Photography and digital art

[DrPizza]

Where do you guys think the line is drawn (probably a very fuzzy line) when a photograph goes from photo to digital art? I really started thinking about this when looking at a particular thread in OT. ie. At what point does someone go from being an outstanding photographer to an outstanding photoshopper?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Where do you guys think the line is drawn (probably a very fuzzy line) when a photograph goes from photo to digital art? I really started thinking about this when looking at a particular thread in OT. ie. At what point does someone go from being an outstanding photographer to an outstanding photoshopper?

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[troytime]

I like to think of photography AS an art, but abstract or surreal effects from digital or film manipulation produce something other than a 'photograph'

 

[corkyg]

Any answer is purely subjective - it is all in the eye of the beholder.

 

[DrPizza]

Didn't Art Wolfe get lambasted about a decade ago for too much photoshopping, taking away from the realism of his wildlife photography?

Is the line moving more and more toward the electronic end?

The thread that made me think about this question came from referred to pictures here His work is excellent; I love his "pictures."

If you happen to look at that site and look at the dolphin picture... suppose he actually took the picture at SeaWorld and just cut and pasted the dolphins to the background in the photo... Or perhaps he took two separate photos of dolphins at separate times and combined elements of both into that one picture... Is it wildlife photography? Or wildlife art?

p.s. no phone call today means 7 more hours of labor on the boat @$70 per hour, deducted from the camera budget... on top of the cost of a long block... and, still waiting to hear about the lower unit

 

[Zenmervolt]

The instant you do more than noise reduction, color correction (including tint, hue, contrast, color temperature, levels, etc), exposure correction (brightness, exposure, etc), correction of scratches/dust, or cropping. I might be convinced that cloning out minor things like power lines is acceptable too.

But I come from a background of shooting slides, so my tendency will probably always be that a photograph is as "straight out of the camera" as possible. It's unfortunate that digital, unlike slide film, requires so much additional correction after the shot. In terms of simply creating the photograph, slides are almost infinitely superior to digital IMO. Unfortunately storage of slides and sharing of same is a royal pain, and digital is wonderful for both.

ZV

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
The instant you do more than noise reduction, color correction (including tint, hue, contrast, color temperature, levels, etc), exposure correction (brightness, exposure, etc), correction of scratches/dust, or cropping. I might be convinced that cloning out minor things like power lines is acceptable too.

But I come from a background of shooting slides, so my tendency will probably always be that a photograph is as "straight out of the camera" as possible. It's unfortunate that digital, unlike slide film, requires so much additional correction after the shot. In terms of simply creating the photograph, slides are almost infinitely superior to digital IMO. Unfortunately storage of slides and sharing of same is a royal pain, and digital is wonderful for both.

ZV

i agree with ZV, basicially anything that you cant do in a darkroom be it color or B&W pushes images past straight photography

however there are a few exceptions

Jerry Uelsmann is one of them
http://www.uelsmann.net/

he does all of what he does in a traditional black and white darkroom, the man is just amazing, he was "photochopping" before photoshop even existed