel's marketing. It's a matter of their positioning. They were the only show in town for years and grew into a beast practically over night.

You don't have to have the best product in town when you own more than 3/4 of the consumer and business markets.

The reason why people think AMD's marketing is so bad is that they really only have one market segment and that's the highly lucrative enterprise and server markets. And trust me, they did enough conventions and forums with them while shutting out the consumer market completely.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Regs
It's not a matter of Intel's marketing. It's a matter of their positioning. They were the only show in town for years and grew into a beast practically over night.

You don't have to have the best product in town when you own more than 3/4 of the consumer and business markets.

The reason why people think AMD's marketing is so bad is that they really only have one market segment and that's the highly lucrative enterprise and server markets. And trust me, they did enough conventions and forums with them while shutting out the consumer market completely.

They owned the markets because they owned the fab capacity to supply them. Every 4 out of 5 computer purchasers weren't about to go without a computer simply because there were only enough non-P4 chips to supply 20% of the computers with X2's.

Until AMD has enough fabs to approach the capacity of supplying 50% of the market with its products, at any price or performance, Intel is destined to own the market majority. It is mathematically illogical to otherwise.

 

[undeclared]

I need to mention this before everyone says "oh amd is crap nobody wants it"

It was never about you and I, or pretty much anyone on this forum.

AMD lives off laptops, and brand name desktops. They do not live off the system builder nearly as much (unless you mean a LOT of system builders combined)..

AMDs will still sell X2s for a long time, and they will still sell via various manufacturers. (Dell as an example)

I really think that Barcelona will beat C2D's hands down, quad core will be just as affordable as intel's quad core, and the GPU architecture they set out to make will be complete when it comes out.

That is, the GPU not being on the PCI express bus at all, but in a CPU-like socket.

This is what I hope happens, because I by far prefer competition to no competition.

2007 with Intel and AMD Competing: Quad cores, talk of octo cores

2007 with Intel ONLY: Intel is proud to announce their AMAZING, ASTOUNDING 3 gigahertz processor. Yes, folks, it's here.

 

[manowar821]

Intel fanboys much?