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AMCRambler

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It'd be great if they figured out a way to use dash cam footage to issue traffic violations. They wouldn't even need to be attached to fines. Simply, "we were given a 1 minute video of you impeding traffic in the left lane. You weren't passing. 2 points have been added to your license. At 10 points, you lose your license for being a shitty driver."
That's fine, as long as you also upload the minute before and minute after, showing your speed readout. It is always speeders that have a problem with someone in the left. A problem they themselves have created.
 

olds

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How they are actually set or how they are supposed to be set? From what I see they are mostly set by politics and revenue as opposed to how traffic engineers would actually set them if they were in charge.
It's called 85 Percentile. They survey speeds and set them to what 85% of the vehicles are driving.

On another note.
Many freeways in California were designed for 70 MPH. Just because they set the speed limits to 55 to conserve fuel, doesn't meant that speeds over 55 are unsafe.

Yet another note.
Ramps are (mostly) designed so one can get to freeway speed before merging.
 

pauldun170

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Decades ago, when I was first learning to drive truck, it was ass-plained like this:

First of all, there is NO SUCH THING as a "fast lane." You're required by law to not exceed the posted speed limit...but, of course, nowadays, that's more of a suggestion than an actual law...

Modern highways in the US of A were designed to be used in this way:

On a two lane (each direction) roadway, the outside (#2) lane is for normal traffic...entering the roadway, exiting the roadway, normal driving. The INSIDE (#1) lane is for passing slower traffic, traffic that's exiting the roadway, traffic that's trying to merge onto the roadway, plus, it's used to have room to move over for vehicles that are turning, emergency vehicles on the shoulder, etc.

On a roadway that has 3 or more lanes in each direction, the farthest outside lane is for vehicles that are slower than the normal flow of traffic, (theoretically the posted limit...but...) over-sized vehicles, including large trucks, for vehicles that are about to exit the roadway or vehicles that are merging onto the roadway.
The center lane(s) are for through traffic. Folks who are NOT planning to exit anytime soon.
The far inside lane (#1) lane is strictly for passing folks who are driving slower than the normal flow of traffic, for whatever reason. Of course, even in that lane, you're restricted to driving the posted limit...

In MANY states, larger vehicles (usually 3 axles or more such as semi-trucks, very large motorhomes, (3 axles) even cars/pick-up trucks pulling trailers of any kind) are limited both in applicable speed limit as well as the lanes in which they're permitted to drive.


Once you read this, most other posts just seem like brats whining trying to dig up excuses for the way they drive. That and come up with some nonsense about "those other drivers" who are obviously lesser people.

While I do say "most", definite free pass to those who live in areas where it really is common to find people who drive below posted speed limits in passing lanes.
 

AMCRambler

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Self driving cars will solve this idiotic discussion once and for all. They will also drive the speeders crazy I am sure. The reason they speed is they have this imagined urgency in what they do. Probably late for work or some appointment and so they blame anyone impeding their ability to speed as a road hog. Reality is they caused their situation. Self driving cars are going to drive the speed limit and obey all traffic laws. Doesn't matter what time you get to your destination. Things are gonna be so great with self driving vehicles. Can't wait!
 

Jumpem

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Self driving cars will solve this idiotic discussion once and for all. They will also drive the speeders crazy I am sure. The reason they speed is they have this imagined urgency in what they do. Probably late for work or some appointment and so they blame anyone impeding their ability to speed as a road hog. Reality is they caused their situation. Self driving cars are going to drive the speed limit and obey all traffic laws. Doesn't matter what time you get to your destination. Things are gonna be so great with self driving vehicles. Can't wait!

In the future, hopefully cars will have cameras that read the speed limit signs and govern the car to that speed. The Q7 already does similar with its cruise control.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
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in the future, hopefully cars will drive themselves and nobody will be allowed to drive

i think this will prevent about 40,000 deaths per year in the US
 

Darwin333

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I refuse to move over if I am going exactly 10 mph over speed limit and especially if I am going through a construction zone with cameras.

So you are cool with speeding and impeding traffic but you can't be the slightest bit courteous to other drivers?
 

Linux23

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why is it so fucking hard to move over to faster moving traffic? traffic would flow so much better if they would just send out traffic drones, track these left lane hogs down and snap a picture of their license plate number, then send the police directly to their house to rip up their license. your privileges would get reinstated after 90 days and after you've completed safety classes.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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Pretty much. I don't hog the left lane. But if I am going the speed limit no one has reason to pass either.

I am starting to think that people like you are just jealous that people like me can and do speed and we get away with it while still being safe and courteous drivers.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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Of course they are set to generate revenue. It still doesn't mean you are allowed to exceed them.

You should thank him for keeping your taxes lower than they otherwise would be since that revenue will come from someone else if it just disappeared overnight.
 

Jumpem

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I am starting to think that people like you are just jealous that people like me can and do speed and we get away with it while still being safe and courteous drivers.

It is two things. I don't want to get pulled over. I generally believe that lower highway speed limits are safer.
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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No!

in Germany...

It's douchenozzels espousing their civic duty to "police" the speeders in the left hand lane causing issues, not the speeders.


Having lived in Germany i can say that comparing the autobahn laws to US Interstate highway laws is not even a fair comparison.

grid lock is gridlock, doing 10mph in all 4 lanes is the norm in denver. i cant go any faster than the guy in front of me and the guy in front of him and the guy infront of him...
 

OutHouse

Lifer
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Meh...if I'm passing the traffic in the right lane, I will continue driving in the left lane until I can move over without having to get behind another slow driver. Doesn't matter if I'm going 56 in a 55...or even 55 in a 55... (or 72 in a 70) As long as I'm actively passing the slower traffic, I will remain in the #1 lane.

Just because you want to drive 20 mph faster than me, doesn't mean I should (or will) move over for you if it means I'm stuck behind a slow driver and a line of cars in the #1 lane. (and that's 100% within the law)

I have no want, need, nor desire to be a "traffic regulator," I don't really give a shit how fast you drive as long as you don't endanger me...but neither will I inconvenience myself for you.

this. and the asshat who is riding my bumper can expect me to slow down so im bearly overtaking the right lane but still passing.
 

Darwin333

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the only people who need to go more than 10 mph over the speed limit are emergency vehicles

That wasn't the question and are you some sort of law enforcement responsible for policing moving violations? If so pull the speeder over, if not hogging the left lane is proven to be hazardous so trying to police them yourself endangers everyone around you.
 

natto fire

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in ohio, as long as you're going the speed limit in the left lane, you're fine. they tried to change that law a couple years ago, but thankfully it got shot down.

so that means people driving the speed limit in the left lane aren't breaking the law, but people who are speeding are. it's quite clear.

still, i only use the left lane to pass, because maniacs who want to go 80+ will almost rear end me if i spend very much time in it.

i liked driving to my previous job a lot more, because i could get there by taking all 2-lane country roads, and largely avoid these maniacs.


You obviously do not drive much in Ohio. These "maniacs" you speak of are just trying to use the passing lane for it's intended purpose. I have noticed that most Ohioans pass on the right because people like you are clogging the left lane to try to prevent us "maniacs" from passing slower traffic. The numerous "Keep right except to pass" signs, probably paid for through speeding tickets, do not deter you people. I know you said you try to keep right, but I kind of doubt that, as there is obvious friction between the maniacs who are speeding, and yourself who probably doesn't even take the 5 over liberty we all have here. We finally got 70 MPH speed limits, and I have gone by several Highway patrolmen at 80 MPH with zero repercussions. I use my signals and try to use my brakes as little as possible. Some days on my commute I wonder if I am the only Ohioan who realizes that brake lights are the last thing you want to see on a controlled access freeway. I do have a manual transmission, and engine braking is easier than with a slushbox, though.
 

natto fire

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It's called 85 Percentile. They survey speeds and set them to what 85% of the vehicles are driving.

On another note.
Many freeways in California were designed for 70 MPH. Just because they set the speed limits to 55 to conserve fuel, doesn't meant that speeds over 55 are unsafe.

Yet another note.
Ramps are (mostly) designed so one can get to freeway speed before merging.

I drive a car. I keep experiencing a guy I call truck douche. Truck douche is adamant about getting to the head of the pack to the on - ramp in my morning commute. It has a yellow sign advising 30 MPH on the ramp. I do at least 50, as it helps with merging speed. The problem comes when truck douche has to shoot to the head of the pack, cut everyone off, and then proceed down the ramp at 20MPH, with minimal acceleration at the base of the ramp. I get it that you are driving an obnoxiously pig of a vehicle to transport yourself to work, but why not use that big engine to at least accelerate to freeway speeds by the end of the ramp, so us normal people don't have to blast by you at 70MPH in 4th gear while you are still scared to signal your lane change.
 

Brian Stirling

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In many places the highway patrol is pretty strict with speeders until rush hour then they stand well back. Lot's of study has shown that when the traffic volume reaches a critical level the traffic then slows down dramatically and you get stop-and-go conditions. Under high traffic conditions it's better for everyone to drive faster as that increases the critical point.

So, in many places it's following the speed limit that causes huge delays, consumes vastly more fuel and creates greatly more pollution AND increase the accident, injury and death statistics.

All you fucks pretending to be good citizens by hogging the left lane at the speed limit are responsible for millions of lost man-years, billions of tons of pollution and thousands of additional dead people -- you should be ashamed of yourselves!


Brian
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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You obviously do not drive much in Ohio. These "maniacs" you speak of are just trying to use the passing lane for it's intended purpose.

lol, i drive in ohio exclusively like 50 weeks out of the year

i usually go 67-68 in the next-to-left lane (4 lanes of traffic, 60 mph limit). occasionally i'll get in the leftmost just to get around someone going 60 or so.

but about every week i'll have someone going 85 or 90 come up out of nowhere while i'm going around someone in the left lane, and either 1) almost hit me and tailgate from 10 feet behind, or 2) dive over to the right 2 lanes in an attempt to get around while still maintaining bizarre levels of speed.

why can't these people just wait for a minute for me to get over? why must they maintain such levels of speed nonstop? why can't they slow down for a short period of time and not follow me at distances yielding a reaction time in the milliseconds?
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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why is it so fucking hard to move over to faster moving traffic? traffic would flow so much better if they would just send out traffic drones, track these left lane hogs down and snap a picture of their license plate number, then send the police directly to their house to rip up their license. your privileges would get reinstated after 90 days and after you've completed safety classes.

I'd be fine with that as long as it also applied to the asshats who seem to think they're entitled to exceed the posted speed limits...

(gawd-knows...they'd have visited my house every day when I was commuting)
 
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