Aaah good to know...
I'm gonna check out this podcast later to see what the maker of the movie is all about..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jmDNZ1Tho8
will do chris, just packed my hash pipe as I have a few hours before work.
edit- that was before I clicked the link and realized it was Zeitgeist. Yeah, that's movie is meant to do that. It's meh imo, tries to be smarter than it is and to much conspiracy theory thrown around.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Yea that's the problem. This is obviously something our generation (<30) has to figure out, how to fix the current broken system of today? It's hard to fix a corrupt system by means of that corrupt system...
I think one problem is that it's really difficult for older people to recognize that we are so massively different from where they were at the same age(the mental development of the 20 year old today vs the 20 year of old of 1980). We are so much more aware, yet they still think they can treat us as if we're morons, continuing to hide, lie, cover up,manipulate. That may have worked before, where the only information outlets were tv news and newspapers(christ...), but that shit aint flying anymore.
The internet and technology has made such an impact on our consciousness, that I think we are completely different people, with different priorities and values. But as long as they keep a stranglehold on this system, we're going to keep going in this retro direction of running things.
I completely disagree. You are the same stupid and ignorant 20 year old's as I was when I was that age 20 years ago. Our methods of attaining information might have been different, but they were still effective. We were outraged, we sung songs about how we were not going to take it, how we would be different, how we would change the system into our New World Order.
The problem is that almost no one cares. A few might gather and try to make changes. But The-Powers-That-Be can freely ignore them, because they have almost no influence. If they manage to cause enough of a disturbance then the powers can safely use violence to silence them since it is illegal to protest too vehemently. Because no one will care enough to do anything about it. Just see how much good the Occupy Wall street movement did, and that is by far the largest protest America has seen since the Vietnam war.
To compare any older methods of communicating information with the internet, to me, is massively underrating what a remarkable outlet the internet has become. A 13 year old armed with a cell phone is capable of more information than any man pre internet.
The information means little when you can't effectively do anything with it. That is the real key. The information is out there, but it is buried in a mountain of pictures of cats.I think to say the powers that be can squelch a disturbance today the way the could 30 years ago is naive. Information can be passed in an instant, congregating groups can be done instantly.
Problems at a certain location? Send a tweet instantly to potentially millions of people to change route.
The Occupy Movement, I think, is just the beginning and look at how much bs was exposed in regards to police actions.
I'm assuming you're talking about the late 60's when you talk about songs and a new world order.
Well that took a massive shift of consciousness in the form a psychedelics, but this time the internet can't be made illegal with a signature. If any censorship occurs in the form of SOPA or whatever, the outrage will be incredible. The internet is a runway train that can't be stopped, the missing link the people of the 1960's needed.
This still remains the single best statement of Liberty I have encountered:
The information means little when you can't effectively do anything with it. That is the real key. The information is out there, but it is buried in a mountain of pictures of cats.
But nothing happened! They police got away with it, and they will next time as well.
Simply put, you have all this information but no one cares.
No, I'm talking about the 80-90's. We did the same thing. We protested, we sang songs, we had sit-ins and rallies. We held hands across America, and tried to tell people we were the world, one people. There was famous musicians that did large concerts to feed the hungry. There was a war we didn't want, Presidents we couldn't trust (read my lips!) and evil corporations polluting our world. None of this was new then, and we lost worst then they did in the 60's.
Do you really believe that?
The problem has never been getting the information out there. It has always been getting enough people to care enough to put their own lives and livelihoods on the line to do something about it.
For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals
Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination
We learned to talk
There's a silence surrounding me
I can't seem to think straight
I'll sit in the corner
No one can bother me
I think I should speak now
I can't seem to speak now
My words won't come out right
I feel like I'm drowning
I'm feeling weak now
But I can't show my weakness
I sometimes wonder
Where do we go from here
It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure we keep talking
Why won't you talk to me
You never talk to me
What are you thinking
What are you feeling
Why won't you talk to me
You never talk to me
What are you thinking
Where do we go from here
It doesn't have to be like this
All we need to do is make sure we keep talking
Why won't you talk to me
You never talk to me
What are you thinking
What are you feeling
Why won't you talk to me
You never talk to me
What are you thinking
What are you feeling
I feel like I'm drowning
You know I can't breathe now
We're going nowhere
We're going nowhere